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... the third party's weapon is not a self loading rifle but his ability without force or threats to persuade both sides to avoid violence and settle their differences by peaceful means ... - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality. - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

I archive my talk page when it gets longer than is preferable. You should too!

Stop! Engage brain! Are you looking for the Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board?

I confuzzled :D[edit]

I don't know where to write to yah posts. :) --PaxEquilibrium 18:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey man[edit]

Hi Francis. But weren't you an admin? -- Szvest Ω Wiki Me Up ® 14:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh man! Well, at the end it is a wise idea if you feel ok w/ it. -- Szvest Ω Wiki Me Up ® 14:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help with Ataturk[edit]

Hello, there's some debate going on at the Ataturk page about a criticism section - currently there is none. I've seen you edit some articles before and saw you were on the mediation cabal, interested in checking it out? Currently the page is blocked for all editors after lots of reverts and such. Thanks. --AW 17:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! That was fast. The "Suggestion" part above that has been the subject of the most debate. --AW 17:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


See [1]. Jahangard 07:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See the rest of discussion. Isn't this [2] an unjustified personal attack? Jahangard 09:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, look at an old related discussion [3]. Jahangard 07:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its kind of silly to have it in the Category for Asian people stubs. If anything it should be in Tajikistan people stubs or Central Asian people stubs.

There is no such category, as you would know if you had been following the debates on both Tajik-bio-stub and this, its successor, at WP:SFD and WP:WSS/P. But you haven't been following those debates - only seeing those partys of them that Jahangard has pointed you to - so you won't know the decision reached at the first of them, which was to have it at the perfectly sensible Cat:Asian people stubs until such time as it grows to the threshold required for its own stub category, at which point it will logically be moved to the currently non-existent Cat:Tajikistani people stubs. Jahangard seems to think that the template points at Category:Asian people, which has thousands of articles. it doesn't - it points to Category:Asian people stubs, which has 131 articles, already towards the lower end of the optimim size for a stub category, as explained at WP:STUB. Currently, there are far too few stubs for such a separate category to be considered for either central asian people stubs or for Tajikistani people stubs; creating the former would leave Asian people stubs with well below the optimum number of stubs, creating the latter would lead to a category with only some 25 stubs (60 is regarded as the minimum requirement for stub categories). This would all have been clear to you if you had taken time to follow the discussions and check the guiding principles used for stub categories, rather than simply reverting my attempts to make this template conform to the decisions reached at WP:SFD in October. Please, in future, check out all the facts relating to an issue before leaping to the defence of someone who is trying to unilaterally overturn a decision taken less than a month ago. Grutness...wha? 09:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

unilaterally overturn a decision taken less than a month ago?!! [4] has nothing to do with Category:Asian people stubs and its inclusion in that template. My edit didn't overturn any result of that discussion. Also, being a sysop doesn't give you the previledge to label other users as vandals (without a reasonable justification). Jahangard 10:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I said...It is kind of silly to have them in that Category.

Not silly at all. Standard stub-sorting practice, in fact. If there are not enough stubs for a separate category, then the template is upmerged into whatever is the most appropriate higher category. Since tajikistan is undoubtedly in Asia, then stubs on Tajikistan people are categorised both as Tajikistan stubs and as Asian people stubs. It's a system which works very well with very very few complaints (in fact, in the two years I've been stub-sorting, this is to my knowledge the first complaint about upmerged categories I've come across. Grutness...wha? 10:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

However... if you note my response on J's page,

Difficult one. While I can understand their point of view (it isn't worth having a stub type for only a few articles), I think this is more of a problem of systemic bias rather than "not enough" (e.g. I'm certain there are over 60 notable Tajiks). Perhaps we should just get on creating Tajik people stubs until we have enough for a category? - Francis Tyers · 08:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If you note my response on WP:WSS/P, you'll see this is pretty much what i suggested too: If you can find another 30-35 stubs which can be marked with this template, then there will be no problem creating such a category - but until there are that many, directing it to the larger categories is a more sensible thing to do. Grutness...wha? 10:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BTW, since Jahangard seems more intent on yelling at me than at trying to get a few more articles, I've been making a few myself. You might like to see whether you can expand the barely-one-line stubs I've made on Ismoil Talbakov, Abduhalim Ghafforov, Amir Qoraqulov, Olimzon Boboyev, and Davlat Ismonov. Five down, 28 to go... Grutness...wha? 10:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And thats 60. Could you advise the next course of action please?

Already done. I've updated the information at WP:WSS/P. With that many stubs, a separate category is now both viable and appropriate. The debate should still be allowed to run for a while before creation - officially it's supposed to run a week, but under the circumstances, that will probably be reduced. Expect to see a category sometime very soon. Grutness...wha? 11:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the help.

Any time. Sorry to have been so grumpy! And now, since it's about half past midnight here, I think I'll call it quits for the night... Grutness...wha? 11:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please go back and correct your articles. Category:Tajikistani politicians and only wikify Communist party of Tajikista Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They should look like Dzhabar Rasulovich Rasulov. the first secretary if not capitalized is misleading and makes it look like they were the first leader of the party. It should be First Secretary as it is a title . Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hola como estas mi amigo? Mi nombre es Ernst Stavro Blofeld, James Bond?. Vivo en un volcano en Japan!. Actualmente Gales. yes we should have an article named First Secretary of the Communist Party of Tajikistan linked to and from the main Communist Party of Tajikistan. You could state that it is a title of the party stae what it involves etc. Then you can list all of the politicans you have started to link it together. I think it is great you are going through Tajik politicians -it makes wikipedia less English centred and more global. I suggest you set up that article now Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC) Good luckReply[reply]


U iz looking cool man! DO you play guitar like myself? I play stuff like Hendrix and Joe Satriani and [Aerosmith]]. I play along with the dvds note for note! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have about twenty guitars in my house five are mine and 15 are my dads. I have a Fender Stat sky blue. Fender Telecaster royal purple, a Gibson Les Paul Epihpone Sunburst like (Slash) a Yamaha electro acoustic and a Tanglewood acoustic. I recently bought a Fender 200 Watt concert amp of ebay for £250! Usaully they are like £900! My dad even has like a mandolin and ukeleles and a sitar!
I know a musician when I see one. I tend to like you know your more classic Rock like Def Leppard and Whitesnake don't laugh and Led Zeppelin and that. I do like a bit of punk green day, blink 182 and the Sex Pistols and a bit of death metal Korn Slipknot but only in small doses a bit dark and heavy for me. I can almost play the Live in San Francisco Satriani dvd fully but some of his riffs are so difficult I do miss a note or two on the tapping parts. Steve Vai also is cool. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have heard of Opeth I think I saw them play in a Scandinavia Rock Festival on cable a year or two ago. they are great. I too like heavy metal but with emotion.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've seen Def Leppard four times! Heavy metal with emotion . I don't know whether you like them My sister has every album from On Through the Night to present stuff. They are amazing live. Hendrix is probably one of my heroes though. Nuts 60s stuff. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mm. I don't know have had so many great songs. I dont know if you have seen Rock Star (film) . The band on it steel dragon was modelled on Def Leppard and Judas Priest. The film also starring jennifer Aniston had a few leppard songs on it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Run to the hills baby yeah they rock. Leppard is very similar to these. How nuts is Ozzy osborne? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah you should definately buy the film. try and pick a cheap one off of ebay or something. See Steel Dragon. it is modelled on leppard. Where do you live anyway? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nice to finally find a cool wikipedian. Some of the users on here are way too serious and really suck. e.g User:gene Nygaard,.What a knob!! Nice speaking to u anyway. keep in touch and I may help you with Tajikistan some time or other. Its my day off today and I am just lounging around on my ass! I am currently concentrating on old films and actors from imdb which are about 0.0001% covered on wikipedia. See ya. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh yeah I absolutely agree with you. Just because it is english wikipedia doesn't mean it has too revolve around England and the United States. Wikipedia is alreasdy pretty impressive in places but if you think of everything that exist or has existed your looking at 1,000,000,000 articles plus. Recently I have been doing work on Finnish film. Finland has a major film industry of its own and many of the films are released in countries like ours and America in English but it is extremely poorly covered and in we of course know nothing about them. e.g Paha maaWikipedia needs to look at the planet as a whole from the perspective of different people -there are always diffrent ways at looking at the world. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah to be honest with you what got me started on it is that something led me to a Finnish actor I think I was categorizing it for someone else and I saw his filmography. There was like 200 films on there all with red links and it made wikipedia look really crap. Then I checked out the Internet Movie Database on category Finland and you'll see the vast majority and of film in general is totally missing. And I thought wow. All the info of it was missing. and then you look at Category:American actors and it dawns on you how Anglo American/English wikipedia is. - how completely one sided it is. Even if they are just stubs I figure articles like Timo Koivusalo and the quite fit Pamela Tola help out. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey see I have just looked at Timo Koivusalo. I only wrote the first sentence and his filmogrpahy. Some finnish wikipedian has written all of it! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am also very interested in Tibet. I did quite a lot of work a few months back on some monasteries such as starting Shalu Monastery, Ramoche Temple, Tashilhunpo and 95% of the owrk on the great Potala Palace is mine. Very little of Tibet was covered on wikipedia so I expanded it a little. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also i am gradually working on Seven Years in Tibet and trying to make it a featured article. I am about half way through it.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks mate that means a lot to me. I don't know about the Potala but I know I can make Seven years into a good articles even a feature. I ought to concentrate on it really. I am about half way though the film itself but I need to complete it all ,I have a book on it so I could have a paragraph comparing the book and the film and I also plan a detailed parapraph on the filming of it by Jean Jacques Annaud. At present the section from Film synopsis to Controversy cover every part of the film so far!Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

THe end result should be three or four times longer than at present. Do you reckon I should go for it. and add citations but most of it is from my mind! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I had proposed moving this titles long time ago and there is no objection (see their talk pages). Could you please move them to Khorugh and Qizilbash. Jahangard 21:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I see you have finished your MA. Now, take a deep breath and move on to the next step. -- Donald Albury 00:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


HI there is also an [[5]] (Armeniapedia). I know you worked on moderation of some issues. I am wondering if you can change your opinion on [6]. Since you are reasonable person. I support Armeniapedia and WikIran as well. Thanks for your help. --alidoostzadeh 03:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

HI it is not about putting such articles on wikipedia more than introducing an encyclopedic work..--alidoostzadeh 01:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Politics of Transnistria again[edit]

Thanks Francis, for your thoughts about Politics of Transnistria article. The reason I asked you to mediate the dispute between me and Mauco was that previously he wrote about you [7] "Francis Tyers is a better wikipedian than most of us". I considered that he will accept your thoughts as a neutral person, however it seems he is accepting your opinions only when it fits with his agenda. He again removed from the article the information about the closure of Communist Party office in Transnistria and he obtained article's protection. In talk page you can see that he was the only one against this inclusion, and 4 wikipedians considered the inclusion relevant (me, you, Dpotop and TSO1D). I don't know what to do in this situation, maybe you can advise me, as having more experience in Wikipedia. Did Mauco have veto rights in Wikipedia about Transnistria-related articles? The community is considering relevant the inclusion of the information about the closure of Communist party office, only Mauco oppose, should the community accept Mauco's demand? I am requesting your help for unprotecting the article and including the information about Communist Party office closure.--MariusM 13:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Dear Francis, i always read before i revert. a line above is written Slavic speakers were encouraged to change their Slavic surnames to Greek sounding surnames. in the line i reverted it says other names simply reverted into Greek... returning to.... why isn't there any note that those 'Zografos' were previously slavicised (even as a possibility)? in that way it seems as if all of them had to (?) change their surnames. btw, since Zografos is a popular surname in Greece, north, west, south, everywhere..., i would like to see a clear reference for that-i wouldn't like the readers to believe that a greek by that surname was previously a so-called "Macedonian" or whatever... Regards (see my comment in respective talk). Hectorian 18:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And see again:) Hectorian 18:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The earth was round etc[edit]

You are kidding, right? I mean about comparing flat earth with 'Macedonian'; or perhaps you are collecting answers to bizzar suggestions. Why not?! But just in case... If we are quoting people stating that the earth is flat, we would use the same words. For the Mac lang we have no worthy quotes of a "Macedonian language" before 1940s. Those dialect could have been standardised in any number of 'new' languages, as well as into Serbian or Bulgarian. For that matter, the Slavic idioms of Greece could also be standardised into a more Hellenic new language.
By the way, when was English officially standardised? Make sure you publish the results of your research when you find out.
Retroactive comes from the French and is a compound of Latin terms. Politis 19:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Francis, I am having trouble following your 'reasoning'. You wrote to me, "Hi, you seem to have got the impression that before a language is standardized, it cannot exist. If that were so, there would be no English language.” Then you go on an concur with me that it was never officially standardized. Such contradictory (mischevous?) reasoning leaves too many loose ends, in fact, rather like the reasoning that distorts and re-invents history for using retroactively the term Macedonia (what I would call, the ‘Da Vinci Code’ school of history).

You say that the term has been updated. By who? There are probably more people who disagree with the update. What happened to them? An updated term is a suitable transition so long as it does not re-write the past. For instance, vacuum cleaner became Hoover, portable music gadget became a walkman. That is fine. But we need to take stock of the consequences and of historiagraphy when we suggest updating terms such as Bulgarian, Macedonian (meaning Greek or the ethnic ‘salad’ of the region of Macedonia), South Slavic dialects, etc… into an ethnically purified ‘Macedonian’. In fact, it would have been fine to do so, if the descriptive term was instantly recognizable and contextualized by its users/consumers. But it is not; it usurps and even sends off the Slav Macedonians of Fyrom/Rom into incoherent directions. That is why we need to add qualitatives next to it: Greek Macedonia, Republic of Nova Makedonija, Slav Macedonian, Bulgarian Macedonian, etc…

Finally, it is churlish to "piss off” people on any grounds and hardly :-). Politis 15:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tajik alphabet[edit]


Why did you delete the new samples [8]? Jahangard 19:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moldovan upset :)[edit]

You said some things about me on Talk:Politics of Transnistria#Ok, I'll bite. I left you a message there asking you to clarify what it is about, or retract. I'm only talking about your statements concerning me. Dpotop 21:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry, but you failed to explicitly retract. Dpotop 09:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. MustTC 18:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

...has now been created :) Thanks for all the help with getting it up to a reasonable size! Grutness...wha? 22:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't erase the historical points, please![edit]

Please, Francis, I am a Macedonian trying to say something relevant to the language I'm speaking at home. Why on earth deleting the relevant facts and leaving only the irrelevant ones from the Macedonian and Serbian PoV's? They have thier right to be there, it's bloody POINT OF VIEW, it does not have to be neither accurate nor impartial! I mean, when we made this article, we put all the disputed facts into this area, just to say to the readers: Hmmm, look what all the different people and propagandas think about one official and lining language. It should be the same with Galician language or so. Let them all say what they sincerely feel. That's why the title stands: Political Views of Macedonian language. Probably there's a bit of truth in every one of them, but they cannot all be trusted. For Christ's sake, I at least am not a nationalist, haha, I tried to create this page to let everybody say what they feel, although there's not many places where you can read so many facts from different historical books from different nations. Even in Wikipedia. Zikica

this is the copy of my letter to VMRO:

look, man, it's not a BS. Source? Krste Misirkov: Za Makedonckite raboti, how more Macedonian should it be? Well, as a person of mixed Shop-Macedonian ancestry, I have my relatives in 3 countries, and they switch nationalities easily, according to the current propaganda. It always amazed me how my grandfather had several last names during his life, without even noticing it. So, I can see you consider yourself a Bulgarian, it's OK. I don't want to precise, although in my birthlist it's written: Serb. I am in a process of obtaining the Bulgarian citizenship, because I also feel Bulgaria as my country. This is a trick of Shop and Macedonian identity: it could be very "multiplied". But to tell you the truth, I would only accept the Bulgarian nationality, for example, I would decline from the Slovenian or some other passport, no matter they are in the EU. It is not a matter of free travel, more like a matter of national feeling. My cousin in Skopje is a fierce VMRO Macedonian nationalist, and he is also in the process. How very strange. He spends days and night in fighting Bulgarians on the Web, but applied for the citizenship. So, I would like to say the following: Tell me which passage from the Macedonian View bothers you, and I will quote it. If anything is wrong, I will be glad to improve it. Greetings! Zhix 17:59, 17:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Your opinion[edit]

Hi Francis. Please let me know your opinion on this. No explanation for revert in talk page. Don't understand what consensus to seek, I asked your intervention exactly for consensus, as I know that previously you were a mediator agreed by Mauco. 4 wikipedians want to put information about Communist Party office closure, I've put the paragraph in your compromise proposal form, but it seems somebody want veto rights on Transnistria related articles on Wikipedia.--MariusM 23:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I just wanted to know a little bit about the photo of Zeb-un-Nissa that you added. Would you please tell me about the book from which you scanned it? It's author, date and place of publication. Thank you Ariana310 12:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Turkish Revenge Brigade[edit]

As per the MoS, please don't wikilink random years, as you did in Turkish Revenge Brigade. Thanks! ShakingSpirittalk 14:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You'll like it[edit]

See User:NikoSilver/Nationality quiz. It was partly inspired by your deleted 'Nationalist test' and the Genographic Project. Enjoy! NikoSilver 13:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Tajik lexicon etc.[edit]

Thanks for letting me know about this. I'll forward this to a guy I know who speaks English, Russian, Arabic, and is learning Tajik. Any plans on using this lexicon for computational purposes? –jonsafari 22:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Tajik[edit]

Sorry, my skills in Tajik are very limited at best. :-( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tajik24 (talkcontribs) 01:14, 30 November 2006

From Evlekis[edit]

Hi. I admit that even now has been a quite a while as I write to you. There is one in Sheppard's Bush called Skaradlija. Until some time ago there was a Spanish theme place where old diasporans would meet and that was La Baraca (Notting Hill). A Greek themed restaurant was open Sunday evenings for Yugoslav functions, that was in Bayswater (El Greko) and in Fulham there is a restaurant behind Sveti Sava church run by Serbs (but that tends to attract only Orthodox people, so very few Slovenes/Croats/Bosniaks etc). Evlekis 17:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When I knew it, it was Sunday evenings at Greko, downstairs a some creepy basement; there was often music. Evlekis 17:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis. I wonder if you could mediate between me and Tigran in the articles Shusha and History of Nagorno-Karabakh. As usual, we kind of cannot reach a consensus, and I would really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance. Regards, Grandmaster 12:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis. These are 2 online Azeri dictionaries I’m aware of: [9]
This is the best one: [10] I hope it helps. Take care. Grandmaster 05:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your reply about feb. 2006...[edit]

see reply on Talk:Standardization. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Stub Blahblahblah[edit]

Hey - I just noticed the to do about Tajikistan bio stubs a while back - let me know if you have any questions about stub related issues in the future; I worked a lot on those project so I know a bunch of the procedures and most of the wikiproject participants. I would be glad to help on those matters. Aelfthrytha 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Somehow I ended up knowing a lot about procedure and who to go to for what approvals in general - if it's an admin / bureaucratic thing, I'm probably your person. Go figure. I thought I was more politically leftist than that, but I can sure work the system. Aelfthrytha 16:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. I noticed that you signed up for WikiProject Anthropology and thought that you might be interested in participating in the Collaboration of the Month. This month's article is Marvin Harris. Thanks. Stilgar135 19:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, there is a little Macedonian-related conflict there and I'd like to invite you to join in. I have just intervened, but the persistence with which the edit war has been waged previously suggests that it will continue in the future as well. I don't think I can handle a long revert war there (I can't afford to spend that much time on Wikipedia), so I hope you can weigh in. Regards, --Anonymous44 22:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Terrible article. Why don't we just AfD the silly thing? Fut.Perf. 22:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not tonight, I'm tired. Fut.Perf. 23:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And what exactly is so terrible about it. It is making any absolute judgements.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


He's emailing every admin btw. And I mean every admin. Anyway. Here is the CheckUser log. This is Deng's very extensive block log. This is the latest AN discussion on Deng. This is my page which lists the socks that Deng has used. And all but one (BigBobcool, which was very obvious) were confirmed by CU. You can also look at Deng's talk page to see some of is behaviors. He's violated every major policy that we have and he's totally unrepetent. I mean. He's still claiming that he doesn't use sockpuppets despite the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary. --Woohookitty(meow) 09:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Btw. His most recent sock was on the 12th. 2 days ago. I can understand appealing an indefinite ban but he's also going right on with violating policy at the same time. I don't think that's the behavior of someone who wants to reform. Just my 2 cents. --Woohookitty(meow) 09:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never explained why I blocked him. Sorry about that. It was for exhausting the community's patience if anything else. If you look at his block log, he's been given numerous chances to reform. And I do mean numerous. I believe he's been blocked more than 10 times. And a couple of times, admins shortened his block to give him another chance. But some of the sockpuppets that he was proven to use via CU (from late September to late October) were actually used when his main account was not blocked. So even when he could've followed a different path and ceased violating policy, he did not do so. So that's the main thing. Just exhausting the patience of the community and the lack of desire to reform. Even know, he's not saying that he's going to change. Quite the contrary. He continually justifies his actions as a "bad admin" acting against him. In the past, it was always other users. So you know, he's been given lots of chances. Lots and lots. And yet here we are again. And I just don't see where suddenly he's going to decide to change when he's made absolutely no moves towards changing. And it's not just sockpuppet use as you can see from his block log. --Woohookitty(meow) 00:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Sorry for being so...windy. :) I do that. --Woohookitty(meow) 09:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't you love it Francis :-)[edit]

User:Woman+man is really not me... (it's most likely Kamikazi2) //Dirak 15:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Labadism, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Labadism. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Pastordavid 16:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Went ahead and merged, if you want to check out Jean de Labadie. Pastordavid 18:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And actually[edit]

I'd really appreciate it if you could help out in containing Deng. Just got informed today that he has a new account called User:Rocketlauncherman. And he's right up your alley. :) Pretty much defines nationalist. User:Pinkgreenvelvet might be Deng as well. He's not even hiding it well at this point. --Woohookitty(meow) 00:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just for more help, the articles he hits the most are Eastern Front (World War II), Battle of Stalingrad, Battle of Kursk and others. His trademark is to claim that other people's numbers are "wrong". He's been beating that drum for a year now. --Woohookitty(meow) 01:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. :) --Woohookitty(meow) 01:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Denial of Armenian Genocide[edit]

This is most probably an ad on the Times given by the Armenian community. Why is it not mentioned under the photo? Instead it just says "published by Times".--Doktor Gonzo 21:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Addition; ok as seen on the hq photo, it actually says on the image it is an ad, I am going to mention it on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doktor Gonzo (talkcontribs)


Sorry for the late reply.. Hmm, there is no substantial difference between the two actually, they are both present tense singular first person. I suppose "sikerim" is a bit stronger, just because there is a small conceptual difference between the two present tenses :) I don't know if I would be able to explain the exact diff, and most Turks wouldn't be able to do so either. It is just one of those things! Cheers! Baristarim 20:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Voting about sibwiki[edit]

Could you please confirm your vote as it is described in Thank you! Voyevoda 20:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this how I confirm? - Francis Tyers · 18:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Speaking about examples the other day, I thought you might be interested in this resurrection... NikoSilver 00:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please do not vandalize my user page by removing content. There is nothing inappropriate about a picture of Alexander or the Vergina sun. I will report you to administators if it happens again. Macedonia 21:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No concensus[edit]

Francis, could you close this on the basis of no concensus. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere (most of the votes in favor of deleting it are from Turkish users while most in favor of keeping it are Armenian users). The easiest solution, in my opinion would be to rename the template to "Former Armenian capitals." Best, Clevelander 12:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, the reason why I have deleted the use of the term Macedonia in this template is because Macedonia is a region, not a state. If you wish to describe the Slavomacedonian national awakening, please do so using a different, less provocative manner for Greek Macedonians.

By using the geographical term to describe only a section of the region's population, you monopolise it only for them, without considering Greek Macedonian perspectives. I think that we must find something else. Have a nice day Kapnisma 09:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, I have seen it and I beleive that this article is an example of cooperation and good faith. Kapnisma 09:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I' ve also seen some minor changes that you have done with the term Slavonacedonians (usage as slur, etc), while I agree with them I'm expecting that you also do the same for the term Macedonian when used to decribe Slavomacedonians (that it is offensive for Greek Macedonians, etc) since you seem to believe in neutrality. Kapnisma 12:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well it does not. Kapnisma 12:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See your talk. - Francis Tyers · 12:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it's OK. Have a nice day, I am happy to have discussed with you Kapnisma 12:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

National awakening of the Macedonia?[edit]

When reverting by BS, at least fix my grammar. //Dirak 20:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for heads up. I added it to my watchlist. I know why people are touchy about this stuff, but I have little patience for the nationalists of any side. What does the disinterested reader need? what reflects the situation at the border/airport/train station? and what reflects the reality of the ordinary people living in those places? For what it's worth, I teach students from Bulgaria, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, and Greece (and Poland, and Russia, and Ukraine, and Iran, and Jordan, and...) (in New York City) Jd2718 01:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit conflict[edit]

I think we edited at the sametime sorry for that.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 14:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Veil fetishism[edit]

You can also express your support at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veil fetishism.--Patchouli 14:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Could you please give me a couple of minutes to add a few sources before reverting again. //Dirak 14:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help needed on racism[edit]

we need to see if racism lives in Israel, i would appreciate if more voices could be heard. I believe under the wiki policy i can request voices on these touchy well protected topics.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New sig[edit]

Having finally found this, I now know why editors keep confusing me with someone else, so I've changed my sig file to hopefully regain my identity. Sheesh - just thought I'd put the word out. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Racovschi and adminship[edit]

Hi, and thank you. On the adminship issue, I'm afraid I'm a little too jumpy and opinionated for the behavior required of an admin. I would also dislike the discipline it requires (such as performing certain tasks I would not bother with myself). But thank you for considering it. Dahn 13:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfAr, Armenian Genocide[edit]

Check the bottom of the talkpage and follow the link. I don't want this to pass now, but if it does, I am prepared. I though you may be interested to give your comment. Fad (ix) 17:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks and new Templates[edit]

Happy new year

Dear Francis, first I should thank you for your comment about User lnag templates I hope a nice and happy holiday for you in Spain for you. I made the other User templates for Tajik Language.

They are:{{User tg-1}},{{User tg-2}},{{User tg-3}}

Happy new year

--Soroush83 14:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nationalist rhetoric aka. Your user page[edit]


Your extreme POV on Your user page is POV (hehe) aka. just saw the change in Your userpage, nice. Also Happy new year, I guess, etc. etc. Best, feydey 23:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Happy New Year[edit]

Happy new year

If You haven't heard already (but yah probably did), Macedonia's also become an EU candidate (and it's waiting acceptance into Europe along with Croatia & Turkey). --PaxEquilibrium 17:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually, I disagree. It's good that they can't enter. They will only bring more problems to the fragile EU and frankly speaking "You" are better off without... well, "us". :) For as neither have those countries fulfilled the standards of European civilization, nor do they deserve to be in Europe (plus, they'll bring a lot of problems).

P. S. I'm not trying to ruin the holidays to myself, I'm just presenting You the reality. :D Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 00:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One word: WAR... --PaxEquilibrium 20:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bulgarian and Romanian nouns[edit]

Hi Francis, as you have an interest in Balkan languages and know significantly more about linguistics than me, could you explain something for me please. Who decides whether a language uses noun cases and how many? The Romanian language article says that Romanian nouns use three cases (nominative/accusative, genitive/dative and vocative), and Bulgarian language says that Bulgarian nouns only distinguish between vocative and everything else. While I have no problem with the Romanian example, I have some trouble accepting what it said about Bulgarian. Greek sources do attribute more cases to Bulgarian nouns. See this example (the masculine singular definite noun "the man" bărbatul/човекът):

Case Romanian Bulgarian
Nominative bărbatul човекът / čovekăt
Genitive/Dative bărbatului на човека / na čoveka
Accusative bărbatul човека / čoveka
Vocative bărbate човеко / čoveko

Bulgarian grammatarians seem to think that the actual noun "man" (човек/čovek) remains unchanged throughout but only the definite article is changing the noun in itself differs only in the vocative case (also, the Bulgarian Wikipedians in my opinion are overly emphasizing the lack of any case other than the vocative and non-vocative in the relevant articles - what's wrong with cases?). But isn't the same happening in Romanian? What is the difference that makes Romanian have three cases, but Bulgarian only two (vocative and non-vocative)? Telex/.../Dirak/Sockul 18:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Greek book I'm speaking of says that "in Bulgarian, the cases are formed with various prepositions" (but shows actualy prepositions in the genitive and dative only! Nominative and accusative are distinguished only in suffix as in the table above) and then they give an example of various nouns (they don't include the vocative in the declension tables - this is not uncommon in Greek books). Maybe you're right though; I have a few books on which also attribute cases to French nouns (e.g. nom: le chien, gen: du chien, dat: au chien...)! I haven't seen any do the same for English nouns yet? :-) Sockul 17:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BTW Fragkiske/Fransiscule ("you would use that in addressing a Francis, in invoking a Francis ... You would use it in speaking to a Francis"), answer this question for me please: is it grammatically correct to say e.g. that book of Francis's was bought by me, and if so, is the "of Francis's" a genitive case (or something left of one)? Sockul 17:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Re this, I had an itch re! Your abusive anonymity could do better things than vandalize its own page! :-) NikoSilver 00:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Translations between other nordic languages[edit]

I made a short summary of our discussion and posted it at our Signpost, Maskinoversettelser fra andre nordiske språk. Jeblad 22:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your unexplained removal of sourced information[edit]

On the Cuban healthcare article, you first removed a critical view without any explanations and then removed this again claiming that Zleitzsen has made comments, which he has not regarding the material. Please explain. Also, in the future, please read the talk page before editing and provide explanations for your edits.Ultramarine 17:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi. It's not. It says "To hell with borders". Grandmaster 19:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I also think it is Ok. The literal translation would sound too offensive. But if you need it, it would be "Siktirsin sərhədlər". Grandmaster 19:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, it would. The current is more polite though. Grandmaster 19:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RCP USA (again)[edit]

I think I've mentioned this before since it keeps flaring up, but there is a debate going on at Revolutionary Communist Party, USA and the associated talk page regarding an external link to an infoshop page critical of the RCP. This is getting really old. I don't really care as much what the outcome is, but I do want this person or someone else to give a good reason to remove it, instead of repeating their same cliche without addressing the criticism of their "justification." Thanks. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 07:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi! just popping by to see how you, and things, are. :) If you're wondering where I've been, well, I can't be bothered with wikipedia lately. The system's getting too big, and inefficient (like governments ;p), and I don't have the time to be a part of it.

Anyway, I got an offer from Queens' College, Cambridge (Maths w/ CompSci)!! :D I have to do the STEP so it's gonna be a busy next few months for me, ah well.

Hope you're OK and unstressed. :)

-- infinity0 18:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LOL! I read that as "OK and undressed". *sigh* --Node 00:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I guess we know what you're thinking about ;) Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 05:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tagik Metawiki Page[edit]

Hey Francis,

I made that page by transliterating the Farsi mainpage on meta into Cyrillic, and replacing the word "forsi" with "tojiki". I was pleased to find out (from this diff) that I wasn't too far off. That's also how I created the page "Wikipedia" and "Encyclopedia" on tg.wp, iirc. --Node 00:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hehehe, thanks. I took four semesters of Arabic, but that's not why I did well. I remember you had a little page for transliterating Farsi... I always used the Farsi Talking Dictionary. If I looked up the Farsi word in Arabic letters, it returned the equivalent in Latin script as well as the english translation. Thus I could know the vowels, and using Farsi-Tajik vowel equivalents ("â" in Farsi is "o" in Tajik; "o" in Farsi is "u" in Tajik, as well as a few other rules), I was able to convert it into Cyrillic. Unfortunately, the dictionary isn't very "complete", so most of my attempts to transliterate longer, more significant articles were met with much difficulty, sometimes requiring me to look for synonyms and sometimes forcing me to not finish the article.
I imagine it would be possible to make better transliteration software, given copies of documents that are translated in both languages, and then calculating the frequency of each word, and attempting to pair words with similar frequencies and locations within the text (by paragraph or page). There are a few things that make it difficult, like the many compound words Farsi uses (I don't know if Tajik has any of them, I know for a lot they borrow Russian words instead, like the word for encyclopedia), or the fact that written Farsi has suffixes that are written as separate words in Tajik. And the BBC articles in both languages are very nice because they are transliterations (aren't they?), although they don't use diacritics, that could be easily remedied with spellchecking of some sort for all articles before use. --Node 10:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis. I know you might be busy with other issues, but can I ask you to have a look at the dispute we have on the article about Azerbaijan? The article contains some strong claims, which in my opinion receive an undue weight and most importantly are based solely on Iranian and Armenian nationalistic sources, which I believe is not acceptable in accordance with Wikipedia policies. I would appreciate if you could help with resolution of the dispute. Regards, Grandmaster 07:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it. Could you please express your opinion on the talk of the article? The problem is that certain users try to present the views of those people as facts, and not as opinions. It was suggested to do something like this, but not everybody agreed with it. The sources are extremely poor, one of them is called Letter dated 30 April 2001 from the Permanent Representative of Armenia to the United Nations [11]. If I made an edit to the article about Armenia, referring to the official document of Azerbaijan republic, I would be crucified instantly. How come people think that they can use such prejudiced sources in this article? We actually have a separate reasonably sourced article on the name issue, called History of the name Azerbaijan. It was suggested by many, including some Iranian users to provide a link to that article instead of messing up this one with personal interpretations of facts. But that suggestion also falls on deaf ears. I know you have no time for continuous involvement, I just want to get opinions of neutral people on the issue. Grandmaster 10:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks a lot for your contribution. Take care. Grandmaster 11:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Francis. Let me bring to your attention that Grandmaster has systematically tried to sabotage that section with continuous complaints. First it was too long, too wordy, not worded right, etc.. etc... (just look at the history of the article) and all his demands have been met and he keeps coming up with new ones. Now he wants to completely take it out of the article. May I remind you that the information is in the correct place, has been significantly reduced, and has the sources it has because it is not the main article (if you click on the main article, you will see more information). Dr. Atabaki and Dr. Farrokh are two well known and well respected historians who both work for western universities. Neither are nationalists, and Dr. Kaveh Farrokh himself is half Azerbaijani (from Iran) half Ossetian and he was born in Greece! Neither of them support any ideals based on nationalism. Everything they say are based on facts (you can read there books, everything is referenced). Again, these are very respected historians in the field of Iranian history.
Secondly, documents from the Republic of Azerbaijan cannot be compared to those of Armenia or any other nation. The government of the Republic of Azerbaijan supports and is active in historical revisionism. The Azerbaijani "historians", "academics", and even the government, claim some fantastic things, such as Napoleon was a Turk, that Turks have been living in the Middle East for 8 thousand years, and that Zoroastrianism was a Turkic religion, among many many other things. The Azerbaijani president in 1988 even claimed that the nation of Armenia is a "fictitious nation founded on Azerbaijani land". This is ridiculous, as there are maps showing Armenia from the time of the ancient Greeks and Babylonians! Infact, it is the other way around, as Azerbaijan has never been the name for the land of the present day Republic of Azerbaijan. The founder of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (which was established in 1918), admitted that he was mistaken in choosing the name Azerbaijan for his new nation.
The section is small and insignificant and Grandmaster is trying to blow it out of proportion because I assume he doesnt want anyone trying to find information about the Republic of Azerbaijan to know about this huge part of the countries history. This in no way is questioning the legitimacy of the nation, but rather diving into the history of the name and why it was chosen for the country. Notice that the information I am trying to keep in that section is very small, the majority is a quote that Grandmaster himself insists on having in there, instead of in the main article.
Also, I would like Grandmaster to point out these "many" users that say it should be just the link? So far, it has just been you, Alidoostzadeh, and several users who just registered in order to participate in an edit war and who have since been blocked.
Regarding this statement of yours:
"According to Iranians Dr. Kaveh Farrokh and the Dr. Enayatollah Reza, the Bolsheviks re-conquered the Caucasus and kept the name Azerbaijan, in hopes of later adding north western Iran into the Soviet Union [8][9]."
I can bring you two Soviet documents that attest to this, both of them were dispatched before the Soviets actually put their plan into effect and separated Iranian Azerbaijan from Iran in 1946. They describe how the Soviets would send agents into Iran to distort the Azeri's perception of their relation with Azerbaijan SSR, to start propaganda infiltrations to Iran, etc... The Soviets were also the first to introduce the term "Southern Azerbaijan" (referring to Iranian Azerbaijan, which is infact the only area legitimately using the term Azerbaijan, even today), which was part of their campaign of rewriting the history of the Cacuasus to remove Iran's ties with the region. So the statement "According to Iranians Dr. Kaveh Farrokh and the Dr. Enayatollah Reza" is incorrect, because this is not their theory, this is fact.Azerbaijani 23:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And all this stuff comes from Iranian sources, which are not much friendly to Azerbaijan, as they fear that the existence of independent Azerbaijan republic may boost an irredentist movement in Iranian Azerbaijan. Try referring to unbiased sources, which are not related to Iran or Armenia and have no prejudice in this issue. Grandmaster 07:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The declassified Soviet documents come from American sources, and most of the sources used by these two historians are non-Iranian sources. Also, these two historians are very friendly to Azerbaijan, please bring up the evidence to your claims that these sources are a) nationalistic, b) biased, and c) hostile to Azerbaijan. So far, you have not brought up any evidence, you just want everyone to take your word for it, and mind you, making claims without evidence is POV!Azerbaijani 18:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What evidence do you need? The very title of Farrokh’s article “Pan-Turanianism Takes Aim at Azerbaijan: A Geopolitical Agenda” screams about chauvinism of the author. It is nowhere near neutrality. For the millionth time, get neutral sources to support your claims. Grandmaster 19:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That makes no sense, and if thats all the evidence you are going to bring up, its not worth your time, or my time, or Francis' time. The title is so because that is what the book is about. Also, I fail to see how the title screams aboutt he "chauvanism" of the author. He himself is half Azerbaijani! Prove that these sources are not neutral, that is your obligation! Also, you forgot to mention my comment that the two declassified Soviet documents which prove the communist motives were from an American source! Are declassified Soviet documents from American sources biased, chauvanist, and non neutral too?Azerbaijani 19:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Show me those documents and explain what they have to do with the name of Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 14:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They have to do with the Soviets planning to turn all of northern Iran communist by setting up states, one of which was Azerbaijan. I brought up this evidence when you claimed that the communists did not keep the name Azerbaijan for political purposes, in order to bring norther Iran into their influence in the future. I will show you the documents later.Azerbaijani 15:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You did not provide any evidence to support your claim. Moreover, why communists were supposed to change the names of the countries they occupied? They never did that, and the claim is ridiculous. Grandmaster 06:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never said that the Soviets changed anything, they used the term Azerbaijan to their advangtage. Again, the Communists did not have to change anything, because this was done in 1918. Here are the documents:
Source: Source: GAPPOD AzR, f. 1, op. 89, d. 90, ll. 4-5. Obtained by Jamil Hasanli. Translated for CWIHP by Gary Goldberg
(I'm only posting the highlights for now)
Description: Description: The Soviet leadership informs the leadership of the CPAz CC of the decisions taken regarding the need to organize a separatist movement in Northern Iran. The document sets up a step by step plan to insure that the population in Northern Iran can be manipulated to declare independence and join the Azerbaijan SSR.
1. Consider it advisable to begin preparatory work to form a national autonomous Azerbaijan district [oblast’] with broad powers within the Iranian state. At the same time develop a separatist movement in the provinces of Gilyan, Mazandaran, Gorgan, and Khorasan.
2. Establish a democratic party in Southern Azerbaijan under the name “Azerbaijan Democratic Party” with the objective of guiding the separatist movement. The creation of the Democratic Party in Southern Azerbaijan is to be done by a corresponding reorganization of the Azerbaijani branch of the People’s Party of Iran and drawing into it supporters of the separatist movement from all strata of the population.
8. To draw the broad masses into the separatist movement, [we] consider it necessary to create a “Society of Friends of Soviet Azerbaijan” in Tabriz with branches in all regions of Southern Azerbaijan and Gilyan.
13. To finance the separatist movement in Southern Azerbaijan and also to hold elections to the 15th Convocation of the Iranian Majlis; to create in the CC CP(b) of Azerbaijan a special fund of one million foreign-currency rubles (“for conversion into tumans”).
As you cant tell by the numbers, this is a long document, so I just posted some of the highlights. Also, the communist put their plan into affect in 1946, but were later forced to withdraw by the west. So Grandmaster, what do you have to say about this? Francis, I would appreciate a response.Azerbaijani 14:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Where does it say anything about the name? Absolutely irrelevant. You say: the Bolsheviks re-conquered the Caucasus and kept the name Azerbaijan, in hopes of later adding north western Iran into the Soviet Union. Where does your quote say that they kept the name in hopes, etc? Grandmaster 06:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
These sources prove the motive of the Soviets. They used Azerbaijan as leverage and even started using the phrase "South Azerbaijan" as part of their historical revisionism program.Azerbaijani 18:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Francis, your conclusion? I see Grandmaster got to you first, but now that you have heard both sides of the story, and the fact that Grandmaster has not evidence or information backing him up, just his POV, I would appreciate a response of some kind. Thanks a lot and sorry for carrying out this long discussion on your talk page.Azerbaijani 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Once again, the source says nothing about the name. Original research is not allowed here. Grandmaster 06:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here you go:

Here is one Grandmaster, now you have no excuse:

The name Azerbaijan for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become one, this is the reason why the name Azerbaijan was selected (for Arran anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran

Source: Bartold, Soviet academic, politician and foreign office official. See Bartold, V.V., Sochineniia, Tom II, Chast I, Izdatelstvo Vostochnoi Literary, p.217, 1963.Â

Lets see what you come up with this time.Azerbaijani 19:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Francis Tyers, you nominated Heaven of Transnistria for deletion, and it was then deleted by User:Mailer diablo who appears to be on wikibreak right now. It was successfully deleted[12] after it passed a deletion review[13]. The author of the page then created it again on Wikipedia, this time in what he claims is "his" userspace. He now claims that it is a sandbox (falsely, since it does not fit sandbox criteria) and refuses to delete it. He links to it from his main page. When it gets deleted, he immediately restores it.[14] Your intervention is required here, please. He has been warned of the WP:USER infraction but refuses to budge. Delete this article (again) as per the results of the article's deletion review. It has no place in Wikipedia. This is a blatant breach of WP:USER. - Mauco 13:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis, there's a newcomer who's attempting to put together a new page on Macedonian grammar. Could do with some expert assistance. Got some time to help out? Fut.Perf. 10:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi! Today I've nominated the article Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria for a featured article, believing it meets all criteria.

This is the article's third nomination (see the previous ones), and because the previous ones received relatively little attention, I'd like to invite you to voice your opinion about it, be it as a vote or a comment, on the article's nomination page.

Thanks! :) TodorBozhinov 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wally and Osborne is on Funbrain[edit]

  • Comment "The content is not distributed via a medium which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster." - What about Funbrain? Funbrain [15], rank 4,200, serializes this series. EDIT: It has an article: EDIT 2: Also keep in mind that the series once used the title "On the Rocks," and may be more well known via THAT title. WhisperToMe 21:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

images at wikinews[edit]

Did you take wikinews:Image:Russell square police road.JPG, or did you get it from somewhere on the internet. The image currently doesn't have a source, and may be deleted (Which would really suck, as its a very good quality and valuable image). Bawolff 05:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC) (please respond at wikinews:user talk:bawolff, the image description page, or find me on irc at #wikinews-en )Reply[reply]

thank you. that's all I need to know. Bawolff 21:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Well, no, it's not free software, but it's available online. I think the concensus re:dictionary copyrights is that the copyright applies to the particular compilation of words and translations, not to the individual translations themselves, because the translations aren't really any sort of creative work and are information of the sort that is, well, uncopyrightable. Of course, that has no bearing if you don't want to use anything at all that isn't free. You can access it here. --Node 09:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis, havent seen you around any Turkish related articles for a while :)

Can you take a look at Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) please. Dispute over the wording of the Greek scorched earth policy section. Imo, kekrops and hectorian are trying to downplay the signficance of the Greek army setting Anatolia ablaze. I've sourced the statements, but they want to insert "alleged" or "claims" and portray it is a minority view. Please have a look at the discussion when you can, thanks, --A.Garnet 14:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have at least one source (Toynbee) saying the opposite, that it was in fact the Turkish army setting Greek villages in Anatolia ablaze. Your insistence that we accept the claims against the Greeks as indisputable fact is simply unencyclopaedic. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 14:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some sources:

  • "That they did burn and lay waste the land may be taken for granted. The Greeks have claimed military necessity for this, and it would appear that they could plead such necessity if ever it can be pleaded. They certainly had more reason for laying bare the country between themselves and the advancing Khemalists than had our own Sherman on his “March to the Sea.”" George Horton, Blight of Asia.
  • "The British representative in Izmir, Sir Harry Lamb, had warned: "The Greeks have realised that they have got to go but they are decided to leave a desert behind them, no matter whose interests may suffer thereby...In Afyonkarahisa, the Turks were able to put out the fires started by the retreating Greeks. But hundrends of villages and a whole string of market towns - from Usak to Izmir - were burned down." Andrew Mango, Ataturk, p.343.
  • "The retreat lasted a week. The Turkish forces hurried on towards the city, striving to overtake the Greeks before they could decimate all western Anatolia 'by fire and sword'...They pillaged and destroyed and raped and buthchered. 'They went to pieces altogether' as Rumbold recounted to Curzon on the basis of reports from his consul in Smyrna" Patrick Kinross, Ataturk p.319.
  • "The Greeks, displaying a characteristic often a mark of defeated armies, pursued a 'scorched earth' policy toward Western Anatolia." Patrick Kincaid Jensen. Greco-Turkish war. International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol 10, No.4 p.563
  • "In the course of its retreat from Usah to Smyrna, the Greek army employed a scorched earth policy, destroying the population centers of western Turkey and committing attrocities on a wide scale"Martin Sicker, The Islamic World in Decline p.227.

I could probably find more if required. --A.Garnet 15:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More would be good. - Francis Tyers · 15:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But do they represent the majority view? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 15:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think there are enough to avoid any necessity of "claims" or "alleged". It obviously isn't a very minority point of view. Where are the sources stating that the Greeks didn't have a scorched earth policy? - Francis Tyers · 15:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You'll note these aren't Turkish historians. - Francis Tyers · 15:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One more here from Bruce Clark:

  • "Turkey also faced a daunting humanitarian task. It had to rehouse hun- dreds of thousands of its own citizens who had been burned out of their homes by the retreating Greek army, or put to flight during the Greek atrocities of summer 1921." Bruce Clark, Twice a Stranger, p. 134.
I think these sources are sufficient to warrant a revert. --A.Garnet 17:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your views please[edit]

Hello again. Can you give me your view on these two articles: List of eyewitness accounts related to the Pontic Greek Genocide and List of press headlines relevant to the Pontic Greek Genocide. I find them inherently pov, a way of affirming the genocide pov without any context or explanation. Thanks, --A.Garnet 15:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With all due respect Francis, I asked if you could provide a view on the above articles as an administrator. I dont know if your comment was intended as a sarcastic reply, otherwise I cant work out why you've completely ignored my query. --A.Garnet 20:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok no problem. I havent joined any Central Asian Wikipedia's no, English one is enough stress as it is. Thanks, --A.Garnet 23:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One more thing Francis. An attempt has just begun to resolve the Pontian Greek Genocide dispute through an arbitration committee. Since you have mediated there before, could you please voice your support or objection to such a measure here. Thanks, --A.Garnet 16:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GLBT Israel Palestinian Authority[edit]

Do you have any information or Cites on this issue? If so, please come to the article and edit. The article needs imput on that topic. Elizmr 17:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Persian Alphabet[edit]

ِDear Francis,

I changed the {{Persian alphabet}} and Kaph and Yodh articles to show the difference of these letters in Persian and Arabic. --Soroush83 12:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

copyrights and fair use[edit]

Re: Brenda Shaffer Article; I can rephrase the sentences but my understanding is that what was quoted from those websites fall under fair use, am I wrong?

If you still believe some text may breach the copyright then please remove those texts not the whole article; so people can work on it and contribute to it and develop it! Kiumars

Ok, open the article and let me put them as quotes! Kiumars

I changed it, see ,this version is in quotations and must be ok now! Kiumars

Francis, are you there? did you hear me? Did you check the article? Kiumars


Hi Francis. As we were both working on Toyota War a few minutes ago, I change "lost" to "gone," and you changed "gone" to "destroyed." Unless I'm confusing this conflict with Eritrea's succession from Ethiopia and its seizure of the Ethiopian navy, not all of the equipment was destroyed - instead, a lot of it was taken by Chadian forces. Can you think of a better word to convey this? Picaroon 23:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Minus the "was," which I don't think is needed, your latest version of the sentence sounds fine. I'm writing the stub on Hassan Djamous, so you should feel free to go make the change in Toyota War if you haven't already. Picaroon 23:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please stop removing sourced information from the article. It's a long-established precedent to consider Usenet FAQs are reliable for purposes related to their respective newsgroups, and a FAQ is neither a personal homepage, a personal Usenet post, nor a blog. If you would like to change this precedent, that's fine, but address it in the correct place, and not by assertion. Thanks. Shimeru 20:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good Evening (GMT time); I have accepted your Mediation Cabal case - requested by Cool Cat - on behalf of the Mediation Cabal. I am prepared to commence mediation as soon as possible. I would like to start by enquiring if you wish for mediation to be conducted at the Mediation Cabal subpage, or on the article talk page.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to Contact Me; I will try to answer all your questions as fully as possible in so far as it does not compromise my neutrality.

Kind regards,

Anthonycfc [TC]
20:27, Monday February 5 2007 (UTC)

I've started the mediation at the mediation case page; I invite you to contribute with regards to my request which has been posted at the bottom of the page. Once again, please do not hesitate to contact me - see my contact page for more information.

Kind regards,

Anthonycfc [TC] 21:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Of course, it's all free game here and from what I've seen you "get it". Cheers. NeoFreak 19:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you guide me as to how to deal with this article? Where should I begin reading to find out the best way bring about the curtailing of folks from the university re-adding that non-encyclopedic section? Also, is there a quick way to undo multiple revisions at once? I've used the "undo" link to undo just one most recent revision, but not more than one, and I can't see how to undo multiple revisions at once (with an autogenerated undo edit summary and without performing the reversion manually (simple in the case of deleting a block of text, but could be difficult with more complex revisions)). Thank you. Thanks for reaching out to me when I first started editing a year ago. Christian Campbell 04:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Francis, please come and mediate[edit]

Hi Francis, please come and mediate this situation. You were invited by this user . We strongly believe he was blocked unfairly. Bosniak 20:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cuban health system[edit]

Still wanting pictures about cuban health system? I can help you...KatKiller 08:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis, you might like to comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Macedonia (as you were once involved in the userpage issue) Thanks, --Fut.Perf. 13:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So that you'll know what to answer when this comes up again [16]. Miskin 11:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis! I am working on Abbas Kiarostami to make it GA. Would you please take a look at the article in terms of language and grammer? It would be a great help for me. Cheers Sangak 20:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also I have seen in Tajik alphabet:

"The Arabic alphabet is supported by Islamists, and those who wish to bring the country closer to Iran and their Persian heritage."

I felt insulted by reading this. Puting Islamists next to those who support persian culture is a bit insulting. Interestingly Islamists in Iran are doing their best to destroy persian culture and heritage. Sangak 20:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am way off finishing the article but I beleive I have done a very good job on it. I still need to copy edit it but can you beleive another user thought I had actually made the article worse!!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How are you anyway? What did you say the name of the group from Scandanavia you like was? I'll have a look on youtube Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I listened to When - super stuff it was the band I was thinking of -the singer looks like my cousin!!!. ALthough I prefer it when he sings rather than growls!! Check out Satriani here but turn it up full volume : Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks a lot for editing Kiarostami. I also agree with your comments in the talk page and I will do them as soon as possible. Take care. Sangak 19:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also about Tajik alphabet: I agree that this is indeed the case. But my concern is about the way it is written in the page:
  • why "Arabic alphabet" and not "Perso-Arabic"?
  • Why "Islamists" and not "religious people" or "Some Mulsim Tajiks as well as Islamists"? I can imagine that there might be some moderate Muslims (next to extremists) who prefer the Perso-Arabic alphabets over Russian one for religious reasons. This has nothing to do with being a Muslim extremist (Islamist).
  • Why not having two separate sentences one refering to those who have religious desires and one for those who have cultural interests? There was a big international conference in Tajikistan some time ago where "all" attendees agreed on promoting Persian alphabet, also the president supported it and it will enter the education system soon. So it looks like a national policy now. I read all these in BBC Persian: [17][18]. Thanks anyways. Sangak 19:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The problem in Tajikistan is much worse than this. There are many who do not tolerate Persian language at all no matter it is written in which alphabet. In 1989 a law passed in Tajikistan called "The law of Language" which forces the government and schools to use Persian language. Also it forces the government to use Persian alphabet next to Cyrillic one in the schools. However Russian lobbies do not want this law to be put into practice.[19]. Sangak 19:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis and thanks for your reply. I generally agree with you and what I wrote is simply my understanding of the situation. It is a bit difficult for me to admit that BBC is pro-Iranian. The BBC Tajikistan service wrote its articles both in Cyrillic and Persian alphabet. There exists no other BBC service for Tajiksitan and all its writers are Tajik.

About the word "Muslim": the word for me is a neutral word and may refer to secular, moderates and extremists all together. As a nonreligious person I do not think a good and moderate Muslim is necessrily secular in its western meaning. Giving priority to perso-arabic alphabet over russian one is very natural for all Muslims Tajiks: Islam (Arabic) + Tajik (persian) = perso-arabic! Any Muslim, secular, moderate , extrimist, devout or nondevout etc is Muslim! It means he/she will read Koran and prey at least once in his/her life ! and the book is written in Arabic alphabet. I don't think a good muslim is the one who does not have anything to do with Islam and I do think a secular muslim Tajik would prefer naturally perso-arabic alphabet over Cyrillic. For me devout Muslim means some one who prey seven times a day and go for fasting during Ramedan. Such a person can be secular as well. A non devout Muslim is the one who preys irregularly. But some one who never preys or never observes any religious issue, is not muslim at all.

Personally I don't care what language they use or what alphabet they prefer. Neither perso-arabic nor Cyrillic were the original Iranian alphabets. Also Tajikistan is far behind Iran from almost anypoint of view that I can think of (music, art, literature, science, technology, economy, cinema and ofcourse democracy). So getting close to Iran is neither illogical nor unethical. That's just my understanding of the story. I think the article is more or less ok. I just saw the article accidentally. There are for sure wikipedians from Tajikistan who are more qualified than me to comment on this issue. Thanks any ways. Sangak 10:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure. I have nothing against that. There exists for sure many Muslims (devout or non devout) who are secular in the western sense. It is not against what I wrote, I should say. And I am in general against categorizing people as good or bad. I don't like categorizing mulisms to two groups: Western seculars and Islamists (which has a negative judgement within itself). That's all I say. Wikipedia is not a place for such judgemenets anyways. Take care. Sangak 13:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyways, let's take it easy. Have a nice time. Sangak 13:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Secret Ballot[edit]

Soon as I looked up the plot, I got interested. Basically I'm into the WP Films infobox fever lately, but I made a nice break to build it up a bit. If I find the DVD I'll get it. Cheers! Hoverfish Talk 08:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar awarded by Sangak to Francis Tyers for his kind help on Abbas Kiarostami

Peronsonal life/Kiarostami[edit]

Hi Francis and thanks for the info. As you may know Kiarostami is under peer review now. Some people are not happy with the wording of Early life. I want to combine "personal life" and "Early life" too. It will look like the following:

  • Early life and personal biography

Kiarostami was interested in the arts from an early age. As a boy he showed a keen interest in painting, and at age eighteen won a painting competition.[5] Kiarostami majored in painting and graphic design at Tehran University, and paid for his studies with his job as a traffic policeman. As a painter, designer, and illustrator, Kiarostami worked in advertising throughout the 1960s, making commercials and designing posters. Towards the late sixties, he began creating credit titles for films (including Gheysar by Masoud Kimiai) and illustrating children's books.[5][6] Between 1962 and 1966 he shot some 150 adverts for Iranian television.

Abbas was married to Parvin Amir-Gholi between 1969 and 1982 when they filed for divorce. Their marriage bore two sons; son Ahmad was born in 1971 and son Bahman was born in 1978. Bahman Kiarostami has become a director and cinematographer in his own right and directed Journey to the Land of the Traveller in 1993 at the age of fifteen. In 2000 San Francisco Film Festival award ceremony, Kiarostami surprised everyone by giving away his "Akira Kurosawa prize" to veteran Iranian actor Behrooz Vossoughi for his many years of contribution to Iranian Cinema.

What do you think about the title? Also about the Behrooz Vosoughi? One reviewer said: " the Early life section is quite awkard to read". Can you make comment on this? Is it good to talk about marriage and his son at the beginning of the article? Thanks. Sangak 10:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. It now looks much better. I will try to find some images for the filmography. Take care. Sangak 10:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

good stuff amigo. I am thinking for Kiarostami that some of thre traits of his films e.g the use of child protagonists lanscapes etc that are listed in the talk page should go in the intro? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Francis! User:Ernst added the info that I wrote in the talk page to the article. Would you please check it? Does it need any copyedit? Also Kiarostami did not shoot always in Villages. There are also many films where he used only professional actors. So that "signature" is more or less true but not always. I would say it is better to have a statement like "some critics believe that" or some thing like that to show that this is the understanding of some critics. Sangak 14:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kiarostami Persian latin[edit]

Please see my talk page. Sangak 13:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wow! nice! Is this what your software does? Is there any link from English article to the Tajik one? Sangak 14:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Found it! It is in the page. Sangak 14:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Francis! I have collected some information about the presence of Iranians in French New Wave. I tried to write it in my own words but it is still very similar to the original sentences in the cited article. Also I did not manage to make it short. It would be great if you could help me with that when you have time. Take care. Sangak 09:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The author of the article has just sent me an email, giving me permission to use the content:

Yes please go ahead but please refer to my name in the publication.

I will be updating the article in a future publication I hope for payvand with new additions for instance Darius Khondji who is also half French.

I am very happy that you came across my article.

warm Regards and stay in touch.


Film Historian and Journalist

Sangak 09:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your opinion on a GA review for Persian language[edit]

I was wondering what your opinion was on a good article review for Persian language. Do you see any shortcomings of the article that could be addressed so that it could be nominated? Thanks. –jonsafari 22:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for spending the time to reply insightfully. I'd like to make whatever bold changes are necessary to make it good, but it would be nice to have some consensus behind it (also predicting potential political disputes) – which is why I asked you. I think I'll ask the same question on the article's talk page. Would you mind re-posting your same reply there? Thanks. –jonsafari 05:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really appreciate you looking over the article and giving your thoughts. I apologize if I stirred up a hornet's nest here, but my main motivation for asking you was to make the article rise to a much higher quality than it's currently at. –jonsafari 22:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your edits don't seem to be too contested, at least compared with what I was expecting. Good luck with the Ph.D. application process. I'll be starting a Ph.D. program at Ohio State next year. I too would like to see the things bogdan suggested—wish I had the time... –jonsafari 01:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chad images[edit]

Hi Fran, I wanted to hear if you could give me some suggestions regarding how to find an acceptable images, and indicate me somebody willing in making historical maps. I've found tons of photos with no indication at this Chadian website [20], and also some useful maps [21], that hopefully some wikipedian expert could work on to make indipendent and as such fully usable. What do you think?--Aldux 20:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I urge you to address these issues asap Fran. We are starting to lose it! NikoSilver 22:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the message, Fran :-) As for the 2-3 images, at the website the most promising (and accurate) seem the 2nd (titled "Situation en 1975-76"), the 8th (titled "Situation en novembre - décembre 1980"), and especially the 13th (titled "Situation en 1985").--Aldux 17:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Peter Zheltukhin[edit]

Hi. Look at ru:Желтухин, Пётр Фёдорович - if U have someone, who can read Russian, U may do Your article better.--Arachn0 12:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tajik and Persian[edit]

We don't have Iranian Persian, Tajik or dari are not an independent language. The change of the name were just for political reasons by Russians or Pashtuns. Regarding Tajik, the only major difference is alphabet. Please cite your edits with academical references.

another example is Azerbaijani Language north and south of Aras. They don't have even two different wikipedia! article in Arabic alphabet is written is subpage of the main article and by the way if you can read arabic alphabet, I encourage you to read this. [22] take care, --Pejman47 21:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Final revision of Abbas Kiarostami[edit]

Hi Francis!

Based on the feedbacks I got from peer reviewers and also during GA assessment, I think the article is pretty much ready to become FA. However it may be better to have a final round of copyeditting preferably by English native speakers. Would that be possible for you to help me in this final stage? Sangak 11:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! I've just asked her. Hope your are fine and enjoying the weekend! Sangak 12:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You disappoint me and surprise me with your comment about "Welsh is their language". If you do your research you'll find that english is more spoken, I happen to live in a part where I don't know anybody who knows more than two words in welsh. I don't really consider myself welsh but British. My family are from London. I think the whole welsh, english scottish nationalism and racism thing is just silly. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah. I misinterpreted what you said. Duh!!!!!! I jumped to a conclusion that it was about my editing and my english. Forgive me for my haste. Hey do you think the paragraph on Kiarstami's digital micro cinema now in the Style article is very important? Even if condensed I feel it should be part of the main article Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes for some reason I thought it was about the Abbas article - and as I live across the border in wales-I fugured it was about my englishness in the writing or something. You can see why I might have jumped to that conclusion. I don't even have hardly a trace of a welsh accent in fact many people who I have spoken to in the past thought I was english - even up in London. But there are welsh people in the media who portray welsh people as complete idiots and airheads -e.g Maureen from Driving school, Glyn from Big Brother, Imogen from Big Brother -slapper!, Helen from Big Brother and others like orange skinned Gavin Henson and Charlotte Church. Not exactly the greatest of people to represent the welsh!! Welsh is taught in the schools though to ensure that the welsh language doesn't die out but I can only remember one or twon words and don't even known what 'addysg Gymraeg nawr means - I know cymraeg or gymraeg is welsh! Loos as if the Kiarostami nomination is going well! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Persian transliteration[edit]

Please see [23]. We need to change the WP:MoS for Persian transliteration. MoS forces us to use Arabic transliteration for Persian words. It makes no sense. Please see the problem I have now on transliteration of Kiarostami. [24]. I suggest we make a new guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian) / WP:MOS-Pe. Any idea? Sangak 12:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I copy/pasted the Arabic guideline to my user:page. let's work here first and then propose it. User:Sangak/Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian)

Sangak 12:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apart from technical problems, I've just notived that the arabic MOS is full of examples like Al-qaeda, Saddam, Jamal Abdol Nasser, Al Saud , Mu‘awiyah who are all accused of anti-persian racism. Also too many examples from religious issues. Sangak 13:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WPW newsletter[edit]

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This is the project's first newsletter. If you have any questions, comments, or ideas about it, feel free to post it on WT:WPW. Thanks. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kiarostami: FAC[edit]


I would like to invite all those who reviewed "Abbas Kiarostami" during last two months to comment on the article at this "final" stage. The article is now featured article candidate. In case you have any comment, please let me know on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Abbas Kiarostami page. Thanks.Sangak 16:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis. what do you mean by "individual editions" and "cover work"? I replaced Khayyam's photo. The new one is free. Are you refering to the first personal photo? I am not sure I understood you correctly. Sangak 18:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Khayyam's image was replaced a second time with another free image, which I actually like a lot. Do you have any other comments? Sangak 17:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Francis :-) Sangak 18:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 18:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good evening (GMT time); the above Mediation Cabal case regarding Category:Kurdistan is currently ongoing. I urge you to participate, so that we will - in the end - receive a fair outcome, rather than one that does not reflect a whole side of the argument (i.e. your side).

The current situation is that tomorrow a CfD will be listed to delete all of the remaining subcategories of Category:Kurdistan; if you wish to oppose or endorse this decision, I once again urge you to make yourself heard - I assure you that if you object, the CfD will not go ahead unless it is a compromise that suits consensus, and has been identified as such.

Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [TC] 21:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis, just a point about Mazandarani people (as I lived there for 20 years). Our main and first language is persian not Mazandarani. Also a lot of Mazandarani people are bilingual. I never liked the map of persian speakers in persian language. I assume similar situation for Gilaki people. Take care.Sangak 16:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bulgarian Empire[edit]

The case with the Bulgarian Empire is the same with France, Japan, Iran and others. Ancient Persia under Darius I for instance is not a former country but contemporary Persia, France under Philip Augustus is contemporary France, Japan under its ancient emperors is contemporary Japan and Bulgarian under Ivan Asen II is contemporary Bulgaria.

All these are not former countries. --Gligan 11:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't make laugh : ) Romania has nothing to do with the Roman Empire. The population of contemporary Romania is not Roman but a great mixure of Vlachs, Moldavians, Dacians, Cumans, Pechenegs, Slavs; while the population of the Bulgarian, Persian and Japanese Empires consisted mainly of Bulgarians, Persians and Japanese as it is today.
Throughout history the Romanians were never called Romans; only part of contemporary Romania was ruled by the Roman Empire and for a short time. --Gligan 11:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We always called ourselves in Romanian by the name of "român"/"rumân" (or variations). The Albanians used to call the Vlach groups in their region "rumëri" (not sure about the spelling). As for the other ethnic groups, they came in the area after the Roman Empire ended, so no wonder they don't associate the Romanians with the Roman Empire. :-)
But we're getting off-topic. The Bulgarian Empire ceased to exist for centuries, so there was no continuity... it's hard to claim it's the same country. bogdan 16:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, you are right, our country was under foreign domination for 482 years BUT the contemporary country is a successor of the former Empire, because we shared approximately one and the same territory and population; and after the liberation in 1878 Tarnovo, the old capital was naturally proposed for capital but then rejected due to strategic and econimic reasons. In the memory of the Bulgarian people the old Empires and the contemporary country is one and the same. After all, the country was liberated in 1878, not established.

The same case is with Poland, Persia and other countries.

In Bulgarian a Romanian is румънец (rumânets) and a Roman is римлянин (rimlyanin). --Gligan 18:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Afzalsho Shodiev[edit]

Is nominating for SD is acceptable for the second time? The SD tag had been removed by another editor before. Jahangard 21:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kiarostami was promoted![edit]

Dear Francis

I need to thank you (a "special thanks") for your kind assistance and support. The article would not come to FA status without your helps. Thanks and All the best. Sangak Talk 11:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I've just made an account there, for fun and just to say hi! Sangak Talk 11:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For this subject, could you please take all disputes to the talk page instead of having a wheel war? Please see 3RR, because each user has 3 reverts per day, if the dispute is over content. If appropriate, you might want to open an WP:RfC on the article if you are having further disputes. Cheers! Real96 23:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm using the talk page, it is the best place to try and resolve disputes. I'd welcome you to join me there. - Francis Tyers · 23:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really don't know that much about the subject, but the dispute stems from a credibility dispute. If the dispute settlement doesn't work on the talk page, then you should try RfC or mediation steps. Real96 23:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LOL.--Domitius 23:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I added some more to your stub Raye makhfi and some images. The traffic light scene looks amusing. Check out my work on The Maltese Falcon (1941 film) I wrote much of it earlier -I need to reference it but it is on the way to becoming good. If you could give a hand some time with copy editing and referencing that would be much appreciated Hope you are well ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 16:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some stuff[edit]

Hi, Francis. Concerning your comment on the Romanian noticeboard, I'm afraid I have to answer that antisemitic propaganda is having a field day on rowiki - besides the "Rebeliunea" article, compiled from overtly fascist and other dubious sources, I see a tight group of users if ready to deny the Bucharest pogrom even happened, based on "data" from Paul Goma and other fringe material. It simply is a matter of scandal, too complicated and potentially too violent to consider exposing it and facing the backlash (especially since an admin there seems to have actually involved himself/herself in authoring part of the text). The one user who objected to the version was told off and mocked in the process, and the talk pages include praises for fascist movements and Holocaust denial from several contributors to the article. It is not something I would casually want to get involved in, especially since I seem to be in a minority of people concerned.

Anyway, sticking to business o'er here: I recently expanded the Christian Rakovsky article, and I remember you mentioning something about a picture. I really see this going FA in the near future, so that would really be a great addition. Also, I look forward to any input, intervention, comment, question or copyedit you may have. Keep in touch, Dahn 21:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for that, and I'll let you know on the issue of anti-semitic propaganda. Also, are you sure that Rakovsky's stuff on the Federation isn't present on It may spare you the effort (which is still laudable in itself).
To repeat my question here (I don't know if you are watching the page): are you actually working on some history of those trends? Because I think we should consider an article on Balkan federalism or Pan-Balkanism to group info from Feraios and Ypsilantis to Rakovsky and the Valev Plan. Dahn 15:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Excellent stuff. Will you allow me to give you a hand if I find material? I'll just forward it to you on the talk page there, and you can edit it in. Also, in case you want help reviewing what you are researching, perhaps you can mail me whatever material you are looking into, and we'll share the work. I'm still involved in other things that demand my attention, but I'm willing to help here as well (the topic is fascinating).
I suggest that you eventually divide your text into more topical sections, and "mainarticle" to stuff such as the Eteria, the BCF, Bled, and Valev - so it doesn't get redundant to those articles once they are expanded. Dahn 16:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for everything. I'll get back to you with an e-mail later today or tomorrow (when I'll also explain the delay); by then, feel free to send me whatever text you need me to look into. Dahn 11:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC) Did you happen to look through the links I pointed out on your sandbox talk page? They add very interesting detail - I'll review that as well soon (I'm currently trying to get off the ground with Socialist Party of Romania, and have promised Biruitorul that I'd sandbox something about the Labor movement in Romania, for us both to work on). Dahn 11:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We seem to be editing it at the same time. I'll look at it tomorrow, or later tonight. Cheers! --Ling.Nut 16:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis. I think statement of Serge Sarkissian, the minister of defense of Armenia, is important and not undue weight. What do you think? Grandmaster 14:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you think I should move the new quotes to talk to have them discussed? Grandmaster 14:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Francis, I will join the discussion tomorrow. Could you please also comment on Serge Sarkissian quote, in my opinion it is an improtant fact from a third party source. Grandmaster 15:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Francis, I've left my comments on the page, since most of the recent edits are mine and your comments are on my additions. Let me know what you think. I've made an effort to provide the most authoritative sources possible, and in case of Caucasus, it doesn't get more authoritative for recent political events journalists and narrative historians than Hugh Pope, Thomas Goltz, or a Congressional speech before the entire US House of Representatives. --AdilBaguirov 04:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

greater morocco[edit]

hi, i was just wondering - there's a never-ending battle going on over at greater morocco (i think you can guess the outlines of it), and it would be good if you wanted to take a look at it. you've been there before, and your mediation the previous times was excellent.

there's a longer presentation of this on the talk page, but in short, the dispute concerns two competing versions of the page, one of which is a drastically shortened version of the other. i want the original back, since it's frankly so much better, and i'm perfectly willing to have it edited further afterwards to make everyone happy. but i'm reverted every time i try to restore it. have tried an RfC, but to no use. i've also asked FayssalF to have a look at it, since he's been involved in these issues too, and i've found him to be very balanced in mediation too. Arre 02:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiProject Kurdistan[edit]

Don't you think D.Kurdistani's comments are too personal to be put on a Wikipedia project page? He/she mentions Baristarim's name in an accusing manner numerous times. I may be wrong still.--Doktor Gonzo 16:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chad images[edit]

Hi Fran thanks for your work. I see the lines, but could you make them pointed, so their direction is clearer? As for the cities, the problem is that some of the maps are a bit crushed; for the positions of the towns, the best thing is to use Image:Chad Map.jpg, which is accurate and contains most of the towns present in the other maps. But you do what seems best in your vision; I really don't understand enough of this stuff. And thanks for editing Toyota War! Ciao,--Aldux 17:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Kurdistan mediation[edit]

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Category:Kurdistan, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. -- Cat chi? 22:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vulgarian Statal Entity instead of Empire[edit]

See my edit there --Riversongsmajorcopy 22:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Icelandic film[edit]

Hi there Francis. Hey I see you were the one who started 101 Reykavik. I have expanded it but check out this image. Does this look like Victoria Beckham and Liz McDonald from Coronation Street or what? See Image:101reykjavik2.jpg!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 08:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't but I hoped it would be a B soon enough. There appears to be plenty of info to make it a GA. God that guy in the film looks like a geek!!!! What did you think of the Liz McDonald/ Posh Spice lesbo picture? I have just been speaking to an Icelandic user incidentally. It does need a bit of copy editing, referencing but I hate stubs this is why I expanded it!! DO you think with a bit of development it would be good enough? THe film I intend to get to a GA, FA eventually is The Maltese Falcon (1941 film). Now that has potential! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 09:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah ha. Ya kinky devil!!!! THats why you started it! I haven't seen the film but it looks pretty damn interesting particularly with those lesbos!! It looks a laugh - the Blur guy did the music to it -he is obsessed with Iceland!!! and Victoria Abril looks very nice. Particularly at I may translate this to her article later. All the best! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 09:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See the front page 4 articles in five days!! Torrent (1926 film).!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 12:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

THanks. I have just started one of the weirdest films I have ever added on wikipedia. Uttara (film). I looked through the notable Bengali director list and just felt like adding it. Its really weird and quite brutal!! I never realized Bengali films were allowed to have such brutality!!! I'm only half done I'll finish it later ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 14:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Since you have already been involved in this issue I would like to ask your opinion about recent edit (removal of census table) by user:HyeProfile [25] As you see he is removing tables and data based on scholarly works. I made my comments on talkpage about his OR [26] and his questioning of scholarly sources [27]. In return he called my opinion "vandalism" [28]. Since he is not a party of Arbcom desicion, and I am, I don't want to touch the article now (as per 1rr) but that user already threatened to do whatever he thinks right according to his view [29] and I suppose that aggressive editing will continue.--Dacy69 22:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

here is more evidence [30]--Dacy69 01:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Soviet occupation[edit]

Thanks. It was so frustrating to see so much work constantly reverted without discussion. Maybe my text is not ideal, but the article glaringly lacked context and looked like Soviets just invaded and occupied Romania in 1944 and the Romanian being allied with the Nazis in 1941 attack was irrelevant. So, Soviets just, you know, "came in and occupied" on the whim. Soviets were no angels to be sure but no one was at the time (and even now). Cheers, --Irpen 08:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Double redirects[edit]

Hi, just a quick reminder to check any redirects when you move a page, I've fixed quite a number for Emomali Rahmonov and other articles you've moved about recently. -- Nick t 22:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have until 22:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC) to comment at that page before it fails. -- Cat chi? 17:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please look at the talk page. Jahangard 17:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for Mediation[edit]

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Casino Royale FAC[edit]

To let you know that Casino Royale (2006 film) has undergone improvement in the last week and I have now nominated it for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. I would very much appreciate you taking the time to review the article and state your opinion. Thankyou. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E" 09:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An arbitration case involving you has been filed. Feel free to comment there. -- Cat chi? 13:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. I just noticed you put in a reference to Deletant saying or implying it was not an occupation. A page number and/or quotation would be helpful. Biruitorul 16:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My question still stands. Biruitorul 17:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've done so, at least until better documentation is found. Biruitorul 18:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

new category/userbox[edit]

Hi, i thought you might like add the following category to your user page.

Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of East Anglia

also i have created a user box for uea students/alumni. You may like to add it to your user page.

The code is {{User uea}}

And this is what it looks like..

This user attends or attended the University of East Anglia.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmh2006 (talkcontribs)

Sorry guys, but no fair-use images in userboxes please... :-( --Fut.Perf. 16:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

copied from your old talkpage...[edit]

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Huitzilopochtli.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Huitzilopochtli.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy). Thank you. Fritz S. (Talk) 16:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sorry! I wasn't here. you sent in 27 february 2007. I was in Turkish wikipedia. I can help.--F.Mehmet 17:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thoth conduct[edit]

I have started an RfAr against Thoth conduct. [31] You may want to comment. Since I'll be living and that I won't be watching that article, I hope the Arbcom will settle the problem of the uses of that articles talkpage as a soapbox once for all, this at least will bring people to discuss the article and how to improve it rather than worthless debates. Fad (ix) 03:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Free Immigration[edit]

Hi Francis - It's been awhile; I hope you are well. I noticed you have edited the Free migration page. There is an anonymous user with a history of contentious edits. She have been called out as a troll by several editors, been blocked three times by three admins, continues to refuse to sign Talk comments, etc. The User recently removed 2/3rds of the Free Immigration article for unreferenced material. This is par for the course for the user. She likes to game the system to hurt Wikipedia by removing content or inserting material of dubious quality. I've grown tired of the troll, so I am alerting you of her actions on that page. I agree with removing material that appears blatantly false or questionable, but material that was written in good faith but without references is far harder to improve than material that doesn't exist at all. --David Shankbone 13:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

sorry for accidentally removing the message above, what i attempted to say is please don't re-insert uncited material. it's ok to leave things for a month or two but when things are over six months its time to go. the text is still available in the page history if it needs to be restored. if the article were about noncontroversial/nonpolitical topics this can be relaxed somewhat.


Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Anarcho-capitalism. Comments requested. Since you used to be a sysop, I was also wondering if you knew any other sysops who would be interested - send them the link to comment too. :) -- infinity0 01:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article List of places blurred out on Google Maps, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. 12:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Casualties etc.[edit]

I am sorry, but I do not find your stance very honest, you moved the template without any discussion when you knew that it would not be a straightforward move, then you are accusing me of being disruptive? Can you please contact an admin to fix the move, move it back to its original position and request a RM as is the normal wiki procedure? If we are going to discuss and not impose, that's the only way to go. cheers Baristarim 11:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whatever, what you just did was extremely disrespectful - you should have started a RM or survey before moving it. It has now become a different template, feel free to continue a different one at TR-KU.. Baristarim 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is the true POV-pushing and imposing, Francis. I am actually disappointed. You knew that the template move would be controversial, since you had nominated it for deletion before, and you unilaterally went ahead. Beware of 3RR btw, there is nothing in the rules that states that there cannot be two different templates just because one was moved - as I said, feel free to break the redirect and start a new template at TR-KU, the template as is documents only PKK attacks, and it makes more sense to keep it there. Baristarim 11:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And you did a good job burning the redirect, then you ask for a RM? That is the very definition of Wikipedia:Disruption Baristarim 11:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please revert at Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict - you are way past 3RR. Baristarim 12:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, I stroke the report. I generally don't bring things to 3RR, but I really don't like scorched redirects since I consider it disrespectful (that was the only reason for the report). Nevertheless, if you could simply revert it back to status quo in that article, that would be nice. Anyways... Baristarim 13:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries man, shit happens.. :) Baristarim 14:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have proposed the template for deletion, guess you'll probably agree with that. I don't know what to do with the article itself, but now that it has also been talkpage-spammed there's probably little hope of a constructive debate there. Fut.Perf. 00:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry Francis, I thought this was your nomination, so I put your name on edit summaries, maybe b/c I was replying your comments and you were replying mine here, or b/c of your nomination on the talk page. I should check the name of the nominators more carefully I guess. denizTC 04:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

History of the Eastern Orthodox Church[edit]

Could you please provide sources for were the Orthodox church was involved in russification and pogroms? Considering the comments are unsourced until you can source were the church as a whole was involved, the comments need to be removed. LoveMonkey 21:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reward Board[edit]

As this was my first time trying to obtain a reward, I'm not quite familiar with the process of claiming it, an I'm not sure if this is the right way. I worked on the article for Daşoguz for about an hour (give or take 5 minutes). I'm assuming that by the statement "I'll do the same", you meant that you'll work on an article about Central Asia for an hour. --queso man 17:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, and you can see that I couldn't get much done. --queso man 17:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No city in particular, just choose any one you like. --queso man 23:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Fair use rationale for Image:Macedonians protest against forced assimilation.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Macedonians protest against forced assimilation.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read carefully the instructions at Wikipedia:Fair use and then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our Criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

Additional comment: Please don't take this personally, but I disagree with the reasons you cited as to why this meets the fair use criteria -- I'm not sure they apply here from my reading of Wikipedia:Non-free content, especially the section "Examples of unacceptable use". One of the examples of unacceptable uses pretty much matches this photo's situation (see the fifth bullet point):

  • "A photo from a press agency (e.g., Reuters, AP), not so famous as to be iconic, to illustrate an article on the subject of the photo."

--A. B. (talk) 03:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Francis, I just happened to come across this. I'm afraid I must agree with A.B. here. The article isn't specifically discussing this particular image, therefore it's not fair use. Also, it's "replaceable" - it would be possible to get some image from some other pro-Macedonian demstration somewhere, it's not like there has been only this one, right? Fut.Perf. 07:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure thats fine. - Francis Tyers · 07:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I deleted it then. Fut.Perf. 07:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WPTL todo page[edit]

I recently constructed an attempt at a more organized WikiProject Theoretical Linguistics open tasks template, but I haven't received any responses on the project talk page. If you could take a look at the test: User:Mitchoyoshitaka/WPTL todo and comment on it, I'd greatly appreciate any feedback or criticism! mitcho/芳貴 02:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Plagiarism problem[edit]

Hi Francis, I came across a problem with the Persian language and related articles that might be somehow related to your interests. It turns out that this online article [32] has been variously plagiarised on the web, and parts of it have found their way into Wikipedia (e.g. the paragraph here [33] - note that I'm not implying Jonsafari was responsible for copying it, he was only merging something that had been around for long and I can't quickly reconstruct who was ultimately responsible for introducing it.) Could you check what cleanup might be necessary in these articles? Thanks, --Fut.Perf. 10:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Ask User:Ldingley about those. He gave them to me citing Michael McCormick. He would have any sort of note of permission. -- Aivazovsky 13:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GDFL license[edit]

Hi, I really can't understand why do you put possibly unfree images tag on the images which have been published clearly under GDFL. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who is "disputing" the copyright status of these images, and under what reason?

Almost all images from the Iran-Iraq war era belong to paramilitary Baseeji organizations and/or Iranian govt agencies. And they are not protected under US copyright laws, as stipulated in the United States Copyright office Circuilar 38. I can provide email addresses for you to verify that the images are currently circulated by IRNA, IRIB, and other govt agencies.--Zereshk 18:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If I recall, I got my copy from a publication by ستاد تبلیغات جنگ تحمیلی (Setad-i Tablighat-i Jang-i Tahmili) which does not exist anymore.
All the pictures of Iran-Iraq war which you have disputed, are now Public Domain. Nobody owns them.
As proof, you can find the same exact pictures appearing (and claimed by) multiple websites:
Those are the facts. The rest is your decision.--Zereshk 23:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]