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Abuse of Admin powers[edit]

Someone added this as racial actions against the Turkish race - and it is this administrator abusing his powers.

He leaves this message (below) at the Turkish War of Independence Article as though he is somone called Turkish legacy and then leaves racially derogatory stuff about Turks on the User page.

  • I think he is right.The bastard İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti who ordered the evacuation of every living Armenian in the Eastern zones was gone by the time this war started.Its head was dwelling in Moscow.Later I learned he died in battle.Correct if I'm wrong.--Turkish Legacy 21:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

-"Can kırığı" is a tea-powered omnivorous creature usually inhabiting Istanbul,Turkey.So far only one of its kind have been spotted.It is reported as a gray furred bear-like penguin with a large belly unusual for its body type,and its genetic structure is derived from homo sapiens.

-"Can Kırığı" (plural Can Kırıkları)is socially aggressive,responding ferociously to any provocations and political claims which are 100% contrary against his own.This is believed to be due to intense pressure put on its country by European Union about issues too ridiculous to consider in a world of global crisis,and misinformation such as the ridiculous claims that Kurdish terrorists in South-eastern Anatolia fighting for the rights of their people,or that the country is ruled by a military dictatorship,or even the insane justification of kurdish suicide bombers.

-Strangely,Can Kırığı has abilities in the following languages:


-English(it seems OK so far.)

-Deutsch(Ich bin so ungebildet in der Deutschen Sprache,dass ich sogar die einfachsten Wörter in Deutsch gar nicht aussprechen kann.Viele Grüsse)

-bare bones Russian (I'll get a Kiril Alphabet keyboard soon,it seems too embarassing to write the precious few Russian I learned in latin)

-and plans on learning Japanese as soon as finishing with Russki Yazyk.

Lately,Can Kırığı seems to have a slight enmity towards "FrancisTyers" entity

Is the writing above an example of an abuse of admin powers - or is FrancisTyers schziophrenic? Could someone clear up the mystery for me?

I mean if racist biased terrorist sympathisers like this are made administrators Wilipedias reliability as an online encyclopedia is dented. What shall we get the IRA to write British history? 14:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 23:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Congratulations! —Nightstallion (?) 00:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --King of All the Franks 00:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congrats from me too! Good luck with the mop.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 00:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congrats, you deserve it! ;) --Just a tag 00:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Well Done. I got your message thanking me for my support and I can only say that you deserved it. Congrats! --- Responses to Chazz's talk page. Signed by Chazz @ 01:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations Francis! Hope you use your admin powers well. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 01:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very good...congrats!--MONGO 01:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations to your RFA. ;) --Terence Ong Talk 08:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Massive Congrats. My only regret is that I didn't realize you were having an RfA and didn't get the chance to vote in support of you.--Alabamaboy 02:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations on being an admin! You deserve it! Flag of Europe.svgFlag of Romania.svg Ronline 05:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I congratulate you on your elevation to adminship, and wish you all the best in your new role. --Bhadani 06:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)~Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations and good luck! Daryou 07:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations Francis and thanks for taking time to reply to 59 people! :-) Best of Luck... --ΜιĿːtalk 07:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congratulations, you really are a worthy candidate for the job. If anyone deserved the job, you did =P Link9er 13:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • My pleasure. Congratulations, and best of luck! Jayjg (talk) 15:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Creşti mare :) Bonaparte talk 18:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Your karma said: Moldovan is identical with Romanian. Is not even a dialect.Reply[reply]
  • Congrats on adminship! -- Jbamb 22:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Congrats, Francis! I'm always willing to support handsome guys for adminship ;-) (j/k) (the support part, not the handsome one!) Cheers, -- Phædriel *whistle* 06:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Nature" report[edit]

Thanks for giving me a heads up on the Nature article. I'll read it and let you know what I think. By the way, D&N is on its third, 3rd, AfD. I won't say anything. Check it out. john sargis 14:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Congrats and a new issue for a new admin[edit]

Hi Francis! I am very glad to see you getting the mop! Congrats! I also wanted to get your attention re Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Sina. It's a total mess and a playground for trolls and an attack on wikipedia! The subject of the article is gathering people around forums to come to vote in mass of trolls and diff IPs. I must let you know that i believe yo voted in good faith but w/ little knowledge about what's going on. I've just voted now (I never thought I'd vote after the trolling and the mess begun) but I just voted delete for the reasons I gave there. Pls read them and see what's must be done. Cheers -- Szvest 19:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™Reply[reply]

Shukran bezef!/Todah rabah!/Merci beaucoup!/Muchas gracias! to Francis![edit]

Franci, thank you for your support in my RfA! I promise to wield the mop in a manner so impartial that one would never suspect for a moment that I was a neocon-sympathetic pigdog! ;-) Should there be any issues you think I should know about, AfDs or anything else, let me know por favor! Thank thanky, Babajobu 23:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not giving you a test warning but please do not blank articles etc. Thanks. --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding mediation[edit]

Thank you for helping mediate between us on the anarchism page. I appreciate your time and effort. As for edit summaries, I'll be sure to make them as detailed as possible. Let me know if you have any further suggestions. --AaronS 07:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The facts of PKK does not change by removing from the page.[edit]

Trying to improve position of PKK through eliminating of negative statements is very despicable act, and very bad form of vandalism. You can not change history through elimination of obvious facts using cheap citation games. Removing the facts from the PKK page is a statement about you, and degrades the quality of the website. It is very sad that people like you can be come admin. Shame on you. --tommiks 07:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry that you characterise Wikipedia policy as a cheap game. - FrancisTyers 15:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No FrancisTyers, that's what you have been doing lately. You blank cited information from the articles just for masturbation. You absolutely had been given a warning already.

WPSU Barnstar[edit]

Since Mikkalai is out, I figured I will go ahead and draw the star pattern he liked. However, I drew it in SVG (second Barnstar to be done so). It is at Image:WPSU Barnstar.svg. If there are any issues, just let me know. Zach (Smack Back) Fair use policy 07:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I updated the Barnstar to make it more like the star given out for the Hero of the USSR title. You can see it at the same location, Image:WPSU Barnstar.svg. Zach (Smack Back) Fair use policy 06:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

French Collaboration Project[edit]

Mediation Cabal: Jehovah's Witnesses - New World Translation[edit]

Dear Francis: I just thought I'd let you know that this case you've recently taken on:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/6 01 2006 Jehovah's Witnesses - New World Translation

appears to be a duplicate of

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 12 2005 Jehovah's Witnesses

which Stephen is currently mediating. Incidentally, it seems to be the same user and the same other parties across both cases; could be questionable faith. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Francis, during my mediation with the JW editors, I recommended that they open a new case for this issue. It really is separate from the other mediation case, which regards Armegeddon, whereas this one regards the New World Translation. If you want me to get involved or not, or take the case, or not, I will leave it up to you. Good luck, SteveMc 19:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you[edit]

Hi, thank you for your vote on sh Wikipedia. That voting for closing is not correct. Sh Wikipedija is active. There is over 2000 articles. People must know for this fullish voting! Thank you again. Best regards. --M. Pokrajac 23:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Many thanks for your support on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf melmac 10:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your information[edit]

The user Mesopotamia is flaming in Kurdish people. I pointed up the problems of the article and argumentated, but he still want that his non-sense stuff will remain. Please do something, check please Talk:Kurdish people

Thank you! --ShapurAriani 20:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for your effort in mediating anarchism[edit]

You're a brave man. ;) --AaronS 00:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good luck. You'll need it. Fifelfoo 00:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'd be happy to help, as much as I can, with the Proudhon article translation. I need to practice my French while I'm on break from college, anyways. --AaronS 01:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My goodness, even with my minimal knowledge of Proudhon, that assertion seems to be utterly ridiculous. I can't imagine that it could be substantiated. Like you suggest, it never hurts to ask an editor to cite his or her sources. That seems to be helping with the anarchism article (although I think that there is too much reliance on primary sources, which, I think, borders on original research). --AaronS 01:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, Congrats for your Adminship!

  • What about the WS portal/intro Mediation? Koavf didn't provide evidence about the use of the term Western Sahara. I've had the same problem before with him in the WS infobox dispute, He doesn't feel any need to discuss as far as his own version is displayed. I really want to avoid an other edit war. Regards. Daryou 20:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Thank you for your great mediation, I see that all my edits are simply not accepted by Koavf even when sourced. He reverted my last edit with an ambiguous explanation. Can you interfer please, I get really exasperated with his "refuse all Daryou's edits" strategy, what can I do, please help me? Daryou 22:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I knew it was mis-spelled, had not yet got around TUIT on looking up what correct spelling was. User:AlMac|(talk) 03:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


My role here is to explain myself, but stay tuned, this message first: I looked up "role" in dictionary and it says the other way is ok too, so you are right. Now for my explanation of my changing it: I had never seen it that way before. I don't even have a key on my keyboard (o^?) for it. English commonly drops diacritical marks. I'm thinking, what is this guy, French? Looks like a job for "freedom o". OK, enough chuckles. Thanks for educating me on a new way to spell "role". WAS 4.250 21:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I did see your archiving. Thank you for doing a great job monitoring the page:) The main goal for discussions on the page should be achievement of deletion of the POV tag. The main principle should be keeping the discussions clean and focused on the topics.

I agree with you that rants should be archived if inactive after a while. I was thinking that obvious distractions irrelevant to the topic of the article, if they happen in the future, should be deleted altogether. What do you think?

So, are you Kurdish, Bulgarian, or French;)?

By the way, I know the literal translation for "Fuck the Borders," and I know why Armenians haven't used it on that page. It's too much of a taboo for any Armenian to write that word in public (in its Armenian version). Even I can't write it here:) The way it's written now means "To hell with borders," which is much neater than the accurate translation.

A few weeks ago you offered your help and now i need it ;)[edit]

Hello i need help with useing facts from an article and to re write it so that i can put it into wiki

These are the parts i want to use

Trade volume between China and Russia reached $29.1 billion in 2005, an on-year surge of 37.1 percent

China is now Russia’s fourth largest trade partner, and Russia is China’s eighth largest trade partner

In the first 11 months of 2005, China’s export of machinery and electronic goods to Russia grew 70 percent, accounting for 24 percent of China’s total export to Russia. During the 11 months, China’s export of high-tech products to Russia grew 58 percent, accounting for 7 percent of China’s total exports to Russia. Most of China’s exports to Russia remain apparel and footwear.

In the first nine months of 2005, China’s contracted investment in Russia totaled $368 million, twice that in 2004. China now has over 750 investment projects in Russia, involving $1.05 billion.

During the January-November period of 2005, border trade between the two countries reached $5.13 billion, growing 35 percent and accounting for nearly 20 percent of the total trade.

Russia’s exports to China are mainly those of energy sources, such as crude oil, which is mostly transported by rail, and electricity exports from neighboring Siberian and Far Eastern regions. In the near future, exports of both of these commodities are set to increase, as Russia is building a giant pipeline to Pacific Ocean with a branch to Chinese border, and Russian power grid monopoly UES is building some of its hydropower stations with a view of future exports to China.

I want to use those nummbers in wikis info about russia in the economy section and the seperate article about russias economy and in the people republicof china section about economy and the special peoples republic of chinas economy article

Deng 05.35 jan 14 2006

Actually i rewrote it myself but thanks for replying ;)

Deng 10.20 jan 17 2006

French Collaboration Project[edit]

You showed support for French Collaboration Project. This week Little boy was chosen to be translated from fr:Little boy. Hope you can help.

Brian Boru[edit]

Hi, do you know where that Brian Boru picture comes from? Beside the fact it's obviously an imaginary portrait (by the style of the armor, I place it late 1500s), it feels wrong, since the shield bears 3 leopards... the traditional device of England and the Plantagenet dynasty... I never heard of an Irish faction using something so similar. Yours truly. --Svartalf 22:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dreadlocks edit...???[edit]

I was looking at the history of the dreadlocks page, and I saw that you edited out a large section of the article about forming dreadlocks. Why? It seemed like an important part, especially for people interested in growing them.TrogdorPolitiks 17:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

German "F*** the Border"[edit]

Just thought I'd let you know, the German on your "F*** the Border" actually means "Crap on the Border". Chastise your transalator, please. And fix it.TrogdorPolitiks 17:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mediating "Charlie Wolf"[edit]

Hello, thanks for contacting me on my talk page. I would still very much appreciate the benefit of your mediation on the Charlie Wolf entry. Cheers! McGonicle 19:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Western Sahara[edit]

Hi, what's the next step in Foreign relations of Western Sahara, is there any solution other than Statu quo. I think that there is no other sources for the 2 lists. I think also that Arre accepted to use the Moroccan list with some reserves. Cheers. Daryou 22:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I personally think that Arabic news is a reliable (but not neutral) source even if it's Pro-Moroccan, They simply can't lie about what Officials said. In the other hand, the SADR list isn't sourced at all. Daryou 23:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


thanks,i dont know where to start,so i have written my comments on the talk page.i have a lot of information relating to WPSU.--Jayanthv86 19:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nagorno Karabakh (2)[edit]

Damn, I was so planning to flirt with you lol. j/k. I am sorry for the mistake man :) That's why I felt uncomfortable telling you the Armenian translation for "Fuck the borders." If you want, I will be happy to tell you now. By the way, what is the whole "Fuck the borders" thing?--TigranTheGreat 22:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's a very cool idea! Ok, so, in Armenian, it would be "Kunem Sahmanner", which is very literal (and very vulgar, mind you;) ). I don't know how to use Armenian fonts, otherwise I would type it in Armenian--TigranTheGreat 23:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Aztec_dreadlocks.gif[edit]

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. --OrphanBot 07:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just want to reiterate: In the effort to tame the nasty jungle that is this article, you've put forward the best idea in months.

I only hope my embracing it doesn't doom its chances for being heard. Once we can agree that different people are using this term for different purposes, everything else falls into place. I'm no longer trying to "whitewash" the article, and those who propose that the term is mainstream aren't using it as a club to assault my religion: we're giving the reader a chance to learn more about the various usages.

People have been insisting that I'm trying to "sanitize" WP, but your proposal crystallized for me WHY this page has been setting off a tripwire for me: the "epithet" usages are being fused with the "people-who-don't-know-much-about-fascism-but-want-to-discuss-that-thing-that-bugs-them-about-Islamic-movements" usage.

If use Islamofascism as a disambig page and allow people to choose from options that distinguish the epithet from the other topics (Epithets about Islamic movements and Islamic authoritarianism per you and Charles), we'll have made a huge leap forward. Thanks again for suggesting this, and for helping me straighten out my thinking on this. Please do keep participating in the discussion. BYT 12:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I know I have Charles to thank, and have already left a message on his talk page to that effect. :) Again, much gratitude. BYT 13:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is just a reminder that the Birmingham meetup of UK Wikipedians that you have expressed an interst in is happening tomorrow. Sorry for the short notice. Thryduulf 15:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Re:Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_17#Category:Kurdistan, there is CIA map here that shows the outline Image:Kurdish_lands_92_cropped.jpg. Arniep 18:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

AIDS reappraisal lock[edit]

Hi Francis. Thanks for locking the AIDS reappraisal article. I'm sure you have lots of more important things going on than monitoring every little post on its talk page, but what to do if we cannot get an agreement for civility from a disputant. The Rod 21:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please don't delete other peoples' talk page messages.[edit]

1. It's not a personal attack in the first place.

2. See WP:RPA - You have no right to delete other peoples' talk page messages if you deem them "offensive" - RPA is not policy and by removing talk page comments that are not yours you are engaging in vandalism. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 19:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps you shouldn't be mainking personal attacks in the first place. --malber 16:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your input, I've responded on your talk page. - FrancisTyers 19:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FrancisTyers, are you sure this response on his talk page actually exists? El_C 01:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Could please explaim in what is going on over there? I have lost track of the page, but am really interested to find out. Thanks in advance! --HolyRomanEmperor 00:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed it does. Thank you! --HolyRomanEmperor 10:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re message on talk page[edit]

Yeah I think you should really, sorry for being a bit terse but I'd just had another admin going around deleting my messages (definitely containing no personal attacks whatsoever, it was because they "weren't constructive") so I was a bit stressed

but anyway yeah if you're going to delete peoples' talk page messages (even though really not a good idea in general) it would be nice to at least tell the people you do it to that you've done it, I noticed it pretty quick but others might not --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Republika Srpska[edit]

I just want to inform you that I accepted compromise. --Emir Arven 00:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have replied on your talk page. - FrancisTyers 00:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am gled too. Thanks for your efforts...--Emir Arven 00:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Theoretical linguistics project live[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Theoretical Linguistics -- Dalbury(Talk) 23:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I copy edited the human rights section in the Sahrawi article into the specific article but I'm not very familiar with endnote in WP. Can you correct my errors please and show me how to do it next time. I made also a proposition in the Talk:Sahrawi. Cheers. Daryou 19:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maybe you can help us to solve dispute in the Šokci article. See: Talk:Šokci for details. Thank you. PANONIAN (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I also voted for keeping Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia. As for the Šokci case, I am kind of neutral in that dispute. I did voted there for one solution, because I think that this solution is better, but I am also not against the other solution. However, Luka and Neo are the opposite sides there, and you should help them to find some compromise (I will not participate in that dispute any more). I just want that dispute is solved as soon as possible, so that the article could be unprotected. I recently collected some information about Šokci and I want to add that into article, and the worst thing is that I cannot do this since the article is protected because of language dispute which is not much connected to Šokci people. So, if you have time, you just should help them to find some compromise solution. PANONIAN (talk) 23:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Y u wrote that when u c that we reached agreement and that page is un-protected. Please erase that immediatly. Thank you! Luka Jačov 12:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry If I was rude:-)! Neoneo13 left the disscussion and Panonian said he wont interefere. Do u use any messangers? Luka Jačov 12:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just changed my mind. After observing carefully edits of user:Luka Jačov I noticed that his goal here is to spread his personal POV in various articles. He just deleting every mention of Serbian and Croatian language in many articles, so it is only his POV. He do not respect the opinion of the millions of people who declare Serbian and Croatian in censuses. Nobody deny to him that he can call his language by what ever name he wants, but he should not to impose his POV to other people, since most of the other people have opposite POV than he. Furthermore, he even changed language boxes on user pages (deleting Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian from them). PANONIAN (talk) 22:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

well i dont expect it to "win" or anything, just want some french speakers to look at it and translate the (small) french text thats there! cheers. Zzzzz 22:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nagorno Karabakh (3)[edit]

Hey there. Samuelian's article is there, number 4 in the footnotes. The footnotes look perfect now, I am so proud of my work, lol.

I hope you don't take Eagle's accusations seriously. You are a very neutral and professional moderator, and everyone knows that.

I see you archived again. How about combining arch5 and arch4? #4 was pretty short. Plus, if you delete all the personal attacks and irrelevance, it will not be as long.

I am too busy right now to actively be on the page, I see there have been some extensive changes, I will look at them later. Cheers.

Could you also delete the "unholy alliance" trash? No need to unnecessarily fill the talk page with such slanders.
"Unholy Alliance" was a section added by an Azeri troll on the talk page. Fadix deleted it. I totally agree with you--no need to respond to personal attacks and irrelevance. I think you should just delete them upfront. Will save us alot of time and space.
Why not combine archives 4 and 5?--TigranTheGreat 12:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's ok, if you don't want to combine the two archives, it's fine. It's ok if you don't want to delete past personal attacks, but I think in the future, it will be best to delete whenever someone posts insults or irrelevant political whining (I think you said a while ago that that was the best way to go). And this applies both to Armenians and Azeris and anyone else. I don't think you should worry about his accusations of being unneutral--your track record is solid proof of your neutrality, you apply the same rules both to Armenians and Azeris, so you can easily debunk any such accusations, and we will all support you. I hope these accusations won't lead you to subconsiously start leaning in the other direction (i.e. being harder on Armenians) :) If you want, I can create a sockpuppet account, post an insult as an Armenian, then you would delete me and confirm that you are super-neutral :) --TigranTheGreat 14:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was talking in general, hypothetically, futuristically:) Nothing about what you have done so far. I got no complaints, I may disagree with you on some occasions, but you have proven your integrity. I think above all you are hardest on yourself, which is expected of course when you assume a moderator's position in a hottly disputed area.--TigranTheGreat 15:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The explanation for my edit war with Luka is simple. Vojvodina province have 6 official languages, and names of these cities are written in those languages. Two of them are Serbian and Croatian. Since Luka do not recognize these 2 languages, he just deleting them from every place where they are mentioned together, as you can see from his edit here:

He also deleted here Slovak and Romanian, but only to hide his true intention (which he explained to me when we spoke on IRC). As for your edit in Sombor, both, Romanian and Slovak are official languages and these ethnic groups are not listed in the ethnic group section because I listed there only groups which are larger than 1% of population, but that does not mean that no Slovaks or Romanians live there. Please revert back to the previous version. PANONIAN (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Hi, thanks for your explanation, can you make it on the talk page too?"

On which one talk page? He edited several articles. I really planed to do something usefull today on Wikipedia, but I suppose I will have to deal with this entire day. If he edit those articles again, I will explain this on the talk pages, ok. PANONIAN (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Please stop removing nationality from the header. It is in the manual of style that it should be included, and we just rejected a proposal to exclude it on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Proposal_on_Nationality. Arniep 16:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re IRC[edit]

Sorry for not providing more explanations. I am moving from Brazil to France as you know (on the 3/2/2006) and my Internet should be cut any moment now. I'll be connected again in France, but my time will be quite limited. I thought giving someone of trust that is often online some extra authority may help keep things smooth.

BTW I'll inform you ASAP about my travel plans after 25/2/2006 so that we can try to arrange a meeting. I'll go to London if I can find some experiment there. --Valmi 18:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


It is not easy to explain with the few words the complex language issue in Vojvodina. I will give you examples of this. Since the region have 6 official languages, it is POV to post alternative names in only one language. Serbian is official language of the country, thus if name of some article about town or village in Vojvodina is only in Serbian it is not POV, but if somebody besides Serbian add just one more name in any other language, it is POV because it imply that this language is more important than other official languages. Thus, every article should to have at least 2 or 3 more alternative names written in other official languages. Second thing, Serbian is official state language, thus, it is most important one, and the Serbian name should be always written first. If you write Serbian and Croatian together then this imply that Croatian have same importance as Serbian, and that is not the case, since the Croatian is official only on the regional level. PANONIAN (talk) 19:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Daryou is causing a fuss again...[edit]

===>This time at Green March Please intervene. Thanks. -Justin (koavf), talk 22:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, thank you for your intervention, Koavf was attacking me personally many times and he didn't apologize. However I posted my comments. Best regards. Daryou 18:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, what's up? :) Daryou 18:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support WS independence?[edit]

Of course! And if you'd had it on your user page (which I'd been to) I would have added it already (only hadn't because I didn't realize there was a template :-) but worry not, it's on there now! I've always found WS to be an interesting story/place... --RaffiKojian 22:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey :)[edit]

Hey again, Francis. I saw your comment on Raffi's talk page, so you must be aware of the voting that's going on on the Armenian Genocide Talk page. Since you are not involved in the article and are quite neutral, your vote will be especially appreciated. I believe the POV tag should be removed, but you can glance at the article and see it for yourself. Thanks in advance.--TigranTheGreat 10:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just a note to say thankyou for your work, its always nice when someone expands a (admittedly atrocious) stub you've made. Are you interested in machine translation evaluation in general? We could do with more articles on the subject :) - FrancisTyers 11:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, sorry for the delay, I've been a bit busy lately. I thank you for the note, it makes me feel my work (if I can call it by that term in this particular case) is actually read by someone! ;) Actually, I wanted to create the page about BLEU myself, but you were a few hours faster, so I just added the bits I wanted to mention myself. I'm afraid machine translation evaluation is not completely my domain; at least not today, as I'm rather a newbie to computational linguistics. But I'll see what I can do! -- Sandius
11:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Francis,

You offered to mediate a dispute for me but I'm not sure how to relodge the new request. So I'll put it here and perhaps you can tell me where to redirect it.

Request made by: Don Benjamin 29 January 2006 (UTC) Where is the issue taking place? Talk: Cancer – Bizarre additions and user talk:Don Benjamin – Cancer evidence Who's involved? User:Jfdwolff, User: Emmanuelm, User: Jellytussle, User David Ruben . What's going on? Deletion of a complete article I had just written by Jfdwolff before I had even completed it. It was added too supply a bit of balance to a very one-sided description of the cancer process. He described it as containing “nothing useful” despite my citing evidence from 8 randomsed trials to support it. He described me as “fluffhead”; the ideas I presented as “fringe medicine”; and I was wasting my time trying to include ideas questioning the current cancer paradigm because the majority of cancer experts do not at present agree. He denied this was censorship. What would you like to change about that? Ideally, all contributors would agree to: accept the rules of scientific evidence, (eg results from randomised trials take precedence over anecdotal evidence, no matter how widely accepted this anecdotal evidence might be) and that no cancer intervention can be assumed to be immune from scientific questioning; refrain from personal abuse by implying that anyone who disagrees with them must be a “fluffhead” and must therefore be espousing “fringe medicine”; take part in contructive debate with scientific examples (as Jellytussle has done); recognise that deletion of complete serious articles that cite sound scientific evidence is contrary to the principles of Wikipedia; recognise differences of opinions as fundamental to scientific discussion. If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you? My talk page is fine. I would appreciate someone who does not have a vested interest in suppressing information to help steer the discussion.

Don Benjamin 21:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Irrelevant rantings.[edit]

Hi Francist. I believe it's best that you delete irrelevant rantings on the talk page, such as Talat's latest "you armenians never had heroes, we gave them to you, ....." It invites comments, I say it's intentionally placed to cause trouble, and it violates the rules of talk page. The page is already hard to load, no reason to fill it with BS.--TigranTheGreat 17:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anarchism Tree[edit]

Oh nvmd, I have inkscape on Linux. I thought the text had been pixelated, that's why I wanted a one with text layers. But the SVG has text, I shuold have known, silly of me. Anyways, thanks :) Infinity0 talk 21:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admin abusing power[edit]

I started a subtopic [1] to better understand the objection some people were making to the anarchist tree on the Talk:Anarchism page. Within that topic I tried to get answers about Sarge Baldy's (and others') position on the tree and tried to reconcile his position (to the extent that he revealed it) with past precedents. However, once I had him trapped in a corner, he kept deleting the subtopic: [2] [3], calling the topic a "worthless troll". (Odd that he only started deleting this totally unworthy topic when it was revealed he's not making sense.) Deleting discussion is unacceptable, especially when he doesn't leave a note that he did so on the page, nor archive it. This is unaccepable behavior on Wikipedia, and I ask that you remind him of this, since you are also an admin. Thank you. MrVoluntarist 03:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would just like to note that I was not "abusing power" because I didn't at any time use admin capabilities. I also stand by the topic as a worthless troll, and as I've already shown it meets the definition of a straw man argument. Sarge Baldy 08:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, that's precisely what you haven't done. And the fact that you were repeatedly trying to purge a topic suggests you may have been willing to invoke admin powers. If you weren't planning, great, but we have to be careful here. MrVoluntarist 14:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This request for arbitration is closed. The Arbitration Committe has imposed the following remedies:

  • Deeceevoice is placed on personal attack parole. She may be briefly blocked if she engages in personal attacks or racially-related incivility, up to a week in the case of repeat violations.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Ryan Delaney talk 04:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the work on this page. The continual political ranting drives me nuts, and I just want to put in a section that says "Post Ranting Here" and leave the rest to people trying to do work. I'm always impressed when people can handle a controversial topic with tact, as you have done. Pschemp | Talk 05:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Silly Mediation request[edit]

I see that you are part of the mediation cabal. Can you take a look at this request here? Npgallery submitted it as revenge because he didn't like the consensus the community reached about his 100+ links being spam, and as I was the one to do most of the removing so he targeted me for this nonsense. Thanks Pschemp | Talk 18:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I do hope you take Pschemp's above remarks as yet another example of her extreme unprofessionalism. I hardly consider it a "silly request", nor "revenge" (she appears to love to play the victim, even though you will see in her numerous comments that she is clearly the aggressor - making claims of spam, engaging in libel and defamation, making personal attacks, and more). It is simply a request for help against the transgressions of a Wikipedia user who is clearly on a personal vendetta, degrading Wikipedia, and who is behaving in a most unprofessional manner. Furthermore, Pschemp has NO right to act as judge, jury, and executioner of verdict (none of which I've received) - yet she embarked on a wanton campaign in removing of links. The only method to her madness was to remove links I had added - no others received any consideration from her (you'll see that some other users and admins removed or debated the removal/(re)addition of other links). She is NOT an admin. Npgallery 19:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. You are truly a mediator. I'm impressed with your neutralness and tact. I have been slightly more emotional, for which I apologize, however, you are a great example to learn from. pschemp | talk 05:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why did you revert my edit? Altau 01:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, never got it[edit]

Thanks for telling me though! Great to hear that they aren't vandalising Wikipedia :-) That's all we want to know! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re, WS[edit]

Hi Francis! What's the next step in the Green March mediation process? Cheers. Daryou 17:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not the first time that it happens: Koavf don't feel any need to discuss as long as his own version is displayed and protected. Daryou 18:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It would be better if you leave him a note in his talk; it would be more effective. Daryou 19:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Koavf broke the 3RR here, cheers. Daryou 20:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't understand! Koavf broke the 3RR and you encourage him by protecting his own version?! Daryou 21:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Was there any consensus in the talk page abot Koavf's version? Daryou 21:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There was 2 editors: Resio then Koavf since this evening. They changed the wording without any discussion eccept in the edit summaries, they begun this war, not me. Why are they right in this case?! I guess that if I was the first to make the change, the situation would be completely different. Daryou 21:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I apologize too, I just deleted a negatif comment about this dispute, Best regards. Daryou 21:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Compromise needed[edit]

Ruđer Bošković - a compromise urgently needed here. --HolyRomanEmperor 23:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on Advertising[edit]

The Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Wikipedia, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Wikipedia in the Wikipedia namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Wikipedia history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Wikipedia altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Wikipedia namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 00:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


This made my day :)

Hello again, please outline where I have accepted unsourced claims given by Armenians (as a bonus point out where I did it with great enthusiasm).

Pretty funny :)

Thank you for your work on the Armenian Genocide page. I have been too busy to participiate in discussions there and on NK page, but I made comparisons between your edits and the page itself (on AG), and I think the changes are good.

I finally got around to finding Armenian fonts. Guess how :) Just went to the Armenian alphabet page. lol, I know, the response is "duh," for some reason I hadn't thought of it. Anyway, here it is. It sounds "Kunem sahman@." It literally means [I want to] fuck the border. This is very offensive in Armenian, I am still feeling uncomfortable just typing it, but since you wanted, here it is

Քունեմ սահմանը:

I havn't looked really at the NK page, I will later, but I am sure it's going well--you set the process in good tracks when you got involved back in December.
By the way, what is your ethnic background if you don't mind? I looked at your webcam shot, and you look more from "southern" parts of Europe than "northern" such as native-born Englishmen.--TigranTheGreat 23:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah so you were born in the Queen's Medical Center? Does that mean you could be the next heir;)? By the way, as an Armenian, the concept of dual nationality is of great interest to me (it's one of the political topics in Armenian politics). When you are a dual citizen, whom do you pay taxes--Ireland, or Britain? And if you are drafted by, say, Britain, do you have to serve there, or you can just move to Ireland? And can you vote in elections of both countries? Sounds like alot of conflict of interest.
By the way, Francis, how old are you? I generally expected admins here to be old, but your web-shot portrays you as young.--TigranTheGreat 22:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm, very interesting about dual nationality, I always wondered how it worked.
I was making fun of Eagle when I told him I was Estonian. When he annoyed me with his whining "you are Armenian fundamentalist terrorist fascist vegeterianist etc," I just told him "I am Estonian" to shut him up. I am actually Armenian, born in the great country of Armenia :) --TigranTheGreat 07:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Schizophrenia article mediation[edit]

Hi Francis,

Thanks for helping with the mediation concerning the schizophrenia article. Just a note to say my response has been added to the talk page.

Thanks, - Vaughan 10:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trade union structure[edit]

Hi Francis. I was following your discussion re "Impact of unions", and wanted to compliment you on your moderation of the conversation. As for the structure changes I made yesterday: I'm more than happy to have them changed/adjusted as we keep working on this thing. I know that's assumed, but I just wanted to touch base. I didn't get to "types of unions", but I thought that might evolve in the "Diversity of international unions" and "unions in the world" sections, as they are written. cheers.--Bookandcoffee 18:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey, thanks for the pointer to the Wikiproject, I'll join. you're at at EA doing a linguistics MA? i'm a 3rd year linguistics undergrad at ucl. Cadr 10:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah I'm planning on doing a masters, probably stay at UCL but I might go abroad. Are you thinking of doing a PhD? Cadr 11:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please help with wage labour[edit]

I just started wage labour. Please help if you can. Thanks! Infinity0 talk 23:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I hope the article eventually explains what the term means and why it's unique to capitalism, a feat none of you have yet accomplished on the Talk:Capitalism page! MrVoluntarist 00:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Confederation of Trade Unions[edit]

Hi Francis. When you have a minute, would you look at Confederation of Trade Unions? I ran across it while creating Confederation of Trade Unions (Albania). I think it should be moved to Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions, as noted on the talk page, but I can't do it as the page already exists. No rush - I just thought I'd make the general page into a disambig page without using extra redirects or {{Redirect}}. Thanks. --Bookandcoffee 03:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Will you explain me why you reverted my last edit? Will you explain me why you never blamed Koavf for his personal attacks? Daryou 23:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just removed redundant and irrelevant information. There is a real need to reword and source many sentences. The article in its actual version is totally POV. HR organisation don't have the monopoly of the truth and the lastest reports of AI say that the situation is more and more better since the 1990's; this have to be showen in the article. Copy editing the whole HRW report doesn't help: WP isn't Thanks. Daryou 23:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Estonian and stuff[edit]

By the way Francis, given that you took the "Estonian" thing literally, I wonder if you now think that Eupator is actually my father in law:) If you are confused about it, let me know, I will explain :) --TigranTheGreat 01:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ay ay ay, and you Brits accuse Americans of not knowning things ;) Tigranes II made an anti-Roman alliance with the king of Pontus, Mithrdates VI Eupator, which was confirmed by Tigranes marrying Eupator's daughter Cleopatra. The later backstabbed him by organizing a revolt (and instigated their son against his father!), but luckily Tigran The Great put them all in their places. As you can see, despite his great military achievements, he wasn't too successful in his family. The eternal dilemma of us men--balancing our job and our women--TigranTheGreat 02:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Arm. Genocide.[edit]

Francis, why don't you add the versions you wanted, and then if someone has reasonable objections, they can work from there. Otherwise, maybe out of lazyness, maybe out of whatever, your changes won't be implemented, the article wont' be as neutral, the quality will stay down, and these folks will keep fighting among each other. I am not involved much with that article, otherwise I would do it.--TigranTheGreat 23:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Francis, I'll put this up on the discussion page, but FYI I made those five edits you listed originally - including ones about the Turks. Hope we can get the tag lifted soon. John Smith's 01:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anti-religious mass crimes in the Soviet Union[edit]

Francis, "The year of the "Great Purge" and the following year 1938 were the hardest for the clergy and laymen - 200 000 repressed and 100 000 executed. Each second priest was shot." I'm not an expert and I wanted to be careful, so I haven't quoted such numbers. Other links: The curerent version of "Religious organisations" in the "Soviet Union" article is extremely biased and disgusting. I don't understand why do you defend such lies. You do revisonism, exatly like David Irving.

A quote from the Library of Congress, used in "Religion in the Soviet Union": As for the Russian Orthodox Church, Soviet authorities have sought to control it and, in times of national crisis, to exploit it for the regime's own purposes; but their ultimate goal has been to eliminate it. During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled. Believers were harassed and persecuted. Most seminaries were closed, and publication of most religious material was prohibited. By 1941 only 500 churches remained open out of about 54,000 in existence prior to World War I.

I'm sorry about my poor English. I had to learn Russian at school. Does it make you better than me? Xx236 08:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can get it confirmed via consulting other Bengali language speakers, like SameerKhan (talk · contribs) , Shmitra (talk · contribs), Dwaipayanc (talk · contribs). :) --Ragib 22:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its a good translation, but you should know that is not literal, though conveys the meaning well enough. --ppm 16:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

TS Mediation[edit]

Francis, no response for 3 days on the Tourette syndrome mediation: there were many more recurring issues to cover. I didn't need mediation help over two sentences; rather, the big picture. What next ? Sandy 00:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Francis. Thanks for the message. Yes, we appear to have made progress, but I'm concerned about the items we haven't had a chance to address. On the five original issues, we've gotten to two: 1. Clean up talk page, and 2. Deal with marijuana/Marinol.
Two other items are partially addressed: 3. Provide guidance regarding ongoing problem with vanity entries. (We got to external links, but have gotten no response; and haven't yet gotten to discuss the other vanity entries.) 4. It would help if Unsigned would start an account. (Account was started, which should help, but yesterday, edits were made by anon.)
5. Orientation about Wikipedia, principles and pillars, encyclopedic tone. (This was really the most important goal of the mediation, and we haven't yet gotten to address that.) I'm hoping Anon will respond on the Talk page so that we can deal with the remaining issues, but if not, should I go ahead and delete the external links we discussed? Or should I wait a week for respnse? Sandy 12:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Francis, thanks for the info on subst:anon. I'll use it, but the IP address seems to rotate weekly, and I don't believe Anon reads those talk pages, and I've not been successful in getting Anon to respond to talk pages in the past. Rather than wasting your time now on the other issues, which have been cleaned up on edit so far, should I just let you know if another situation arises, and we can deal with it then? I don't want to delete the External links yet, and I'd rather give it some time to see if Anon responds. I don't want to ruffle feathers unnecessarily over such a small item. I'd rather save good will for working on the more important items, should they again arise. Sandy 15:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Francis. I'll try to get some productive work done on the article now :-) Sandy 15:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Armenian Genocide article[edit]

Can you use one section to present all your issues with the article only for that use? Maybe in my userspace or yours? Or a section the the articles talk page, which we would either place at top of the talk page, or at the bottom and that we could always edit the page to place it always on the botom of every posts? This way they will not get lost with the rest of the posts. Regards Fad (ix) 16:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiProject Former Yugoslavia[edit]

Fran, WikiProject Former Yugoslavia is now up and running. You are invited to come and participate! --dcabrilo 23:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Francis. Thanks for including my proposals to RFC page. I think you slightly misunderstood what the dispute is about. This is not about Rokhlin, Rodionov and Rokhlin are two different persons. Igor Rodionov, the Minister of Defense of Russia at the time, officially confirmed the arms transfer in 1994 – 96. Since he confirmed only the transfer of arms that took place after the ceasefire, Tigran thinks that this info should not be included in the article. I think that this is very relevant and important info, and should be included in the article. As for Rokhlin's lobbying, I don’t mind inclusion, if it is supported by proper evidences. If some journalist in Armenia says that he lobbied, it does not mean he did. I think that a proper evidence should be presented. For example I have an article from Russian press, that suggest that Rokhlin could be killed by Armenian secret service. I can include that as well, but I don’t think it’s gonna improve the quality of the article. In my opinion the dispute should be desribed something like:

There is a general dispute as to if to include information about Igor Rodionov, the Minister of Defense of Russia at the time, officially confirming the arms transfer from Russia to Armenia in 1994 – 96, after the ceasefire.

Regards, Grandmaster 12:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I corrected formulation of the dispute for now, so that people could get a clear understanding of what the dispute is about, you can improve the wording if you deem necessary. Grandmaster 13:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

advice needed please[edit]

Hi Francis, I found you at Mediation_Cabal & chose to contact you because it seems that you live in Britain & would like be aware of British controversies in the media. I've been writing UK Islamist demonstration outside Danish Embassy but a conflict is developing with another editor. I don't believe we need to go through a formal mediation process yet. We're just not communicating very well at the moment. I think having an impartial administrator, reading & occasionally commenting on what occurs could be really helpful at this early stage. If you could give both of us a little informal advice, I'd really appreciate it. Veej 19:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

language quotes[edit]

hi there, i was just passing by your user page and i read the quotes about the language/dialect distinction. Here is one more, by a greek professor (but i can't remember his name, sorry): "the only difference between a language and a dialect is that the former has an army". cool, init?

I've heard a similar one: "A language is a dialect with a flag." —Nightstallion (?) 11:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi. I recently nominated myself for adminship. I would appreciate it if you voted and/or commented. Thanks! Infinity0 talk 20:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, right. Thanks for the heads up, anyway. But not even a quick comment? :P Infinity0 talk 20:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moldovan language[edit]

what's your problem? if you don't handle the topic very well, fine. But don't fill my user talk page for this reason with your harassment tactics.

I knwo better than you for sure what's all about I can bet with you anytime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moldoveanu (talkcontribs) 16:03, 1 March 2006

Is this really ok? He tags articles at random with the category. See the category (although I recently removed turkish provinces) it is still over loaded with stuff not remotely relevant to kurdistan such as a restourant in germany. --Cool CatTalk|@ 17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is clearly unreasonable (although I couldn't find references to the restaurant). I don't know quite what we can do about this. The consensus clearly is to keep the category (if I remember correctly from the CfD), but we are still without a concrete definition of what it should include. Perhaps we could devise some kind of list on the talk page of appropriate entries? - FrancisTyers 18:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Let me input what I think about Kurdistan and how it should appear on wikipedia
  1. Firstly Kurdistan (land of the kurds/lands kurds own) is a proposed country with undefined/changing borders and hence is inaproporate.
  2. I would prefer a category someting like "Category:Kurdish inhabited regions".
  3. I really feel if we are going to have a kurdistan category at all, its borders should have some official definition otherwise we will have more User:Muhamed cases.
    • There is a kurdistan in Iraq (it technicaly does not exist yet as the consitiution of iraq needs ratification)
    • There is a politicaly unrelated one in Iran.
      • These two should be treated in two diferent categories as they are two different entities.
    • Wikipedia articles claim there is a kurdistan in Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan) as well as Syria (Syrian Kurdistan)
      • This is just someones pov even if it is sourced, local governments have millitary and political control and do not recognise a kurdistan.
  4. We had a {{Kurdistan}} and a similar template is {{France}}. I have recently moved it to {{Kurds}}. Kurdistan was treated like a country before I interfered.
  5. We even have {{Kurdistan-stub}} (has the kurdish flag just like {{France-stub}}). Kurdistan is treated like a country yet again.
  6. If kurdistan is a geo cultural region its articles should only talk about kurdish culture.
    • There is little to no mention of kurdish culture on current articles in the kurdistan serries.
    • Mostly articles only contain repeative information copy pasted from wikipedia articles regarding how much kurds are opressed. And articles mostly/only talk about how much kurds are opressed (weather they are opressed or not is not ours to decide)
    • Articles also contain information on unsuccesfull kurdish rebelions (and portrays these as nations).
So what do you think of my points? --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really value your insight. --Cool CatTalk|@ 23:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Kurdistan[edit]

Hmm... I just think the article is pointless. Cited or not this articles real content already exists under history of kurds, stand alone there isnt much to write about as countries did not exist long enough for anything interesting. I hence ask you to reconsider your vote. --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Soviet censorship[edit]

If you have something to say about the SU, do it in the Discussion area, don't play a policeman. I'm not a gangster. The text Soviet Union is bad. The part Religious organisations is very bad. You don't care about the truth. I don't understand your motivation. Would you please explain me, why you prefer Soviet propaganda? Why do you insult millions of Soviet victims? Xx236 10:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is recent article "Soviet Union" and I criticize this one, not the one of 2004. You defend this text. Do you mean that you have proved in an old discussion there was a separation of the state and church? WOW! I asked about your motivation. Do you love to humilate millions of victims? Xx236 11:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You don't have knowledge to discuss the problem of religion in the Soviet Union but you continue to do it. According to your logic Irving has the same right to defend Hitler like the Jews to criticize him. Remeber you don't play a computer game, but you play with millions of Soviet victims. Xx236 11:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have searched the Archive and the only one discussion about "Religious groups" is about the post-Soviet situation rather than about the SU itself. I precize my point once more - "Religious groups" don't summarize the article "Religion in the SU". My comments in SU:Discussion are ignored or comments are about religions, not about religions in the SU, my edits are removed. After several weeks I have enough. Xx236 13:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SU Discussion[edit]

I find it hard to believe that there is no mention of persecutions when the article explicitly mentions persecutions. I think a more careful reading of the article would allay some of your worries that some aspects of the Soviet Union aren't covered appropriately. I would encourage you to make specific complaints about sections of the article. - FrancisTyers 19:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC) The article Religion in the Soviet Union, but not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union calls extermination - separation. When KGB nominated Orthodox bishops it's not "separation" but styate control over the Orthodox church. Xx236 12:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Xx236 13:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]