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Nice work, had to reword some of the text to avoid copyright violations. Some of the text was the exact same wording as from: heritage.org.nz/the-list/details/98 Regards

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Thanks @Hughesdarren: E James Bowman (talk) 07:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Diannaa. As far as I'm aware, the content I added wasn't copied and was rewritten in my own words. I've gone to the article edit history which says you've removed 501 characters, but I can't link through the usual (cur | prev) to review what I wrote. What have you removed? Do you know why (cur | prev) isn't linking? E James Bowman (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Diannaa. RD1 states: Best practices for copyrighted text removal can be found at WP:Copyright problems and should take precedence over this criterion. E James Bowman (talk) 08:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks DanCherek. E James Bowman (talk) 04:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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In citation templates, you need to use the page parameter if you want to refer to a single page, or pages if you refer to more than one page. Hence, pages=148 is wrong. Not a biggie; just so you know. Schwede66 23:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks bro. I did know that. Slip of the mouse sorry. E James Bowman (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain

Hi,

When an editor reverts your bold move, please don't reimplement it; this is actually a form of edit warring. Instead, please open a move request. In addition, it is generally good practice to open a move request for any move that is likely to be controversial even if it isn't reverted; any move involving moving an article from or to a dual name is likely to be controversial.

As such, please revert your repeated move to this target and open a move request. BilledMammal (talk) 23:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi BilledMammal, as you know, I moved seven of the 14 Tūpuna Maunga articles over the last day to bring their naming conventions in line with six others, which reflect the Auckland Council's (reserve managers) and Tūpuna Maunga Authority's (administrators) multiple websites, brochures, signage and maps that help the public access the 14 maunga which have been owned by the Tāmaki Collective of 13 iwi and hapū since 2014. Some of the naming conventions reflect gazetted name changes, some have been arrived at over the last eight years. Most are now commonly used on Google Maps, Google and recent sources like mainstream media. (The three maunga with dual Māori names didn't have their name changed officially in 2014, their signs use dual Māori names now, council uses three names, the media tend to use the main Māori name plus the English one. I used the dual Māori names in the title – to help people reading signs – and all three names in the article body).

Unfortunately, you reverted all six moves without discussion. I hadn't noticed you had reverted Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain as I was busy moving the others at the time. You moved so quickly, I just thought I hadn't done Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain yet. The other moves you reverted are: Mount Albert (New Zealand), Mount Richmond, Puketāpapa, Mount Smart, Mount Saint John (New Zealand) and North Head, New Zealand. I also planned to move Mount Victoria (Auckland) before I noticed what you were doing.

The articles for the other six Tūpuna Maunga, that have already been moved, merged or created by others are: Matukutūruru, Maungakiekie / One Tree Hill, Maungarei, Maungawhau / Mount Eden, Ōhinerau / Mount Hobson and Te Tātua a Riukiuta. Some of the moves have had move requests, some were just edits.

I'm happy to open move requests for the other eight if they are likely to have support. Turnagra, Schwede66, Gadfium, Murray Langton, Prosperosity, Haminoon, Aircorn and Egroeg5, I see you've supported Tūpuna Maunga moves previously. Are you likely to support eight more? You can see the moves I'm proposing in the article's recent history.

E James Bowman (talk) 03:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd likely support, Mr Bowman, but would need to look at the evidence first. Schwede66 03:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

It would be worth reading our guideline on article naming; official usage is not useful for establishing what Wikipedia would call an article. In addition, I would advise against pinging editors you consider likely to support such a move; it is called canvassing, and we have a policy that forbids it. The fact you have done so already will cause procedural issues with any related move request that you hold in the immediate future.

For now, I have reverted Pigeon Mountain again myself. BilledMammal (talk) 03:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I tautoko Schwede's comment - I'd also note that BilledMammal has reimplemented their own bold moves in the past (or opposed their reversion), so it seems strange to be calling you out for the same thing here. Turnagra (talk) 05:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

BilledMammal has reimplemented their own bold moves - do you have an example? I do not remember doing that. BilledMammal (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

BilledMammal, some of the moves I made were away from official names (eg Mt Albert), some were to official names (eg Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain). As per WP article title criteria, my objectives are recognisability by using the names that are commonly used online and offline, consistency with the other Tūpuna Maunga article names, and precision by moving away from names shared with suburbs and a sports stadium. As established on previous moves, dual names often provide naturalness and concision in New Zealand. Sometimes single names are more appropriate. I used both.

Ngā mihi Schwede66 and Turnagra.

E James Bowman (talk) 05:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, I thought you had - you've just repeatedly blocked others from carrying out the reversions you're asking for, and done it on multiple occasions with article content instead of titles. Turnagra (talk) 19:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, I've rewritten the deleted info. E James Bowman (talk) 01:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hi James, I just want to talk here because I get the impression this is something that is going to carry on elsewhere if I don’t address it. You continue to refer to Māori names being “regained” or returning in some way. I find this troublesome, as it implies that Māori people or the Māori language stopped existing for some period.

Most recently you changed Auckland Domain to say that the volcano (maunga) “regained” the name Pukekawa. It is my read of the situation that the Māori name has existed all along, but has finally been governmentally recognised as the official English name. The hill clearly hasn’t had an official name before, so I assume you’re not trying to say that. Maybe you can clarify what your intended point of view is here, because I don’t want to have the same conversation at every turn. — HTGS (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I’ve rewritten the accounts in both Auckland Domain and Tūpuna Maunga o Tāmaki Makaurau, removing ‘regained’ when referring to official names. E James Bowman (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

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The Scandrett Regional Park source you're referring to is a booklet published by Auckland Council, which, as stated in the booklet, was written by historian Graeme Murdoch, with stated sources and acknowledgements. My family and I contributed to later parts of the booklet. You are yet to provide evidence that the booklet spelling is incorrect. If you Google 'Ōmaha and Mahurangi block' you can see various other reliable sources using this spelling, including NZ Parliament's 'Ngāti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill, Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei Claims Settlement Bill — Procedure, First Readings'. E James Bowman (talk) 20:48, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey, excuse me for butting in, but I just had a read through this, and while the IP editor here is way out of line—trying to resolve an apparently unrelated content dispute via accusations of COI, and taking it to COIN without talking to you first—you should probably acknowledge your Cs of I, whether on your user page or the article’s talk page. And, if I’m reading the situation correctly, you should avoid further editing to the family history section directly. — HTGS (talk) 03:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion HTGS. I've added a voluntary disclosure to the article's talk page. E James Bowman (talk) 06:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Removing edits in their entirety

Hi E James Bowman. Please in future rather than entirely reverting and/or removing the work of other editors that you think there may be an issue with, try and make the necessary changes or adjustments. This is far more constructive and helpful to building a better platform. Helper201 (talk) 07:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The burden is on you to make edits according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style, not other editors. Your recent addition to 2020 New Zealand cannabis referendum still goes against MOS:QUOTE While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, try not to overuse them. Using too many quotes is incompatible with an encyclopedic writing style and may be a copyright infringement. It is generally recommended that content be written in Wikipedia editors' own words. Consider paraphrasing quotations into plain and concise text when appropriate (while being aware that close paraphrasing can still violate copyright). E James Bowman (talk) 07:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Why take on the "burden" of removing it when the same time and energy could be placed into fixing it? And how is one single quote "overuse"? It’s literally one quote that is not even a full sentence. In no way this an example of an overly long quote, misuse or copyright infringement. Helper201 (talk) 07:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

It would have taken more time and energy to fix your edit than point out the issues with it. Thanks for going back and fixing them. E James Bowman (talk) 08:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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Correct. E James Bowman (talk) 07:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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All my edits are constructive. And in the case of this article they reflect the article sources and the article itself. I've detailed this on the article Talk page. E James Bowman (talk) 07:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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All my edits are constructive. You reverting with no discussion is disruptive. I have raised three topics in Talk about your reverting. You have raised none about my edits.

1. This edit was added before I read your misdirected objection to HuffPost. I have since responded on Talk.

2. The content is supported by the photo in the source. I have not objected to you removing that edit.

3. I didn't make that edit.

Please try to be more constructive. E James Bowman (talk) 06:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I added links to examples of fixes I made to some of what appear to be disruptive edits - I have also removed content unsupported by the source it is cited to, other unreliably-sourced content, weasel words, puffery, and what appears to be promotional content. Please review my edit summaries and let me know if you have questions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

• To clarify, here is a more-detailed review of recent edits to help explain my concerns:

• [4] 23:37, 31 March 2023 text added with the edit summary "Added New Zealand Human Rights Commission perspective." When I reviewed this source, I edited the article to clarify the context and attribution (it is an opinion article) and removed what appears to be unsourced content, but also attempted to preserve the gist of what you had added by including quotes [5] from the source.
• [6] 00:09, 1 April 2023 text added with the edit summary "expanded with relevant info from sources including context and Keen's intentions." When I reviewed this source, it seemed clear that this attempt to add context could be misread as 1) Keen told the BBC that the billboard was in response to the UK asking for views on revisions to the UK Gender Recognition Act, and 2) that the 2004 Gender Recognition Act 'would make it easier for people to legally change their gender'. The source does not appear to support either aspect, so I removed it with an edit summary noting it was unsourced [7].
• [8] 01:17, 1 April 2023 text added with the edit summary "Added "adult human female" info and restructured for flow." When I reviewed this addition, I noticed several issues. One issue was the addition of content from non-RS WP:METRO, so I removed it [9]. I also moved content to the relevant section, attempted to refer to MOS:WEASEL (misspelled) in my edit summary, and 'copyedited' according to the source, to both add information from the source and to remove information that was not supported by the source [10]. Then I realized after reviewing sources that content you had added about 't-shirts' was not supported, so I also removed that [11].
• [12] 01:53, 1 April 2023 text added to the first part of the Biography section with the edit summary "Feminist agreement." I initially edited this to remove the Twitter source and copyedit according to the reference [13] (e.g. the source refers to Shaneel Lal as a "Rainbow community leader", so "Queer activist" appears to be unsupported) and added a quote that seemed more clear than 'not a feminist'; however, this appeared to be WP:UNDUE, especially in the intro section, so I removed it [14].
• [15] 05:02, 1 April 2023 text added with the edit summary "Keen's Gender Recognition Act 2004 views". I removed the content sourced to WP:HUFFPO and referenced the article Talk discussion [16] in my edit summary. Then I removed "youtube/WP:PROMO" [17]. At 06:26, 1 April 2023‎, you restored the disputed content from the "youtube/WP:PROMO," but without an inline source [18]. This content has been discussed at the article Talk page in a discussion you began at 03:18, 1 April 2023 and I responded to, including at 04:35, 1 April 2023 identifying issues with sources and noting one source that currently seemed usable; discussion continues at another article Talk page section that you opened at 05:53, 1 April 2023. I have removed the unsourced content [19] and continued to discuss this at the article Talk [20], but I think what had been discussed at the article Talk about the 2023 NZ Herald source seeming usable had already been clear, but discussion can of course also continue.
• [21] lead text added/changed at 06:31, 1 April 2023 with edit summary "Simplified intro." I removed this as unsupported WP:PUFFERY [22] because sources do not appear to describe Keen as engaged in the scale of activity described in the wikilink and the lead should reflect the article content, which is 'billboards, posters, and stickers, and social media', and not use wikilinks that may inadvertantly communicate more than the available sources.

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I've appreciated you rewording info I've added from legitimate sources where you've felt the need. I haven't appreciated you deleting info based on your interpretation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines with no discussion on my interpretation. I'd more than happy to respond to your opinions above if you gave them in the article's talk page where other editors have a chance to discuss them also. E James Bowman (talk) 03:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to collaborate with you and everyone else involved with the article, within the boundaries of the applicable policies and guidelines as I understand them. This is a biography of a living person (which is already a contentious topic area) also within the contentious topic area gender-related disputes and controversies, so taking particular care and caution is warranted (see e.g. WP:BLPRS).

The article is also under a consensus-required restriction ("Changes challenged by reversion may not be reinstated without affirmative consensus on the talk page"), so it is similar to the bold, revert, discuss cycle, but not optional. This article's Talk page is also active with multiple editors participating, so while I have not been able to participate as much as I would otherwise prefer, there are avenues to discuss proposals and generate consensus.

I have recently reverted some of your recent additions based on WP:RSOPINION and restored a reference and content because the link is not dead (a dead link is also not a reason to remove a cite, per WP:SOURCEACCESS and WP:KDL) - this can be discussed further on the article Talk page (but there is no need to ping me, because the page is on my watchlist). Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 05:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

As I've just replied in the article Talk, while you have been constructive in editing some improvements I and others have made to this article, you also seem to be WP:STONEWALLING certain content by reverting on procedural grounds. I've experienced this multiple times when adding clarity or notable information on Keen's objections to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and its proposed reforms, as I've outlined in four topics in the article's Talk section. E James Bowman (talk) 05:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for that. I've expanded the Western Springs Reserve gallery and removed that photo. E James Bowman (talk) 07:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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Charles III requested move discussion

There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. E James Bowman (talk) 23:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay

Golden Bay Air are holding some seats for us until 21 November

Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in Golden Bay / Mohua! Details are on the meetup page. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

Golden Bay is hard to get to and the airline flying into Tākaka uses small planes, so we are holding some seats from and to Wellington and we are offering attendees a $200 travel subsidy to help with costs.

Be in touch with Schwede66 if this event interests you and you'd like to discuss logistics. Schwede66 09:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Enjoy. E James Bowman (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Ōwairaka

Hi there, the source I used on the Mount Albert suburb page lists suburbs or neighbourhoods and if they have an established reo Maaori name, uses that as well (e.g. Grafton has nothing, but Parnell has Panēra). I'm happy to add more sources that specifically call Mount Albert suburb the suburb Ōwairaka, if you want. It's exceedingly frustrating that there's a suburb with the same name next to it. --Prosperosity (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I see what you mean. I think it'd be good to add another source that's a bit more explicit for people like me not familiar with that website. Ngā mihi. E James Bowman (talk) 04:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about this? I've added an additional note to the page. --Prosperosity (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that works well, although I can't read the Te Ao Māori News article in te reo Māori, so I don't know if it refers to the suburb or not. It seems to be a story about the maunga. Perhaps a Māori language source isn't appropriate for an English WP page? Ngā mihi. E James Bowman (talk) 06:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

A Māori language source is perfect for showing usage in Māori! The article is about the tree felling controversy, and describes the Mount Albert (suburb)-based protestors from Honour the Maunga protestors as te hunga noho kāinga ki Ōwairaka. --Prosperosity (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. And Meri Kirihimete. E James Bowman (talk) 21:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)