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OH MY GOD, I cannot believe the state of that article. I'm going to have to steel myself for that one... Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • We actually watched a bit of that season. Soul patrol! Drmies (talk) 03:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Yeah it's bad. Funny: that must have been the last season I paid attention to, but I remember a bunch of it. I kind of liked Daughtry, and McPhee was cute. I liked Yamin too. Oh, Pickler, haha, she was funny in that cute Southern way. Raised by her grandpa, or something. well, good luck with it! Drmies (talk) 03:06, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I gave up after Adam Lambert lost (maybe season 8?) I’m doing these seasons in order, so season 4 is up next. The first 4 season articles were nowhere near as bad as these ones starting with season 5. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • There's a kind of working group for the Eurovision Song Contest; they've been organized for years. I don't agree with all they prescribe but at least it's organized. Well, working on such an important cultural phenomenon, you really have an opportunity to Make A Difference® here! Drmies (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Uncommunicative IP editor returns

Hey there,

You recently blocked an IP user (following an ANI post by @StarScream1007:). They appear to have returned with a different IP and the same behavior. I noticed familiar behavior by @ at Steven Stamkos (diff: [1]). I'm pretty new to this (Wikipedia editing, and dealing with such a persistent yet uncommunicative editor), and would appreciate any help or guidance. Thanks! Wracking 💬 02:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Drmies, I hope you're well. I wanted to let you know that this editor is back, editing both with their IP(s) and an account (User:Gymrat16). It's hard to keep track of their edits, but they may be edit warring at this point, particularly at Nikita Kucherov. They've responded to notes about their edits, but not changed their behavior. Wracking 💬 03:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK--this and this clinch it. I warned them too--they're headed for a block if they don't figure it out. Drmies (talk) 12:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi again. This is block evasion, no? Thanks for all you do. Wracking 💬 12:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi again (again). Thanks for your diligence. They now appear to be at IP Special:Contributions/2600:1007:b03c:a189::/64 and Special:Contributions/2601:408:c181:8000::/51 making the same or similar edits.
Example diffs – first IP: [2] [3], second IP: [4] [5]. Thanks! Wracking talk! 22:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. What fun. Drmies (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could you take a look at the article and the RfC on the Talk page? I've gotten to the point where I can't discuss anything with the passive-aggressive-not-a-new-user Imagritte. Anyway, the article is out of control because of the user's insistence that everything in the French article must be in the English version. One of the things I used to admire about the French was their love of argument. After all, I'm a rather argumentative fellow, so it felt comfortable, like I was more French than American. No matter how much my French friends and I argued, unlike many Americans, it never got personal. It was partly liking argument purely for argument's sake and partly fleshing things out where you might change the other person's mind, at least a little. This user isn't at all like my friends, although who knows how much Wikipedia and written interaction affect the dynamics. If you're willing to look into it, bon courage! --Bbb23 (talk) 16:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Well, they don't seem to be part of this, so that's a start. Drmies (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I guess the odds of them editing an article also edited by someone I just blocked aren't all that slim. I calculated that I placed 3,500 blocks the last academic year. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • You count your blocks by academic year? You've lost all perspective on the real world...which may be a good thing. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 20:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Haha, I wrote it up under "service" in my annual work plan. ;) I placed a note on that talk page, and declined a draft of theirs. I love me some good enthusiasm, but sheesh--so many editors come here and enact the bull in a china shop routine. Speaking of French, the filet mignon was on sale, for Mother's Day I presume (?), so Rosie and I ate one. I had forgotten how delicious that is. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • I used to eat filet mignon when I was a kid. My mother bought meat wholesale from a supplier that provided meat to some of the better restaurants in town, so we were spoiled. I no longer eat red meat, though. I don't know how often you unblock someone, but maybe you could put that under, um, publications in your plan.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sockpuppeting case

Just so you know, it appears as though the editor Tonitorrent is a sockpuppet of Iliochori2. The account was setup just a few days ago, and it has only made edits to pages very actively edited by Iliochori2, using almost identical language, updates, and techniques. I just wanted to make you aware of this, as Iliochori2 is current banned from editing in the mainspace. Anwegmann (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • OK--but where do I come in? Drmies (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • My apologies. I know that you have focused on sockpuppetry in the past, so I thought that you'd be a good admin to make aware of this. The situation has been handled, however. I didn't mean to bring you into something unnecessarily. My apologies if it came across as such. Anwegmann (talk) 19:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • No apology necessary, Anwegmann, but this is not something that I have any familiarity with. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DYK for Maria de Knuijt

Updated DYK query.svg

On 15 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maria de Knuijt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to scholarship published in 2023, Maria de Knuijt, rather than her husband, was actually the main patron of Dutch painter Johannes Vermeer (work pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maria de Knuijt. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Maria de Knuijt), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC) Reply[reply]

May songs
Broad apple tree towards forest, Ehrenbach.jpg
my story today

Thank you for your share of the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unhelpful edit summaries

Hey Drmies. I have noticed that Dionis08 makes innapropriate comments towards other editors in edit summaries. They have several warnings about disruptive editing on their tp, but it seems that their edit summaries are even worse than the edits themselves. Comments of the kind of "Stop editing this page to compensate for your small wee wee","???????? Stop editing the page", "You may chomp down on my balls my good sir, stop editing the page ffs", "keep it like this ffs you guys are making me get a brain tumor", "Silly bot reverted my edit" ("silly bot" is a long-term editor). Given the large-scale disruptive editing and the edit summaries, I wonder whether the editor is ready to give a positive contribution to those articles or not. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • That's a fair question. Well, they're blocked now, and one wonders how long they'll be here when that block runs out. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Indeed, I doubt they will be around for long. You deleted an edit summary, but maybe that one too should be deleted. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I thought about it, but it's his own stupid balls he's talking about--a bit less disruptive, though no less stupid. Drmies (talk) 21:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you!

Howdy, I just wanted to stop by and say I appreciate your work.

I stumbled across a revision you made on David Petraeus and thought you deserved to hear this!

That's all, 'till next time. R. J. Dockery (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mind taking a look at this draft about a Dutch TV series? I don't have access to some of the sources and the ones I can review are somewhat standard coverage but seems like there should be better sources out there. S0091 (talk) 16:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oh, it's a VPRO show--that's always a good sign. And it won the Gouden Kalf? That means it's basically automatically notable. I'll have a better look when I have some time: kids are coming home. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • OK, I added a source and moved it on to mainspace. I think I want to see that. It was a very tense time. Drmies (talk) 00:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thanks Drmies! Good find with the review. Yeah, it does sound like an interesting show. S0091 (talk) 13:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


While it is entirely your prerogative, I do not see how parachuting into a contentious topic and accusing an editor (me) of edit warring to introduce a category and threatening them (me) with sanctions is helpful. For starters, the "charge" was false - the category was there for months and we were discussing whether it should or not be removed. Most importantly, however, it's a blatant violation of AGF, particularly so given that two users were having a discussion in civil terms (especially for EE standards!).

I apologise for my part in accidentally undoing your edits, but I think you can easily check my version against the last edit by MVBW to see that the only change is or should be me recovering the bits removed due to sources being highlighted as broken by MVBW (except for a single sentence that I did not re-add by mistake, and which at this point I cannot re-add without being accused of edit warring). I resent that you jumped to the conclusion of malice, although I assume it's understandable. The fact that you were editing in between is simply unlucky, but fundamentally it needn't be an issue, since I completely agree with the changes you attempted to introduce. I might add a bit or two from the article by Subtelny that you removed from external links, but if I do I will do so in the text.

Now, I do not expect (much less demand) anything, but an apology would be nice, and the restoration of the archived links would be even better (with or without an apology!). I will hold no grudges either way. Alternatively, I will restore the broken links tomorrow so as to no incur a penalty for edit warring. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Well, you did edit war, and you've restored that category four times, against the wishes of three different editors--me, My very best wishes, Lute88. Look: 1, 2, 3, 4. I'm putting those links here in case someone wants to take this to a noticeboard. Now, if that last one was an accident, why are you here yelling at me and demanding an apology? And why are you asking for my permission to restore archived links? No one is fighting over that: go ahead and do it. But since three different people have now deleted that category, you might take a hint: consensus for that is not on your side. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • In a nutshell: mainstream historiography does NOT consider Mazepa a traitor. Only the the Russian propaganda machine does. A clear case of POV and WEIGHT. Has to be removed.--Aristophile (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • "Mainstream historiography" does not condemn (or exonerate) people of treason. A historian isn't a judge (and vice versa). That Mazepa was declared a traitor is a fact, and that he is perceived as one in the cultural memory of Russia (and, as the articled stated, in part of Ukraine) is so as well. It's not an issue of criminality (which is beyond the scope of Wikipedia) or value-judgement (also beyond our scope). A man's traitor can be another man's freedom fighter. You're welcome at the TP if you want to discuss it. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I did not edit war against you, as can be surmised by my edit. I have no qualm with your edits, and I did not undo your edits - not on purpose, at any rate. As I said, I do not disagree with your edits. I have no intention of touching the category because we are discussing it in the talk page, which is what I think should've happened in the first place. I have no axe to grind, and I will not lose any sleep over whether Mazepa is in the "traitors" category (an odd category, but given the people cited there, one where Mazepa could well fit) or not. And finally, I have not yelled at you, and I have not demanded an apology (I explicitly said as much!). As I said, I am here to ask for the links to be restored, which is what I intended to do with my last edit, and to ask for you to calm down when intervening in EE. There's enough shit-throwing, aspersions and lack of AGF as it stands to have experienced editors and admins pile on that. Ostalgia (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I don't understand edit warring "against" someone. And I really don't understand what you want. You're not demanding an apology, but you want an apology? For what? Never mind. And one more thing: Mazepa was declared a traitor by some entity--or by a historiographic tradition. The category makes him a traitor in Wikipedia's voice. That cannot be. Now, move on please. Drmies (talk) 20:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • Then what is the purpose of the category? Every single individual in that category was declared a traitor by some entity--or by a historiographic tradition. The category makes him a traitor in Wikipedia's voice. If that cannot be, then what is the purpose of the category? We're literally doing that for every member of the category. For the record, I do not oppose removing the category altogether. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          • I don't know; I didn't create it. I mean, for Quisling or Benedict Arnold it seems pretty cut and dry and I don't think anyone would dispute it, but this is not one of those cases, it seems. The very existence of a category doesn't mean we should accept what it denotes as always an objective reality, and I really have no interest in defending the validity of this category. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Some edit warring

Hello Drmies, responding to a copypatrol report I noticed the EW report and interactions between those two users; I noticed they had a massive edit war earlier today at List of women monarchs-- just an FYI. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

back and back

Hi there, the pesky IP-hopping BE sock seems to be concentrating on 2023, their activities having been clocked and noted at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ As I've confirmed there, it's clearly them. Would you be happy to take action? Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 08:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Forgot this one, thinking it was listed at the investigations page: User: Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A new user has appeared on the page 2023 which may be worth taking a closer look at. User:202X made their first edits today, deleting [6] a significant amount of hidden wikitext. The wikitext was related to a part of the page, the picture collage, which would only be known to regulars. Carter00000 (talk) 16:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weird. They are not the same person, but they're a perfect match with a sock who has no interest in years. I don't know what to make of it. Drmies (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for checking out the account and your information provided above. Perhaps we could just keep an eye on the account for now, as the account doesn't seem have made any further edits or reinstated the edit which I reverted previously. Carter00000 (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


New IP: 2601:188:C500:49E0:2151:63E6:278A:8BBE. I'm on mobile, so it's harder to reach out the right venue for this. Thank you again for your help on my user page (: – Callmemirela 🍁 17:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And 2601:188:C500:49E0:3581:F3D2:8D75:D0D0. – Callmemirela 🍁 18:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Khadim e Khass

Hello. Just wondered whether you recall the reason for your CU block of Khadim e Khass (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? The article they created was updated by a user I've linked to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/BrookeCook and if Khadim e Khass is also linked then G5 applies. SmartSE (talk) 11:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm not sure I follow, Smartse. I linked them to User:CloudFarr3r, but any link is good enough to delete via G5. (I'm not sure why I didn't delete it on the spot.) Anyway, as the tag on Cloudfarr's user page suggests, and the rationale for the block on the range, there's so much socking going on there that it can be hard to figure out who's who. Drmies (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Based on various warnings and seeing that a completely new editor went straight to NHL player pages, I have a feeling that User:Gymrat16 is another sockpuppet of User:Moka Mo (link to WP:SPI), but I cannot verify it at the moment, because Editor Interaction Analyser does not work for me. – sbaio 14:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I can see, from their edits, why you would think that, but I checked and geolocate points to a very different place. Any case would have to be made on behavioral grounds. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 14:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Drmies, I saw the note you left on Gymrat's note page and followed it here. Another user and myself have encountered Gymrat16 across various NHL-related articles for a two months now. I can't 100% say this is Moka, but there's some unique behavior between the two users, in particular they way they edit section headers and generally refrain leaving edit summaries or communicating with other users. Edits from Moka:[7][8] vs. edits from Gymrat:[9][10]. I'm not sure if this alone is enough evidence to go forward with an SPI case. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  14:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I don't know either, user:StarScream1007, but there's only one way to find out. When you try that, give some concise examples of the kind of thing that you think nails it, with diffs for both. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Love your neighbor613

They've went full mask off (pun intended). Do you think it's time for a WP:NOTHERE block? LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 04:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • User:bradv, it's time, isn't it. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oh boy I didn't see that one. Woefully, and dangerously, misinformed – maybe reading Wikipedia will help. – bradv 17:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Ouch. I'm glad Wikipedia is serving as a bulwark these days against Alex Jonesian silliness, it spreads like wildfire. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LGBT rights in UAE back to the puppet-approved version

Hope it's okay to pester you with this again, Drmies: A user, Felixsto, undid your reversion of the last JacobKennedy sock's work at LGBT rights in the United Arab Emirates. They then went on to make further "improvement": [11]. It seems a straightforward case of quacking to me: What's your view? With thanks, AukusRuckus (talk) 12:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Gotcha. Pretty sad, huh. Drmies (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Sad, yeah: sigh! (By my estimation they've been acting like this for more than ten years and must be closing-in on 30 years of age, at least. What's the payoff for someone like this? I know, there's even worse around ...) I will post another proforma SPI case like last time. Thanks very much for this, and also for all of your effort on WP. I see it around; it's appreciated. AukusRuckus (talk) 12:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Cup of Tea for you!

Thanks for handling Marcela Ocaño at WP:ANI, tea on me! Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 16:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Sure thing! I wish I really got paid per block. BTW, I have no doubt there are more, older accounts. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You deserve it! And yeah, probably. I think we may be able to find it searching through page histories. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 18:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi! I have opened an SPI where you were involved. Feel free to comment if required. – Callmemirela 🍁 22:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]