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Advice about an RM[edit]

Hello, sorry to bother you again - you've recently given me some advice about my quarrels with User:My very best wishes. I'm contacting you again for the following reason. In August I filed an RM at Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas, which has been recently closed with "no consensus" by a non-involved editor. It was a tough call and a long discussion, with many editors (I think 14 out of 21) !voting in support of the RM and 7 opposing it. I'm not fully convinced about the lack of consensus, and I've started a conversation with the closer. They've been kind and ready to explain and give advice, but I feel that that conversation is not going anywhere and I'm wondering whether asking for a review of the closure would be appropriate here. Note that I've never opened an RM before and I've participated in very few ones, so I lack experience and might well be completely wrong about what a consensus is within the frame of an RM. However.... I think there's a consensus to move, and if there's not, I think the discussion is not over yet and should be re-opened. I'd appreciate if you could have a look at this and give me some advice as to how to proceed, or not to proceed, on the matter. The relevant discussions are the following ones:

I know it's lots of stuff! Please if you don't have time or interest, don't worry and just tell me - I won't be upset. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm tight on time, but I did take a cursory look, and the close seem reasonable. One mistake you made is when you started the RM under WP:COMMONNAME you didn't really provide a half dozen links to top shelf sources using that term. It isn't required, but it bolsters your argument. The supports had more "votes", but this isn't a vote. The opposers seemed to have stronger arguments (again, I'm just breezing through the discussion). I would recommend leaving it alone and try again in 3 months, as there isn't any fatal flaw in the close. Honestly, I think Paine Ellsworth handled the discussion on his talk page in a very professional manner, and gave you good reasoning and advice for a future attempt. Dennis Brown - 00:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thank you for having found the time to review this. I will follow your advice (which is also the closer's advice) and I will try again in 3 months. Ironically, in the next 3 months the denomination "Russian separatists" might well become entirely appropriate, as DPR and LPR are now in the process of being annexed to Russia (the title, however, will not be appropriate for the period March 2014-February 2022, when the war in Donbass was also a non-international armed conflict between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russia separatists). I will also follow your advice of providing an extensive review of RS. Note that in some way I had already provided the half dozen links to top shelf sources you mentioned:

Hi Dennis

I hope you're well.

I've noticed three new accounts making edits and undiscussed page moves on similar Indian transport articles to the last two:

Obviously the first has the same sort of username as before. Not so sure about the second and third, but they're both newish accounts editing and moving in this area, and also warned by Liz for making excessive page moves. Plus they are probably socks of each other anyway... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Amakuru: A very quick looks seems to show the first looks like a ringer, didn't go further (real world busy today), but you really need to file an SPI case and ask a CU to do a sleeper check. They can dig a lot deeper and find connections that I can't alone. Ping me once you have, and I will try to find the time to dig a little deeper into the contribs and make a behavioral connection. Dennis Brown - 17:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi Dennis,
I noticed this online link[1]. This might result in more disruption in the cesspool known as WP:AA2 and WP:KURDS.
Google translate: ""The first spark was ignited in order to correct and organize the unfounded claims we have seen on Wikipedia recently. r/turkviki was established. Let's get organized from there."

Another link:[2]
Google translate:[3] "Friends, this subreddit was founded on the termination of unfounded claims made on Wikipedia. Our aim is to put an end to the unfounded allegations made on Wikipedia, the propaganda activities targeting our country and nation, to express the truth and correct the mistakes."
Google translate of one of the comments:[4] "we need a larger audience, salaried employees of wikipedia, and I don't know how effective we can be against the current Turkish hatred"
- LouisAragon (talk) 19:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • For the next few weeks (or more), I am not able to really spend time on Wikipedia. I try to check messages, but I really can't get into an issue right now. Maybe a talk page stalker can. Dennis Brown - 02:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(talk page stalker) @LouisAragon. I'm not sure what if anything can be done proactively. But I think this might be worth posting at WP:AN perhaps under the heading of an FYI sort of thing. If there are any wiki-projects that are specific to this topic area, an FYI note on the talk page might also be warranted. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IBANs and AfDs[edit]

Hey Dennis Brown,

In your understanding, is the policy interpretation presented here on voting in an AfD when under an IBAN still in force?

Best regards,

François Robere (talk) 08:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • That was 10 years ago, many things have changed. I would recommend you ask the admin that put the iban in place, or who closed the discussion that put the iban in place if it is ok. I personally think it is ok if you don't interact, or try to counter their arguments, but I am just one person and I"m not sure what the concensus is 10 years later. Dennis Brown - 12:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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He was the uncle of Mark "Chopper" Read, which is referenced, (i don't add false information) if you don't believe me, maybe Google it, before calling someone a vandal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • You've already been reverted again, for both adding trivia that isn't references properly and breaking the wikicode. If you continue, you will be blocked for edit warring. Dennis Brown - 19:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ike Awgu for deletion[edit]

User Earl Andrew has proven to have a conflict of interest in the article Ike Awgu, even lying about attending the same college. It should be re-nominated for deletion. It obviously does not meet notability inclusion criteria for Wikipedia. I am confident ANY neutral, non-involved party can see this. (talk) 20:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps a new editor for the article should be in order. (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(talk page watcher) Dennis, because the IP had opened their thread (without signing it) at the top of Talk:Ike Awgu instead of the bottom, your reply was misplaced. The IP commented there without pinging you. PamD 20:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I finally got the time to look at it, and I would agree that a 15 year old AFD doesn't really prove an ongoing consensus, so I put it up for AFD myself. Pretty thin claims for notability. Dennis Brown - 18:43, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ARCA the place?[edit]

Hello Dennis, it's been a while. Just wanted you to know, in the coming days (likely mid-Jan 2023), I'll be requesting my t-ban from gender identity pages, be ended. To clarify, is WP:ARCA the correct place, to seek that result? GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm trying to remember where you got the tban (AE I think), so you could do it at ARCA, AN or AE. Keep in mind, each of those has a different body of individuals that may participate, so choose based on where you feel you have the best chance of getting it lifted. To be honest, I have no idea which is better. I lean towards AE simply because it was an AE sanction, but that doesn't mean that is your best choice. I likely won't be around for it, I'm quite busy in the real world right now. Dennis Brown - 00:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Being as it's an AE t-ban, perhaps AE would be the best place. GoodDay (talk) 03:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Appealing my enforcement[edit]

Letting you know. I'm appealing at AE. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • No problem. I've left as neutral a comment as I can. You do need to put a link to the original discussion. Dennis Brown - 22:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do I have the option of withdrawing my appeal? GoodDay (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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IP Davidian[edit]

Hi DB. Back in August you blocked for a month due to disruptive editing at Talk:Armenian genocide (here's the section with your block message). They've since been editing as and, still manually signing their posts with "Davidian".

They made a new suggestion in January, but they bundled with it some bad-faith assumptions and dredging up of past issues. I posted at their talk page to ask them to decouple their suggestion from the conduct accusations, which they did. After a period of inactivity, they responded today in that same talk page section to add misconduct accusations against Buidhe and myself. It includes a misquote attributed to me, saying that I'd accused them of "bad faith and obscenity", when I'd said "bad-faith assumptions and incivility".

I understand it you'd prefer that I take this to AE, and I'd drop it altogether if you think that's best. I've spent a non-trivial amount of time trying to reason with them, and I'm tired. I could definitely go into "just ignore their posts" mode, which appears to be the approach taken by most of the talk page watchers. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:23, 12 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • It is definitely the same person, but the block expired and they are allowed to participate. From what I see, their partition isn't breaking WP:DE at this point, and they are staying on topic without straying too far into other policy issues. Their method of participation isn't necessarily the most conducive to getting changes, but I'm not a critic of style. I would say keep an eye out, and if it ventures into personal attacks, casting aspersions or simple disruption, then something can be considered, but at this point, I don't see a pattern of problems. He's making it obvious it is the same person, which is actually a good faith thing. Dennis Brown - 14:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Armenia-Azerbaijan 3: Proposed decision mentioning you[edit]

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new article creation[edit]

hello ccan you help me create an articlee please 876gads (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Two places to start, one is the WP:Teahouse for questions and answers (best to start there), and the other is WP:Articles for Creation, which is a system that lets you create and flesh out your article with less risk of deletion, as it is created in a draft like space, plus you get feedback from reviewers. I'm not here often enough to be of much help right now, the real world is keeping me busy. Dennis Brown - 11:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Procedural notification[edit]

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Dont mind me[edit]

I made a quick formatting fix at an old RFB page then pinged you just in case. Only to later be told it was probably a Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag or similar and already being handled by one of them Lint error bots. Anyway, dont mind me/sorry for the ping.

Also now that I've pinged you twice anyway... Hello o/ I've not interacted directly with you since returning, but I do remember you fondly, probably interacting over common WER things? (I used to be much more around 8+ years back(

Holla / how has it been? Soni (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm ok, thanks for asking. Really busy, so I am not as busy here. WER was a lifetime ago for me, over a decade. But I'm still here, just part time while I readjust my real life and figure out what role enwp is going to play in the future. Appreciate the feedback. Dennis Brown - 18:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Understandable. Well, at least I wanted you to know you were a positive influence whenever we interacted :)
    Hopefully whatever else you find IRL is as rewarding as well! Soni (talk) 07:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Small request[edit]

Hello, I'm correcting a tracked syntax error on Wikipedia called the Tidy Font bug, and one of your protected pages has two of these. Would you be willing to make the following change to User:Dennis Brown/RfA/Basalisk?

At the very bottom of the page, would you change

<font color="Red">[[User:Anthony Bradbury|'''Anthony Bradbury''']]</font><sup><font color="Black">[[User talk:Anthony.bradbury|"talk"]]</font></sup>


[[User:Anthony Bradbury|<b style="color: Red">Anthony Bradbury</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Anthony.bradbury|<span style="color: Black">"talk"</span>]]</sup>

When links are written in the <font>[[link]]</font> format with the color specified outside of the link, browsers don't agree on how to display the colors. Some browsers display it with the specified colors, and others default back to the standard link blue. If you are willing to adjust this, it would be much appreciated.

Thank you, Zinnober9 (talk) 04:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:Hoy botnb.jpg listed for discussion[edit]


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