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Your reversions

You recently reverted a number of my edits citing: "Reverting categorisation - would need very strong sources (see Indigenous peoples#Europe), I'm somewhat confused about the nature of your dispute, particularly when groups like the Bretons (and a number of others) have that same categorical position. Alssa1 (talk) 12:30, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Have you read Indigenous peoples#Europe as I suggested, Alssa1? As detailed there, the term is only used to describe a small number of European ethnic groups such as the Sámi. It's quite possible that Bretons doesn't belong in the category either. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:34, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I did indeed read the piece, it does not justify your editing dispute though. It lists the Basque, Crimean Tatars, and Sardinians is interesting but doesn't really define what makes an indigenous group indigenous. Alssa1 (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but article categorisation needs to be based on reliable sources, which are lacking in the articles that you categorised, Alssa1. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

The Bretons article was added to that category by an IP editor relatively recently. I've now removed it again. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

It was added in November 2022, that's not recent. Alssa1 (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Hence "relatively". Cordless Larry (talk) 12:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Then you've got a very flexible understanding of the word. Alssa1 (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Nit-pick about the timeline all you want, but you still need to cite sources to support categorisation. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Not always, you don't need an explicit source to declare the Bretons members of the 'Brythonic Celts' for example. You don't need a specific source to declare Armorica part of Pre-Roman Gaul. Sometimes articles are legitimately categorised by the content of their leads: "Bretons are a Celtic ethnic group native to Brittany, north-western France..." etc Alssa1 (talk) 13:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:CATV, "Categorization of articles must be verifiable". Cordless Larry (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

As stated on your cited page: "Indigenous is derived from the Latin word indigena, meaning "sprung from the land, native". As is stated on the Bretons page "Bretons are a Celtic ethnic group native to Brittany, north-western France..." Seems pretty verifiable to me... Alssa1 (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to start a discussion on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't need to, the inclusion of the category is long-standing on the Bretons people page and was subject to your removal. Alssa1 (talk) 14:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Nice try, but see WP:BURDEN and WP:BRD. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

Olga Onuch

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• ... that the BBC believe that Olga Onuch is the first professor of Ukrainian politics in the English-speaking world? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66620494
• .alt1.. that Professor Olga Onuch's photos of Ukrainian flags in Manchester were shown on Ukrainian TV? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66620494
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emine Arslan
  • Comment: see an error? fix it ... its a wiki. Anyone have a photo of her with a free license?

Created by Cordless Larry (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 16:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Olga Onuch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Beginning review.

General eligibility:

• New Enough: Y
• Long Enough: Y
• Other problems: N - article has a stub tag on talk page

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - n

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - n
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The stub tag needs removing from the talk page. Copyvio basically fine but the phrase "after holding research posts at the University of Toronto" lights up so could be rephrased. I am not quite happy with the hook - the BBC article begins "A university has appointed what it said is the first professor of Ukrainian politics in the English-speaking world" so it is the university's belief rather than the BBC's. But that said I think it's a better hook fact than alt1 if you'd like to reword it. DrThneed (talk) 04:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I've improved the paraphrasing, DrThneed. For the hook, how about "that Olga Onuch is believed to be the first professor of Ukrainian politics in the English-speaking world?" - is that too passively worded? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC) Victuallers (talk) 16:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Victuallers! Cordless Larry (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The last note regarding WP:GNG

WP:GNG is exactly what it says "general" and why WP:NBAND is needed to provide specific guidance for bands.

As far as the statements directly in WP:GNG - Spotify, Amazon, Pandora are all worldwide coverage, I have no participation in their curation process, they are reliable sources and independent of my influence, and I don't see anywhere where it says you need magazine coverage to be a band noted in Wikipedia.

Very respectfully,

Lucien Levasseur Revolucien (talk) 21:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

No, you don't need magazine coverage, but you do need some coverage, Revolucien. What would you base, say, 500 or a thousand words about the band on? If you can't write anything about the band by summarising what reliable sources say, there's de facto no article to write. That's why your draft is so short (and "The guitar playing started in 1980 in the small town of Lewiston, Maine with a couple friends Eric Gosselin (currently in Fierce Atmospheres) and Dave Caron" isn't supported by a source, so it should be even shorter). Cordless Larry (talk) 21:45, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Larry, I appreciate the input. I feel like I met the letter of the law as written and you and a few others do not agree. I am OK that we disagree, but I felt that I provided facts and data to support my compliance and the opposing views were feelings and pointed to parallax interpretation of the guidelines. I hope that changes are made so that clear definition make it more of a open and shut case. Thanks again for the participation.

Very respectfully,

Lucien Levasseur Revolucien (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You've actually made a good case for not adding listing on Spotify as a sign of notability, Revolucien, as this band is on Spotify yet it's completely impossible to write an article about it due to the lack of in-depth coverage. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Be careful with that though, on Spotify I have 3 monthly listeners - that means those are people who created stations specifically using Chaos Warehouse so they can hear it more often.  Chaos Warehouse still shows up on regular streams that utilize Heavy Metal or similar tag words in their station and it is played world wide at a more random interval.  There is also the combination of those platforms multiplying that field and reaching far more than the standard terrestrial radio audience.  Good luck with it, I'm sure it will be an interesting discussion.

Very respectfully,

Lucien Levasseur Revolucien (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)