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Welcome to the drive![edit]
Welcome, welcome, welcome Chris troutman! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:43, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)
The Taking of Page Seven Six Zero Zero Seven Four Nine Nine[edit]
(not quite as catchy as the original) I hope you found that thread as funny as I intended it and that I didn't make you feel like I was dismissing your valid concerns. To give you a serious explanation: My thinking was that if the draft were G13'd in 6 months, that would take up hours less of net editor time than deleting it via MFD (between participants and closer), plus it gives 6 months for anyone (who meets the requirements) to work on it if they want to, plus -- and this third reason is the most important one -- it avoids the unnecessary argument that was developing between editors. As you no doubt have seen many times, sometimes a page is created and then editors who previously were not fighting with each other come to the page and fight with each other, sometimes leaving with lasting hard feelings. Sometimes, this is a necessary part of the encyclopedia building process. But other times, the fight is stupid, over something that doesn't matter, and everyone would have been better off if the issue had never been brought up in the first place. When I see an insignificant issue become an unnecessary fight between editors who otherwise would have no reason to fight with each other, I think the best thing we can do is to close the discussion, to put out the fire, as it were. I thought this was one of those times. But yes, it was a rather aggressive move by me, and I won't be making a habit of it. :-) Levivich (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Because the new editor was mentioned as a possible sock, I looked at the edit they made to the article AND the cited source. Unless I misread it, the change they made was correct. You should self-revert.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Bbb23: Right you are. I re-read the source and saw I was wrong. I struck my comment on the user talk page accordingly, as my edit to article was reverted. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Chris troutman and thanks for being mindful about notability of Xu Ruiyun! I would agree with you that the subject does not satisfy WP:ACADEMIC, but I wish to say that Xu Ruiyun satisfies GNG, and to quote WP:ACADEMIC, It is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way under the general notability guideline or one of the other subject-specific notability guidelines.
As for GNG, we have one newspaper article and one book chapter (published in two different books) devoted to our subject. She was discussed in depth in two of the journal articles I cited.
Kindly let me know what you think! Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @TheLonelyPather: I tagged it after having looked at the sources because I'm not sure about GNG, either. The content about her in the chapters seems to cover only a few pages and I'm not sure about those publishers. The publisher in Ann Arbor is an NGO I've never heard of; it seems the content is someone else's monograph/ memoir. I don't speak Mandarin so I cannot make out the newspaper article. The journal articles, while perhaps editorially-responsible for scientific purposes, contain comments made by the authors which might be true but they don't lend notability. I also don't buy the "first x person to do y thing" concept of notability. I've written plenty of content on academics with similarly-tenuous grasp to notability. I didn't nominate the article for deletion because I doubt the consensus would choose deletion, but still, I don't know that I see GNG reaching that low. Good people will disagree how far GNG stretches. It's a maintenance template so hopefully others with the needed skills and resources can improve it. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dear @Chris troutman: I understand your concern and I appreciate you being open about it. I am okay to have the article tagged so others could perhaps have a look at it, as you said. Just one more thing about the book chapter that I want to talk about:
- The content about her in the chapters seems to cover only a few pages and I'm not sure about those publishers. The publisher in Ann Arbor is an NGO I've never heard of; it seems the content is someone else's monograph/ memoir: I cited the book published in Ann Arbor because it contains a chapter on the subject originally published in 2000 in a different book. That different book is cited right above it in the "Book chapters" section. I put the Ann Arbor citation just for the sake of public access (I don't have access from the original 2000 publication, but the Ann Arbor-published one is out there on the internet).
- I agree with you that the Ann Arbor publisher is quite unknown. I just use it for the particular chapter. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day![edit]
Happy First Edit Day! Hi Chris troutman! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC) |
February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award[edit]
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This award is given in recognition to Chris troutman for collecting more than 50 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC) |
Please do not attack other editors, as you did in your edit at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Users that make ad hominem attacks may face blocking and banning. ☆SuperNinja2☆ 01:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I[edit]
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
- Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
- Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
- Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
- Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
- Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
- Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
- Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
- Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
- Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
- Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
- Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
- Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
- Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
- Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
- Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
- Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
- Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.
To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:
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