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Stanley Climbfall[edit]

Hi Carlo. I'm not necessarily asking why you're editing the article, as I merely presume you're interested in the topic, but do you know why this album has attracted more edits from editors excluding yourself in the last few days than in the preceding few months? Has it been reissued? Is it making the news somehow? Is a song from the album blowing up on TikTok? I'm confused. Ss112 02:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, I'm not aware of anything happening to cause renewed interest in it, no. Maybe it's just random coincidence? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BTS Star[edit]

BTS Star
I haven't been on Wikipedia for a long time, but I immediately noticed your many contributions on BTS-related topics. Well done!

I hope my grammar is good, I don't speak English. Estyxxxx (talk) 22:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry for carelessly editing.[edit]

On Mic Drop sorry for my edit, I should've learned more about that before making an edit so quick.Jishiboka1 (talk) 03:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wouldn't call it careless, you just didn't know. We were all new on here at one point, so don't worry about it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:47, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stanley Climbfall[edit]

You said a source said 1,000,000 copies in the US. I've heard 500k (gold) and Wiki said 411k... please add the source or I will have to remove it. 01:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stinkypants Simpson (talkcontribs)

BTS Fan Meeting[edit]

If the BTS fan meeting is fine to include then all fan meeting should be fine?

saother artist also perform several songs in their fan meetings. By the way, I just implementing the consensus, I did not help form it.

Lightoil (talk) 08:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion you linked in your edit summaries didn't show consensus against including fan meet concerts, at least as far as I could see. Samekizofu, Aoowassana, Paperdoll were in support of the general inclusion of fan meet events while Xplicit and Alexanderlee disagreed. That's a consensus of 3 to 2 in favour of. Piotrus, who didn't necessarily pick a side, commented that if reliable sources covered the shows then that made them notable enough to be mentioned and concluded that it would likely be on a case by case basis. I'm of a similar mindset. Take how we treat awards won for eg: 5 artists win the same award, but only 2 of them receive significant/reliable coverage in the media. Accordingly we include the wins for those 2 artists only instead of all 5, nor do we remove the wins from the articles of the 2 artists just because they can't be included for the other 3. Another point for consideration is the distinction between fan meet shows held by artists/musicians as opposed to any other kind of celebrity. An artist performs anywhere from 6-8 songs at a fan meet show, a mini concert in its own right, while an actor/actress might perform 1 or 2 songs max at their event (or some not at all) which is clearly not a concert.
Also, referring again to Piotrus's cmmt about coverage, not every single fan meet show for artists can be reliably sourced because coverage varies. I checked your edit history, and some of your removals were either wholly unsourced (e.g. Twice, Itzy) or unreliably sourced (e.g. Btob, Winner, iKon included unreliable and primary sources), so I don't disagree you doing that. However, others that appeared properly sourced (I only skimmed some of the sources in your Red Velvet and Enhyphen edits) could be left alone if they are actual concerts ie. heavy on the musical aspect, as opposed to more fan-interaction driven shows with a handful of songs in between (I don't pay attn those artists so I can't speak on what their events are like). The BTS table is labelled as "Fan meet concerts" because that is what they primarily are. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Champion genre sources[edit]

My mistake in undoing your edit. I thought I had originally only had the source once and, at the time, thought it should be with both. My mistake. Fob183 (talk) 07:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changes of Jimin, V, and Jungkook articles[edit]

May i know why you removed/changed my edit for Jimin, V, and Jungkook articles? Wærdãñì (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wærdãñì All 3 are known predominantly as vocalists, with Jimin alone also known as a dancer due to his dance background/performance history. Regarding 'songwriter', having a handful of writing credits doesn't make one a songwriter by profession. RM, Suga and J-Hope are known for being songwriters as they have a prolific history of doing such. There was even a hidden note (added after past discussions about the same thing) on the Jimin article reminding ppl that 'songwriter' shouldn't be included, but you ignored that and wrote it anyway. If you want your changes to be accepted on all 3 pages, you'd need to establish consensus first (a discussion held on talk page where editors say whether they agree/disagree with your suggestions). -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Isn't jin has less songwriting credits than the maknae line? So why you let another user named him as singer-songwriter, but not to maknae line? I'm just curious Btw, I'm ARMY ot7, I'm not solo stan Wærdãñì (talk) 22:06, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

The Writer's Barnstar
For writing the article "On the Street", you have done a great job, Thank you! Estyxxxx (talk) 11:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jimin FACE record[edit]

Your wording is correct. It matches up with the Korean source. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 23:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help with BTS sales[edit]

Heey (wish Wikipedia had a chat feature) hope you're doing well. This is not high priority at all but I wanted to ask for your help. I stumbled upon BigBang's article the other day and the ridiculously inflated sales it claims (150 million lol... tried to talk some sense on the talk page about it but I doubt it will change anything) anyways, the lead links to Boy band#Best-selling boy bands where BTS obviously qualifies to be included, with actual verifiable sales. I was able to find one article today which lists their domestic sales up until the last Circle monthly update and that alone amounts to 44.91 million. We will never have the true number but at least including US and Japan would be good to get an approximate of their global sales. I found two articles: this one mentioning them selling over 1m albums in Japan and this one talking about their RIAA certifications in US. What do you think? - Ïvana (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So it would be the 44.91 mil per Circle, plus the 1 mil+ in Jpn per YNA, plus the US certified units per the KH to get them in the table, ahead of That That/Westlife, since their total figure would be well over 45 mil? Do I have it right? --Carlobunnie (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep, I know they have way more sales than that but those are the only official numbers I was able to find at the moment. I think referencing those would be ok.. I don't see a reason for people to complain but wanted to hear your thoughts first. You usually update their Japan sales so if you stumble upon any article with updated total sales that'd be great. - Ïvana (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be clear, I wasn't disputing whether their sales are actually more than what your compiled sources support. I was only asking if I understood correctly: that based on the data from those sources, that their cumulative sales would put them ahead of TT/WL in the table. That YNA article though, it only mentions 1 mil+ sales for the BTS The Best album. It doesn't speak about their overall discography, so we'd have to find something better. I'm racking my brain now, trying to recall when was the last time Oricon published anything about their cumulative Japanese sales. Regarding the BB thing, I recall that discussion, plus a few others, and it's always basically the equivalent of talking to a brick wall. Rereading it alone gave me a headache lol. But if a new discussion finds editors willing to change it, you know where I stand. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BTSpurplegalaxy took care of the BB stuff heh. I think my rant about it helped. Anyways, going back on this, let me summarize what I have/was able to find at the moment regarding sales:

  • SK: 44.91m (all sales til last month) [1]
  • US: 14m certified units (DNA, LGO, MOTSP, Fake Love 500k each + My Universe, Mic Drop, Boy with Luv, Idol, Be, MOTS7, LYA 1m each + Dynamite 2m + Butter 3m) [1 2 3 4]
  • Japan: 4.764m certified units (Butter 250k + Proof 514k + The best of 防弾少年団, Dynamite 500k each + BTS the Best, Lights/Boy With Luv + MOTS7 The Journey 1m each) [1 2 3 4 5]
  • UK: 2.08m certified units (MOTS7, LYT, LYA 60k each + MOTSP 100k + Dynamite, Butter, My Universe 600k each) [1 2 3 4]
  • France: 50k certified units (MOTS7 50k) [1]

Total: 65.804.000
Scrolling through the discography articles I can see a lot of certifications missing. Just to mention the biggest ones:

  • US (singles): Waste it on me (Gold, 500k)
  • Japan (albums): MOTSP, LYA, LYT, Youth (Gold, 100k each) + Be, MOTS7 (Platinum, 250k each), Face Yourself (2xPlatinum, 500k)
  • UK (albums): Wings, MOTS7 The Journey, YNWA, HYYAYF (Silver, 60k each) + Face Yourself, MOTS7, LYA, MOTSP (Gold, 100k each)
  • UK (singles): BST, DNA, Mic Drop, Fake Love, Idol, BWL (Silver, 200k each) + Butter (Gold, 400k) + Dynamite (2xPlatinum, 1.2m)
  • Canada (albums): Proof (3xPlatinum, 240k)

That alone is, if I calculated properly, around 5m. They definitely surpassed 70m global sales. And this is only counting certifications, B-sides and stuff like that probably makes a couple more millions. Whenever you have some time (no rush) pls help me find sources for at least some of this stuff. 65m is enough to include them on that best selling boy bands list, but the more the better. We can also mention this on the BTS article as well. - Ïvana (talk) 01:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating new song pages[edit]

Thank you for your work in creating new pages for BTS songs! You did one for People Pt 2, but none seem to exist yet for Daechwita and Haegeum. Would you be able to or have the time to do those as well? DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have a draft for Haegeum that I'm already working on. I may or may not get to Daechwita after it is completed. Can't say for sure as yet. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! Suga had expressed several times that Haegeum was a continuation of Daechwita so I thought those would pair well together! Looking forward to your pages!DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 04:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CS1 error on Weverse[edit]

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Seven Wins[edit]

Hi Carlobunnie! Can we add Seven's win on MelOn weekly popularity award? I just can't find a source on Naver, am not well-versed with the site. Thanks! Sevenbluelions (talk) 08:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added it when I did the Inkigayo update just now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 11:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks much! So quick and reliable. :) Sevenbluelions (talk) 12:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi! Seven has won another Melon Weekly Popularity Award. Also, does GCG appear on your end when searching for JK on Google? Sevenbluelions (talk) 06:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes I saw, but I went to sleep so I didn't update it at the time. I have no idea what GCG is. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks so much! Also, can we add Seven's CAN sales and certification under JK's discography table? Sevenbluelions (talk) 00:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Added the cert, but not the sales figure. We cite pure sales only. The cert is for sales and streams combined. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Carlobunnie! Can we add Seven's gold certification in NZ and update CAN's to platinum? Sevenbluelions (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done! (Ik you always ask me to help, but you could try doing them yourself too, to get familiar with how to make those updates. They're very simple once you learn. What do you think? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MV director[edit]

Shin Dongle serves as the MV director for all of his music videos, with his name prominently featured in the credits under V's official music video. Is it possible to utilizing the official music videos as a reference? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 03:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I know he's the director, however, that wouldn't be utilizing the music video because the director isn't named in the video. You're talking about citing the YouTube webpage the video is uploaded on, but like I said we're supposed to use secondary sources for this stuff. I asked about this a while back on either the WP:Music or Songs talk page re: TXT's MV table (you can check the archives for it, editor's name started with 'O' iirc) and I was told that 1) no YT as a ref and 2) if no one covers the info then it shouldn't be included. It's why only 2 entries have the directors named and I added a fn in the col to explain that. If however, that stance has changed and we're allowed to use YT as a source in the way you want to, then by all means restore your edit and add the YT citation for support. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 08:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Can I ask for your help with some topics? Estyxxxx (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure. If idk the answer, I'll tag someone who should be able to help. And good job with the reference on the Daechwita article. See? Told you you could do it! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, you warmed my heart.
1. Why is there no information on RM's page about his collaborations with Colde and So-yoon? Is it not acceptable to write such things?
2. Thank you for your great work on the music videos of the BTS members, why did you add the comment "appeared in a short film titled..." to some and not to some? (Like J-Hope's MAMA, Jimin's Lie and more)
3. Why doesn't it appear on RM's pages that Lumpens directed the music video for Reflection? Has anyone else done this?
4. On J-Hop's page it appears at the end of the paragraph 2018–present: Solo activities "setting a new record as the highest-charting Korean soloist in the history of the chart at the time." But here you can see that Psy's "Gangnam Style" came in first place. What is the explanation for this?
5. Is Lumpens' page up to date?
I hope I didn't exaggerate... Estyxxxx (talk) 21:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  1. No particular reason. No editor added the info to that section, that's all.
  2. Because I haven't gotten around to fixing all the members pages yet, only some.
  3. As a general rule, only if a reliable secondary source directly names the director of an mv then s/he can be mentioned. The DD article does not, so the director is not. And I should point out that there is no WP policy/guideline that states we're supposed to include them.
  4. I can't check that right now, but it's likely referring to his record as the highest-debuting solo artist at the time, which I believe is mentioned in the same sentence (if I'm thinking of the exact part you're referring to). Psy didn't debut at #1 in the UK. There's a diff between a debut ranking and a peak ranking.
  5. I don't keep track of their projects so idk whether it is or not. You can ask either the editor who created that page or who maintains it the most (might be the same person).
Carlobunnie (talk) 23:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much for the kind and clear response.
It's a shame that my writing is garbly and I can't add the updates to the RM page myself.
Is it acceptable to add in the discography information about the other versions of a song as well, such as in "Seven"? I thought the place for this was on the page about the song itself.
In Musixmatch, the lyrics of the song "Spring Day" have a completely different translation than what is written in the "Music and lyrics" paragraph. What is the correct translation? Estyxxxx (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • "...add in the discography information about the other versions of a song as well" - can you clarify what exactly you're asking here and which song it's in reference to?
  • I've never checked what lyrics Musixmatch has. Whatever is written in the article is supported by the attached secondary sources discussing the song's lyrics. To the best of my knowledge, Musixmatch would not be considered a source for lyrics or any discussion thereof on WP.
Carlobunnie (talk) 05:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I'll try to be more clear.
  • On the page about Jungkook, in the paragraph Other charted songs there is information about the peak positions in the charts of the versions of "Seven". Is it acceptable to add information about versions of the song in the discography section and not on the page about the song itself when the versions did not reach special achievements?
  • Ok, I didn't know Musixmatch wasn't considered a reliable source. So how does it fit with the words that are written in the audio file that is attached at the top of the paragraph? It says "I miss you" and not "I want to see you" as it says in the paragraph itself.
Estyxxxx (talk) 18:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Other charted songs" is a subheading or subsection, not a paragraph. The table is for chart and sales information only, as indicated by the columns included in the table. Any other information should be written in the song article itself, depending on if it's worth including first. What information do you potentially want to add? Regarding the lyric captions in the audio file, idk who added them so I can't comment on their accuracy or lack thereof or how that particular choice of words was decided upon. The lyrics cited in the "Music and lyrics" section are per the attached Billboard reference. I can't tell you why there's a discrepancy between the two. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the answer. Hope I didn't bother you too much. Estyxxxx (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You didn't bother me at all. Asking questions is how we get better at editing. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Shuga's debuts at World Digital Song Sales[edit]

Suga has five songs that are number one debuts at World Digital Song Sales. Two of them ("That That" and "Eight") are listed under the name Suga and three of them ("Daechwita", "People Pt. 2" and "Haegeum") appear under the name Agust D. In Most number-one debuts table Suga Listed with the three songs released under the name Agust D. Is it possible to replace the three songs of Agust D with all five songs of Suga? (including those under the stage name Agust D). Estyxxxx (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I left them out because I wasn't sure if they should be combined or not. Billboard isn't consistent with how they credit his music under both names in his various chart histories on their website and I don't know where else to look to to use as a possible guide. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the logic says that just as there is no separate page for Suga and a separate page for Agust D, they should not be separated in the general calculation either. Anyway, do what you think.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. There are some chart histories for him as Suga, there are some for him as Agust D, and there are some that list music by both Agust D and Suga together. So there's no clear guide. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the list of BTS songs that reached the first place, the song "Idol" appears, but on the page about the song there is no mention that the song reached the first place in World Digital Song Sales, what is the explanation for this? Estyxxxx (talk) 15:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Idk why it wasn't originally included in the Commercial performance section, but there is no need to mention every single chart where a song reaches number one in the prose. That's what the Charts section is for. It's usually editor's preference to select the most pertinent charts to mention in the prose, esp if a song has set or broken records there. However, if you feel that mentioning it would provide additional value for readers and want to add it, you can either link the existing reference from the Chart table or use a reliable secondary source that covered it. If it was a record 10th or 20th number one on the chart (and we have a source saying so) then that would also warrant a mention, aside from just the chart position. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I meant that the ranking of "Idol" in World Digital Song Sales does not appear in the Charts section. Estyxxxx (talk) 16:56, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Should have specified that from the beginning lol. I thought you meant in the prose. Idk why it's not in the Charts section. Maybe no one thought to add it? Feel free to do it (could be good practice for you to try something new), unless you would like me to? Since it ranked at #1, I'd recommend using a manual reference over a chart template so an archive of the chart url can be included in the citation. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know if this expression exists in English, but in Hebrew we say it is "deaf dialogue". Again I'm sorry for my bad English.
I tried to add myself - without success. Do you agree to add it? At least I will learn something new. Estyxxxx (talk) 19:03, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You really don't need to keep apologizing for your English. I don't speak a word of Hebrew but here you are able to write and speak in both. I'll add it, not a problem. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, there is no one like you! Estyxxxx (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Award nominations[edit]

I have two questions, hope I don't bother you.

1. You added Jungkook a nomination for the Billboard Music Awards in the "Top Global K-pop Song" category, but here only Jimin, NewJeans, Stray Kids, Tomorrow X Together and Twice are nominated. What did I not understand correctly?

2. How does the nomination for dissangs work in this year's MAMA? On the page itself it says TBA but on the pages of the artists themselves the nominations have already been updated. Estyxxxx (talk) 20:19, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. If you re-read the article, you'll see he's listed in the Song category down to the bottom of the page. What you listed is for Top Global K-pop Artist, a completely different category.
  2. Daesang nominations (except for the fan-voted one) are usually revealed the day of the award ceremony, not beforehand. If this has changed I was not aware. I don't check any artist pages beyond the BTS-related ones, so idk who has a daesang nomination added to their article or not, nor can I say why that is the case if they do have them listed when no nominations have been revealed. --
Carlobunnie (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I didn't notice that.
Regarding MAMA, for example Face is nominated for album of the year but on the page of the 2023 MAMA the nominations for album of the year are TBA.
Sorry for the misspelling with the word daesang. Estyxxxx (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The TBA is for the final nominations that will be revealed the day of w/the ultimate winner. What's on Face's page is because its one of the albums in the running for a final nomination. Sometimes the long list of nominees are covered by secondary sources and sometimes they're not, so that also affects whether these particular nominations are able to be listed beforehand or not. It's like when voting used to be part of Daesang criteria, sometimes articles would mention the voting and who was nominated in the early rounds and we'd be able cite that on an artist's or album's page, but generally it used to be that you had to wait until the day of to know because it wasn't revealed otherwise. And no worries about the spelling, ik what you meant. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know it worked like that.
I'll take this opportunity to thank you for all the updates on the BTS pages, especially now with all the awards updates. I learn a lot from you. Estyxxxx (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jungkook Golden Album[edit]

Carlobunnie Can you please re-examine his album article to Wikipedia style. (talk) 15:50, November 13, 2023 (UTC)

@Yotrages: I saw you left a similar request on that talk page, but you'll need to be more specific if you want someone to address your concerns. Also, please sign your comments by using four tildes (the ~ symbol) after you write whatever you have to say. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Carlobunnie I want you to help him expand his album Golden, it contains nothing. i have seen your contribution to his song"Seven", so I think yo could help on that article. ---(talk) @Yotrages: 15:53, November 2023 (UTC)
@Yotrages: I will get to it, I promise, just not immediately. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 15:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, @Carlobunnie.

I notice that you are the author of the article I linked in the title of this message and that you removed the sample I had made. I explained to you the reasons why I restored it, but I think I spoke a little hostile, so I apologize. I am a user in learning, and, since I edited most of the times as anonymous and from that I have learned as an editor, I want to have my first GAs, FAs and FLs (as you can see in my sandbox).

I'm just letting you know, in case it bothers you or not. In case you want to help me with this, you are welcome. Santi (talk) 17:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You weren't hostile nor did you come across as such, so no need to apologize for anything. However, my question still remains: what value does including the sample add to the article for readers that the existing prose/text doesn't already provide? Some articles having music samples included in them doesn't mean that that is a necessity or requirement for others. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point, I'm just learning. But I see that in Would've, Could've, Should've a sample is used with a description that also appears in the body of the section. I based it on that. Santi (talk) 00:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While the sample does reference the prose, the point of that paragraph is the meaning behind the bridge's lyrics and critics seeing it as the most poignant part of the song. Hence the inclusion of the relevant sample. Seven's article however, does not go into any indepth discussion of the explicit lyrics as there is no extensive, deep meaning behind them compared to WCS. Nor will you find any reliable secondary sources that attribute any deep meaning to them either. I maintain that the sample is unnecessary/irrelevant for the article. If they really need to hear the explicit lyrics, readers can simply listen to it on a streaming service/platform. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay. So you can proceed to remove the sample from the article and from Wikipedia in the meantime. Also, taking advantage of this, do you think the sample I put in There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back is necessary? Santi (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure about "necessary" but I'd move it from the infobox to the Composition section for one. Two, I'd add a caption related to the musicality of the specific audio section you chose for the sample. I think the "almost Middle Eastern-sounding guitar part" bit from this question in the EW article ("There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back" also has a lot going on musically — let's start with that almost Middle Eastern-sounding guitar part. It sounds like something Timbaland would sample in the early 2000s.) would be good to mention in the caption. Shawn's answer could also be used to expand the prose a little more, so that both tie in directly to each other. However, for much better advice that I can provide, since I don't deal much with music samples in articles, I think Sergecross73 might be very helpful to talk to about this. He's a very knowledgeable music-related editor. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't actually deal with music samples much either, but your advice is sound, and consistent with what I've observed with handling things on well-developed articles. Sergecross73 msg me 14:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Like Crazy" single cover[edit]

Hi Carlobunnie. As I trust you would be more well-versed than me in regards to information on Jimin, would you know an official source that contains just the CD single cover and not the product image as cropped by H9v9n9? From interactions with editors more experienced than I in years past, images are not supposed to be edited (cropped) to such a degree, so I've reverted H9v9n9 for editing an image and citing a source that doesn't contain the actual image they've uploaded. I'm perfectly willing to have the CD single cover replace my remixes cover artwork, but I'm not sure there is one that contains just the face of the CD single as a digital image and thought you might know. Thanks. Ss112 11:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There isn't any official digital upload of it anywhere, aside from the store image, afaik. I could take a photo of my own copy of the CD single and upload it, if that would work, but I don't remember the exact WP policy/guideline that discusses this. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disagreement about percentages in The Black List[edit]

I don't think they were doing any harm or adding any clutter. I added them because I find percentages easier to parse than fractions, and I think other readers might benefit for the same reason. More than that, though, I get frustrated when people revert my edits because they feel they were unnecessary. That's such a hard challenge to fight. I can't prove that this particular thing is necessary, but it's the sort of thing I as a reader would appreciate having. I think that's a fair thing to leave in. Tisnec (talk) 22:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tisnec they aren't fractions. It's how you write out 1 of 20 or 13 of 58, without literally writing of the of. It's like when messages or pages for e.g. get split apart and you see an annotation like (1/2) which means 1 of 2 pages etc. Surely you atleast checked the numbers against the films listed and realized that they don't actually match up so they couldn't actually be fractions right? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 05:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did check - not all of them, but 2017 on up - and that's why I'm confused. Except for 2019 and 2021, they do do match up. For example, 2018 says 10/73, and there are 10 films individually listed as having gone into production - "8 completed, 2 in production". When you write "10 of 78," that's a ratio that can be expressed as a fraction, and fractions can be converted to percentages. 10/78 is 12.8%, so adding 12.8% to "10/73 screenplays have been put into production" is consistent. I still think I'm interpreting things correctly. If you still disagree, I think it means we're seeing something different here. I don't understand the bit about "1 of 2 pages" as an analogy, so that may be the sticking point. 1 of 2 pages is still a ratio (and therefore a fraction, and therefore a percentage). If you have 1 of 2 pages, then you have 50% of the total. I'm inclined to think the mismatched sections are just errors that should be corrected - 2019 should say 13, and 2021 should say 6. If the ratio numbers aren't meant to be [films put in production]/[list total from that year], what are they? Tisnec (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]