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Thinker78 is a user, since late 2015, of a Wikipedia mesopedian editor who started editing anonymously when the project came out in 2001. His first account was User:WonderingAngel-aesc78, but sadly he didn't continue editing with it and has since lost the password. He believes in doing an excellent job, fairness, rational and honest debate, admitting mistakes, and the necessity of giving explanations for one's actions. He doesn't like argumentum ad verecundiam, abuse of authority, nor undue censorship.

Among other things, he is an investigator,[a] a translator,[b] a former union official, an empath, a syncretist veg'n, and a free thinking skeptic. In college he was one of the top students in classes of Logic, Math, and Statistics. At one of his jobs, he was one of the best among 1,000 employees and top of his division.[c] Since he was a kid he has felt passion for the written word and its analysis. Sometimes in his life outside of Wikipedia he gets threats of torture or death for unknown reasons.[d] Maybe he tries to be too insightful, open-minded, and vocal for his own good.

NPOV and objectivity[edit]

Themis, the goddess of Justice in Ancient Greece

Due to Thinker78's trying to be impartial and unbiased in his analysis and editing, sometimes editors tend to accuse him ironically of being partial and biased, more specially in controversial topics. This is because he tries to think and analyze independently, questioning what he thinks needs to be questioned and playing the Devil's advocate.

This, without trying to adopt, or make exception to his skepticism, the majority's position only because it is the majority's or popular position. This is not to say he won't adopt the majority or minority position if he thinks it is the proper thing to do based on logic and Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. These two latter for some reason in his opinion seem to be often ignored in favor of a single page's status quo or editors' personal opinions.

Basic information[edit]

Prometheus being tortured
I feel meditative[1]
The person behind this user has been a registered user of Wikipedia since at least 29 January 2008.
This user has been registered in Wikipedia since November 29, 2015.
This user has made over
15,000 edits to Wikipedia.
This user is one of the 10,000 most active English Wikipedians of all time.

ESU99.2% for major edits and 99.5% for minor edits. – Last update: 30 July 2023.


Veritas, the goddess of Truth in Ancient Rome
Este usuario puede contribuir con un nivel profesional del español chapín.
en-5This user can contribute with a professional level of English.
This user is a translator from Spanish to English on Wikipedia:Translation.
~(p&~p)This user studies the concept of logic.

To do[edit]

Regular actions[edit]

Check daily:

  1. change online and mood statuses
  2. reset checklist
  3. watchlist
  4. tasks working on
  5. pending consensus
  6. pending other action
  7. planned tasks
  8. updated edits and bar
    1. change biweekly in the calends and ides (last, 18 Nov 2023; next 1 Dec).
Daily activities check
Action Checked Done
Change status x x
watchlist x x
checked/updated edits and bar x 0
tasks working on x
pending consensus x e
pending other action x e
RFC x e
planned tasks x 0

Tasks in process[edit]

These are some tasks I am currently working on, but not necessarily include all. Try adding no more than 3-5 at a time to avoid a long list.

Time sensitive[edit]

Discussions and RFC[edit]

In requests for comments, be concise, understandable, and provide option A and B if applicable. Before ending it, post about the consensus you think was reached, maybe pinging all editors who contributed. Follow "Pending consensus" procedure.

Categories for Discussion[edit]

Not time sensitive[edit]

  • Create page for Guatemala's Supreme Court President Beatriz de León. 02:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC). 11 Oct 2023
Discussions and RFC[edit]



Pending consensus[edit]

Implement changes after 7 days if there is consensus. After 7 days, if there is no editors' input in the relevant talk page thread and no sign of opposition to my latest entry, post a notice that change will be implemented in 7 days, per WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS.[e] But remember, per WP:TALKDONTREVERT, "Consensus cannot always be assumed simply because editors stop responding to talk page discussions in which they have already participated."


Pending other action[edit]

Tasks to do pending other action.


Planned tasks[edit]

If you are a visitor in my profile page, you are most than welcome performing these tasks.


January to June 2022[edit]

  • Fix references problems at Spanish–American War, including broken links and refs not matching in edit mode 16:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Join WikiProject Grammar after taking refresher course. 19:33, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Request inclusion of Wikiprojects in welcome templates to have more specialized support from new editors. 19:33, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Add persecution section to article Jainism. 17:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

July - December 2022[edit]

  • Open thread in relevant talk page to discuss adding guideline or information page advising that articles about politicians should have certain sections and information. 15:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Discuss in relevant venue whether Wikipedia:Closing discussions applies also to regular talk page discussions, per closure challenge. 00:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Cerebellum.17:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Open a new thread in the article talk page of Donald Trump to discuss the Political legacies edit addition. 23:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Open a discussion in relevant talk page about process of closing regular talk page discussions. 23:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Add example for MOS:PRONPLACEMENT 15:35, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Work on article Yin and yang 19:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Analyze if there is correlation between COI edit request length and time in queue. 9 Nov 2022
  • Ask about adding info about Elliot interview in Roosevelt. 29 Nov 2022

January - June 2023[edit]


July - December 2023[edit]

Tasks done[edit]

These tasks only reflect some edits I planned on doing for later, which may be just a fraction of my total edits overall.

Extended content

 Done Cleanup Ricardo Quiñónez Lemus Finished 16:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done Comment in controversy of talk page of Rape in Islamic law

 Done Add info of danger of high dose of vitamin c 16:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Finished 19:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Customize my signature 16:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC) Finished by 19 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Move draft by coi editor. 05:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC) Finished 03:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done Work on MOS:LEADSENTENCE to fix cluttering in example. 18:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC) Finished 02:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC) reverted. Done2 16:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Work on lead sentence of Vaccination policy.17:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Discuss Donald Trump article paragraphs talk page section. 18:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 Done Add page history to Marquisate of Villena redirect and check my original page creation. 17:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC) Finished 23 June 2022

 Done Add kb and words columns to table in MOS:LEADLENGTH (under the heading article length). 18:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Scheduled to implement on 27 June 2022. Done 27 June 2022.

 Done Challenge in the proper venue the closure by Specifico of the "Political legacies" thread in the talk page of Donald Trump. 17:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC) Done 1 July 2022

 Done Finish modifying instructions in How to copyedit page of the Guild. 21:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC) Implement on 2 July 2022. Done on 3 July 2022

 Done Contact administrator for advice regarding noticeboard "Political legacies" closure challenge.17:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Do on 6 July 2022. Done on 6 July 2022

 Done Work on lede of Nancy Pelosi. Done 8 July 2022

 Done Work on lead sentence of Nicholas I. 18:10, 4 January 2022 (UTC) Done 10 July 2022

 Not done Discuss birth issue on lede of Elizabeth II 18:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Not done 10 July 2022

 Done Check resolution of "Political legacies" closure challenge. 19:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Done 20 July 2022

 Done Discussion in thread titled, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#In a long lead, is it good practice for the first, short para to be a summary of the rest? 21 July 2022

 Done Analyze discussion about change in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Seeking consensus for table modification. 21:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Done 20:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Create page for Guatemala's Supreme Court President Silvia Valdés. 17:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC) Done 31 July 2022

 Done Copyedit first sentence of Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal.16:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC) Done 3 August 2022

 Done Work on lead of Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway, including reducing number of paragraphs. 21:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC) Done 5 August 2022

 Done Archive my talk page. 5 August 2022. Done 5 August 2022

 Not done (better focus on consensus). New page reviewer. 18:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC) 10 Aug 2022

 Done Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification. 12 Aug 2022

 Done Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia essays Proposal to change the scale 02:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC) Check activity of author, to post on talk page.

 Done Talk:Louis X of France#First sentence 12 Aug 2022. Check RFC

 Done Removal of my rfc publicizing from noticeboard 15 Aug 2022

 Done Template talk:Leadcite comment 23 Aug 2022

 Not done (lack of time) Draft talk:Lauryn Evarts Bosstick 22 Aug 2022 (analyze notability)

 Done Talk:Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal#The current first sentence is irrelevant 13 Aug 2022 - 8 Sep 22

 Done Work on Marc Dutroux16:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC) - 14 Sep 2022

 Done Work on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Latin abbreviations 15 Sep 2022

 Not done (maybe not enough references) User:Thinker78/Pedro Perebal 12 Aug 2022 - 18 Sep 2022

 Done RfC: A TikToker, associates, other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?

 Done How to create a numbered list without indent? 25 Oct 2022

 Done Suggest change in lead sentence of World War 1. 9 Nov 2022

 Done Appeal of removal of discussion 11 Nov 2022

 Done Talk:Tudor Dixon 19 Nov 2022 done 7 Dec 2022

 Done Copyedit first sentence Guatemalan Revolution 17 Nov 2022 done 29 Nov 2022

 Done Talk:World War I 17 Nov 2022 Done on 16 Dec 2022

 Done Talk:Rupert Sheldrake#Positions in institutions in lead should be modified 19 Nov 2022 Done 29 Dec 2022

 Done A MOS:ALTNAME subsection duplicates function of MOS:LEADLANG 5 Jan 2023 Done 8 Jan 2022

 Done Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Revert 24 January 2023 (original) Implemented 10 February 2023

 Done Talk:Dependent territory#UN list of dependent territories 9 Feb 2023 - 16 Feb 2023

 Done Work on MOS:REDUNDANCY note. 14 Apr 2023 - 15 Apr 2023

 Done Achieving neutrality tweak 10 Nov 22 - 12 May 2023

 Done Categorize assassinated politicians by time. 25 Mar 2023 - 17 may 2023

 Done Excessive clutter of Gaddafi example 11 May 2023 - 22 May 2023

 Done Create the article Eunice Dwumfour. 22 Mar 2023 - 27 May 2023

 Done Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:Assassinated politicians in the Americas 17 May 2023 - 7 June 2023

 Done Follow up on revert at Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory - 3 Aug 2023 - 8 Aug 2023

 Done Follow up on Wikipedia talk:Edit requests#Appealing a rejection - 12 July 2023 - 9 Aug 2023

 Done Follow up on Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi references. 15 Aug 2023

 Done Discuss modifying the first sentence of Oxford English Dictionary - 15 June 2023 - 15 Aug 2023

 Done Close Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 381#Is NewsGuard reliable for checking accuracy of news sites? 25 Aug 2023

 Done Create the article Ana Catalina Soberanis. 2 May 2023 - 6 Sep 2023

 Done Add first women presidents to Category:Women's firsts - 17 Sep 2023 - 4 Oct 2023


Categories for discussion[edit]


Page and talk[edit]

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    • Add <references group=pron/> to Notes section (substitute pron with relevant text).
    • Remove <ref name=ahd/> if the reference is not going to be used elsewhere. If included and there is no such named reference an error will appear about an invoked ref not defined.
  • Wikitext citation:
    • <ref>{{Cite web|url= |title= |last= |first= |date= |website= |publisher= |access-date= |quote=}}</ref>
  • {{sfn}} To link abridged in-line citation to full citation.
  • [[w:es:artículo]] interwiki link to Spanish Wikipedia
  • <!-- hidden comment -->
  • {{Quote frame}}
  • {{Disputed inline|Talk page section}}
  • {{Ordered list|Item 1|Item 2}} No indent in ordered list.
  • MediaWiki API result - to check the coding syntax of an edit summary (add numeric id of the edit in the address bar)




More templates[edit]

Issues and discussions[edit]

Wikipedia philosophy and learning[edit]

Post a note, pleaseThis user believes that edits need
useful summaries
This user tries to do the right thing. If they make a mistake, please let them know.
<ref>This user recognizes the importance of citing sources.
This user believes that new editors who commit vandalism should be treated with love, patience, tolerance and understanding.
This user believes that an editor should be humble, and weigh arguments by their rationality and not solely by the seniority of the other editor.
This user thinks it is a sad day when an editor, specially an administrator, doesn't want to seek consensus and unreasonably refuses to provide verifiable evidence of what they say.
This user realizes that a single short edit can take an hour or more of work
This editor has learned not to copy edit unsourced information.
This user realizes that it can take eight hours of work to copyedit a short article of 2000 words.
This editor has learned to read article's tags before copyediting.
This user has discovered that some contributors have been Wikipedia editors for more than ten years with thousands of edits, and they still use unreliable sources...
This editor has learned that a single revert may be edit warring.
This user has learned to have in mind specific examples before making proposals to modify policies or guidelines.
This user pledges to return to
Old-Fashioned Wikipedian values.
This user has scored 189 in the Wikipediholic test.

Opinion about administrators[edit]

Administrators are users who volunteer their time and who go beyond what a regular editor does. For that alone they deserve praise. But as any person imbued with authority, some administrators act in undesirable ways. For example, they may display the badge when there is absolutely no need to, specially when doing regular edits as any other editor. They may feel entitled to not be pointed out Wikipedia guidance by regular editors and may get annoyed, offended, or angered when an editor dares to do so, or worse if a regular editor dares to criticize them.

They may take unfair adverse actions against editors who they don't like or who criticized them or a fellow administrator, when the context permits it (like denying certain rights or permissions). And they may cover for each other just like police departments do. In some situations, even non-administrators may pile on editors who commit the sin of pointing out policies or guidelines to an administrator, like if they know it all, are above rules and can't make mistakes.

After all, administrators and the Wikipedia community are people too, and as people they have the same qualities and defects as society at large.

Consensus vs no consensus[edit]

Consensus in a discussion is the agreement or support of a proposal by at least a majority of participants who provided non-repeated reasonable arguments. This ideally reflecting objectively more weight of said arguments, which provides proper basis for a consensus decision.

No consensus occurs when there is an unclear balance in the weight of reasons regarding an action in a good faith discussion.

Good advice from an administrator[edit]

Sometimes, people just disagree. There is no one, singular Right® way, it is a matter of editorial preference. If you find that the majority disagree with you, you just accept it and move on. It doesn't matter that you disagree or why. Plenty of times I disagree with the consensus/majority, but it is just my life experience, my viewpoint, the way I learned to use the English language. Not everyone has the same background or preferences. Once it is clear that you are in the minority, it is best to just thank them for participating, and bow out. Everyone is on minority side of consensus from time to time.If I could offer some advice, it would be to work on being more concise. People are more willing to consider your perspective when you only use one or two paragraphs and keep it simple. Quoting policy or MOS doesn't really help; people like what they like. So present the before and after, and keep the "why I like this" down to a sentence or two, in plain English. Then they are more likely to read everything you wrote, rather than gloss over the extended reasoning and form an opinion prematurely. The point by point edits did you no favors. It is also more effective to say why your way is better, rather than focus on why the other way is wrong. Positivity often rules the day. Dennis Brown - 18:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The status quo sometimes is wrong[edit]

For a long time, years in fact, the page Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal had as status quo a first sentence that didn't reflect guidance of MOS:FIRST. It was more fit for the biographical page of Jimmy Savile and inappropriate for the article at hand because it didn't even mention the main topic, the scandal. When I changed it to follow the guideline, I was reverted. I posted in the talk page about my rationale but there was no input.

I proceeded to summon editors from the community at large in a Wikipedia:Requests for comment, which had a lot of input. The immediate and final consensus agreed with me, that the page had an inappropriate first sentence.

I didn't do something important: seek consensus to officially end the discussion and implement the change. This is recommended to be done even if it's your own rfc and the consensus about the change seems evident. This reduces the risk of outrage and incivility.

The moral of the story is that sometimes the status quo needs to be challenged, but challenged properly.

First female governor in the Americas was from Guatemala[edit]

Beatriz de la Cueva, governor of Guatemala

I learned that Beatriz de la Cueva was the first female governor in North America and all the Americas. She was born in Spain and was governor of the Captaincy General of Guatemala. Apparently, reading the List of first women governors and chief ministers, there was no other female governor in the Americas, for almost 400 years.

Talk page guidance[edit]

Arbitration principles[edit]



Enforced essays[edit]

Other essays[edit]

New words learned in Wikipedia[edit]

Betoken: To give evidence of.[4] [f] 21:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Bowdlerization or expurgation: Form of censorship that involves purging anything deemed noxious or offensive from an artistic work, or other type of writing or media. 22:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Guillemet: Pair of punctuation marks in the form of sideways double chevrons, « and », used as quotation marks in a number of languages. 22:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Grognard: Veteran and most prestigious elements of Napoleon's Imperial Guard and Army.

Metonymy: Figure of speech in which a concept is referred to by the name of something closely associated with it.

Mirabilia: Plural of mirabile. Marvels or wonders.

Synecdoche: Metonymy in which a term for a part of something is used to refer to the whole.

Gadfly: Person who interferes with the status quo of a society or community by posing novel, potentially upsetting questions.

Etymon: Earlier origin word of another one (plural: etyma).

Metathesis: Transposition of sounds or syllables in a word, or of words in a sentence.

Panegyric: Formal public speech or written verse, delivered in high praise.

Psychopomp: Entity believed to escort deceased souls to an afterlife. 8 Feb 2023

Argufy: To argue without any aim. 29 March 2023

Deracinate: Uproot people. 29 March 2023

Ides: Middle of the month in the Roman calendar. 26 April 2023

Therianthropy: Mythological capacity to shapeshift.

General philosophy[edit]

VThis user is vegan. Share the compassion!
This user is an antinatalist, who believes people should choose not to have children.
This user may be an antinatalist, but he strongly believes people should have the right to have the number of children they want.
This user is a skeptic, who believes a true skeptic questions everything, not just minority views.
This user is a freethinker, but mainly a
free thinker.
DEATHThis Wikipedian thinks that one strong possibility is that there is nothing after death. Although one never knows.
According to the Political compass, this user is Economic Left (−4.13) and Social Libertarian (−5.74).
This editor is an agnostic who nevertheless beseeches supreme entities of Good and Justice.

Memberships and roles[edit]

This user is a member of WikiProject History.
This user is a member of the Royalty and Nobility task force.
This user is a member of WikiProject Politics.
This user is a member of Wikiproject Religion. What's the truth?

This user is a member of WikiProject Categories.
Face-smileThis user is a member of the Welcoming Committee of Wikipedia!
This user is a member of
WikiProject Guatemala.
This user is a member of
WikiProject Maps
Map Workshop (watch)

More wikiprojects[edit]

Help Desk
This user volunteers at the
Wikipedia Help Desk.
This user is a member of the WikiProject Unreferenced articles.
WikiProject User warningsThis user participates in
WikiProject User Warnings.
This user is a member of
WikiProject Cleanup.
This user is a member of
the Guild of Copy Editors.
Is human.This user is a member of the Grammar WikiProject.

This user is a member of
WikiProject Latin America.
This user is a member of WikiProject Russia.
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WikiProject Maryland.
This user is a member of the Montgomery task force.

This user is a Wikipedia tipster.
Kindness CampaignThis user is a member of the Kindness Campaign.
This user is a member of
WikiProject Veganism
and Vegetarianism
This user is a member of Wikipedians against censorship.
This user is a member of the Birthday Committee!

Special forums or talk entries[edit]

Talk pages, administrators' noticeboard, arbitration, other forum.

Milestones and deeds[edit]

Don Pelayo de Asturias
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This editor is a
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This user has participated in 2 Backlog Elimination Blitzes and 2 Backlog Elimination Drives with the Guild of Copy Editors.
On July 2018, this editor realized he had enough pages in the watchlist and started unwatching pages.

Service progress[edit]

On 20 February 2023, this user reached 8,000 edits.
On 6 June 2023 this user reached 10,000 edits, with the article Paul Doumer.

Update biweekly in the calends and ides (last updated 18 Nov; next, 1 Dec).

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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Hey there! This is for how nice you were on my page to such a newbie. Good on ya! Rexlikescheese (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For cleaning up Dhvani Desai. Keep contributing. :) Nizil (talk) 04:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
The Modest Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Thinker78 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
The Civility Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Thinker78 for his calm under pressure and noble work on wikipedia. Keep up the good work sir! May1787 (talk) 01:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
The Editor's Barnstar
I have a great appreciation for editors who can put their biases aside. It should be applauded any time it's recognized. Keep up the good work. Nemov (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Articles created or translated[edit]

First sentences edited[edit]





  • It took me almost 12 hours throughout a week to work 22 edits or 246 words of "readable prose size" of the article 1990s—on average, about 2 edits per hour, half an hour (0.5h) per edit (including research), or 20 words per hour, 3 minutes per word. 22 April 2022
  • It can take me 2 hours of analysis to reply to a talk page post.


June 22, 2018: Transclusion. In Talk:Noah's Ark#Myth vs account or story controversy, it took me more than two and a half hours to figure out how to properly format it, given that initially text was just copied from the help desk to the talk page of Noah's Ark. Initially I was just looking at which way was more proper to indicate that text was "moved". I thought about hatnotes, but I spent a long time analyzing the guideline to see if it was proper use. I figured out that I could use a transclusion hatnote. But soon I got embroiled in finding a way to indicate which text was actually moved, because a new discussion was started. I found out about boxes. But then I realized I would have to actually transclude the text. Which I finally managed to do, transcluding the text. Yay!

Hall of fame[edit]

In memoriam[edit]

User:Ed, reportedly a 14 year-old editor with thousands of edits, founder of Wikipedia:Esperanza, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Lists. Inspiring!

Longest threads I have walked in[edit]

  1. Edit dif 1104699210 and its related RfC: A TikToker, associates, other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not? By User:Bookku. More than 14,500 words. Update: 1,800 more words! With User:USaamo in continuance of the saga! (15 Oct 22).
  2. A mountain out of molehill? By and mention of Sideswipe9th and Softlemonades. Around 7,000 words.



Psychological stress
This editor has learned from personal experience that controversies in Wikipedia can lead to high levels of stress which can cause in turn severe adverse health effects. This is no different from controversies at work or in other settings although probably less severe because you can always step away from Wikipedia for as long as you want, something you cannot always do at work.
French military intelligence duress
This editor has learned that the French military intelligence coerced with judiciary threats a Wikipedia editor into deleting the Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station article from the French Wikipedia.[6]
Saudi Arabia sentenced Wikipedians to years in prison
This editor has learned that the Saudi government sentenced two editors for adding content “deemed to be critical about the persecution of political activists in the country.”[7]


Ignorance and murderous savagery[edit]

Contemporary accounts state Mongol soldiers looted and then destroyed mosques, palaces, libraries, and hospitals. Priceless books from Baghdad's thirty-six public libraries were torn apart, the looters using their leather covers as sandals.[8] Grand buildings that had been the work of generations were burned to the ground. The House of Wisdom (the Grand Library of Baghdad), containing countless precious historical documents and books on subjects ranging from medicine to astronomy, was destroyed. Claims have been made that the Tigris ran red from the blood of the scientists and philosophers killed.[9][10] Citizens attempted to flee, but were intercepted by Mongol soldiers who killed in abundance, sparing no one, not even children.


  1. ^ Non-government investigator, not a university-educated scientist, not a private investigator in the mainstream concept (
  2. ^ By training but not certified (didn't do the exam)
  3. ^ Even though constantly in conflict and at loggerheads with management due to his union position and duties, management itself recognized his work as one of the best in the organization. Following the status quo sometimes leads to usual and mediocre outcomes. Innovation and controversy is sometimes a most to improve things.
  4. ^ An example: A random stranger on the street approached him and chitchats. Eventually the stranger told him to think things before getting left without skin.
  5. ^ "An edit has presumed consensus until it is disputed or reverted. Should another editor revise that edit then the new edit will have presumed consensus until it meets with disagreement."
  6. ^ Infinitive: to betoken, preterite: betokened, past participle: betokened[5]


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  7. ^ Belanger, Ashley (6 Jan 2023). "Wikipedia admin jailed for 32 years after alleged Saudi spy infiltration". Ars Technica. Retrieved 8 Jan 2023.
  8. ^ Murray, S.A.P. (2012). The library: An illustrated history. New York: Skyhorse Publishing, pp. 54.
  9. ^ Frazier, I., "Invaders: Destroying Baghdad," New Yorker Magazine, [Special edition: Annals of History], April 25, 2005, Online Issue Archived 2018-06-12 at the Wayback Machine
  10. ^ Szczepanski, Kallie. "How the Mongols Took Over Baghdad in 1258." ThoughtCo. (accessed February 10, 2021).

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