I just noticed an IP reverted your prod tag on Rectology. I was about to revert the IP, but it occured to me it may be better to simply redirect the page to Proctology. However, I'd like to hear your opinion before making the move. —AldeBaer (c) 14:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind, just realised you have put it on AfD. —AldeBaer (c) 14:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Look, everyone! It's a new user, but not a vandal, a spammer, or a bored teenager! Applaud![edit]
Hello and thanks for tagging the post I was just working on could you please giver me any pointers on referencing this properly and what other tags i should add on new articles? I'm new and just learning the ropes here TY :) Alagrave 02:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
responded on your talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
That's a notable person? It looked like you were trying to use Wikipedia to promote your company; I didn't see any evidence in what you added that your company was notable, or that this person was. As I said on your talk page, Wikipedia isn't the right place to advertise your company's services. Since you've continued to do so after the final warning, I've requested that you be blocked from making further edits to Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[1]... should go on the user page, not the talk page. Cheers! Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much; I'll do it right next time. In thirty seconds, when he comes back with a new username, probably. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
No prob. SummerThunder's ummm... persistent! There's also a quicker version of the set of templates... I don't have a direct link, but here's from my talk archive talk archive. Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Awesome! I love learning new codes. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, you can just put sock rather than the full word... less keystrokes! And maybe after tomorrow, you can press a button. ;) Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Or maybe I'll find some novel way to mess up so spectacularly that eight-five people come back to change their opinions. Something they'll talk about in hushed whispers for years to come... I'll have to give it a little thought. I have a few good ideas, actually... but I'd hate to give them to the real vandals who frequent my talk page. Guess I'll just behave myself, then. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
'Bout time you get your bloody mop. Tired of clearing up after your backlogs. ;) ~ Riana⁂ 05:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't remember why I'm still awake, anyway. I may stop filling up the CSD backlog and get a little sleep, maybe even pursue having some sort of "life." I've read about them on Wikipedia, and they sound interesting. -FisherQueen (Talk) 05:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
They come in cans, apparently. I've read about them, but they're not available online, so I'm not about to go looking. ~ Riana⁂ 05:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Good-faith user with whom I disagreed about some external links[edit]
Hi FisherQueen
Pendle Hill Press is a Quaker press, and the bookstore there is a Quaker bookstore. (I worked there). Which additions did you remove? How do I get to your talk page - your talk page doesn't seem to offer the opportunity to talk? Thanks, Aphilo (Talk) 15:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Answered on your talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I worked there 15+ years ago. The others are bookstores, too, I think.
Yes, if it's a book publisher and not just a bookstore, it is a perfectly reasonable link to add, and I must have misread the link, from which I didn't see that. I think you're lovely, and please feel free to carry on. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! See? My attempt at sabotage failed miserably! ;) Flyguy649talkcontribs 17:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations from me as well, FisherQueen; good luck! Acalamari 17:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow. Me, a Wikipedia administrator. I feel this rush of power, and a strange urge to delete the main page. I'll try not to screw up too badly. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
W00t. Second time lucky, eh ;) Good luck; if you need any help just leave me a message and I'll try to assist. See ya around :) Majorly (talk) 17:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congrats, mate. —Anastalk? 17:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations! I didn't even get to Support! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! Funny message, BTW. Eddie 17:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I am sure you will do just fine. :) You are very welcome for the strong support. Acalamari 18:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. Let me know if you need some help with those first tentative steps!! Enjoy. The Rambling Man 18:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Argh! You're not supposed to mention the three other buttons. Now we have to change everything... =) -- Gogo Dodo 18:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Geez, it took me 2 weeks to notice that functionality... you are a quick learner.--Isotope23 19:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
You're an admin? Oh right, I supported! :D —AldeBaer (c) 19:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The purée. Button would be my favorite.. Congrats, Well deserved!!!--Hu12 20:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, you'll certainly need one of these. Congratulations! Sandahl 20:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hee... I screwed up already. Oh, well. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh God, she blocked Jimbo and left Jimmy, didn't she? - Philippe | Talk 20:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
So, just out of curiosity, what is the shortest amount of time anyone's had between becoming an admin and being desysopped? -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations!! If you do screw up again there is always 861 minus 1 who can help you ;) Sebi[talk] 21:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC) merged rfa threads into this one, if you liked the old version, revert, but, *begs* please don't block me O Wise and Worthy one! :)
I think the shortest time was Michaelas10, who got himself desysopped about 3-4 days in by deleting the main page by accident :) I'm sure you won't do the same... anyway, good luck with it, I'm sure you'll do a terrific job! Take care! ~ Riana⁂ 02:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. Congratulations - I'm sure you'll do an awesome job! WjBaway 23:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations on passing RfA! I'm sure you'll do a great job, I ran into you on newpage patrol a couple times since and was hoping you'd get it. Just be careful with those kill, purée and eject buttons... although i have to say, all three at once in that order would work kinda nicely as a rouge admin equivalent of "crush, kill, destroy" ;) - Zeibura(Talk) 00:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You asked for it, now staaaattt moppin;-)--Fuhghettaboutit 03:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Just curious, but have you had the chance to take a glimpse of that article? Because meatingplace.com is considered a significant source of meat processing news for many industries. Other than that article, another article was written in Commerce Magazine http://www.cianj.org/. I couldn't find the article on their website, but I don't have a copy of that magazine with the article in it. I could scan the article from the magazine and upload it onto this talkpage somehow for you to see. What seems to be doubting you of this company's significance or reality if I may ask?
The criteria require multiple, independent, nontrivial sources. You have thus far offered one article, which does not fit any reasonable of 'multiple.' -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright, thats totally understandable, I'm sure it would help a lot if they had a website. Due to the terms which I failed to comply to with this article, is it going to be removed? Also, how did this go from blatant advertising, to not having enough nontrivial sources?
Doldja 19:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The person who first tagged the article tagged it as blatant advertising, which is one reason to delete. In addition to that, it appeared to be an advertisement for a non-notable company, which is another reason to delete. Wikipedia articles have to be neutral and sourced. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The correct response when you see an article that is not properly sourced is to add sources, not to create another unsourced article. I have deleted the article Glen Rock Ham as you requested. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added notes to the talk page of SearchingEasy about defining "multiple, independent, nontrivial sources." I hope you do not mind. Bearian 19:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Not at all; I suspect that there are no such sources, but it does no harm to give the creator a chance, just in case. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey FQ, I hope you don't mind, I've reblocked the above account indefinitely. I don't think we're going to get that guy on our side anytime soon, and the variety of the vandalism indicates that they are definitely here to cause disruption. ~ Riana ⁂ 04:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. I'm being kind of cautious with my new buttons until I'm confident that I'm using them appropriately, but I have no problem with an indef block. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, phew :) Back as TheBlaze1426 by the way... ~ Riana ⁂ 04:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
That account wasn't created today... he must have had a backup account already in place. Not very nice of him. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Now he's created an RfA for himself on his userpage. Fascinating. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm very stupid. That's not his userpage, that's TheBlaze1426, in article space. Silly me; that needs to be smacked down. Just think of all the precious vandalism time he wasted working on it... I'm half tempted to wait until he's finished with it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh dear, I believe the "wrongful accusement of vandolism" was from me? To think I may have deprived this site of our next RickK. :( ~ Riana ⁂ 04:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
...and look what else is back: Category:2008 births. This vandal-tagging is even more fun when you can block. That's User:Thewiggerofoz.... -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Protected from recreation. :/ ~ Riana ⁂ 05:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Admin-y question: When the vandalism-only doofus I blocked makes an unblock request, do I reject him myself, or let some other admin review the decision and reject him? -FisherQueen (Talk) 05:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Best to let someone else have a look. I'll take a look now... ~ Riana ⁂ 05:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
And was I in the wrong to block him for doing nothing but vandalising and creating attack pages, when he'd gotten four warnings but not, technically, the one with the stop sign on it? Should I have given him the final-warning template first? -FisherQueen (Talk) 05:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry that Jesus called you a bitch. I think you're a bitch, too, but only in the good way. -FisherQueen (Talk) 05:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Not at all. Someone who creates an article about the world's biggest jewniggerfaggot - a nice job if you can it, I suppose - as their very first edit is unlikely to settle down and play nicely anytime soon. Don't worry about it ;) Oh, and if Jesus calls me a bitch, I guess it's true? ~ Riana ⁂ 05:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Blocks are preventative, not punitive. I've blocked blatant vandals with no warnings just to stop the vandalism. As Riana said, if all edits are vandalism it is unlikely the individual is here to be constructive. It's a judgment call, but blocking to stop the vandalism and then engaging the editor on the talkpage is an option with blatant vandals... and yeah, I expect you will see more talkpage comments now. Prepare yourself for the deluge of people you've wronged by deleting their obviously notable article about themselves, by protecting the wrong version of an article, or by abusing your admin powers by blocking them when they were obviously in the right on an edit war. Just remember: it is always your fault.--Isotope23 16:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm a teacher, so I'm used to everything being my fault. It seems like I'm blamed for the downfall of western civilization every time there's a slow news day... and thanks for the good advice. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, my job is one where it's always my fault, so getting blamed for everyone else's woes wasn't too big of an adjustment. It's actually kind of funny sometimes. I once got a half dozen messages from various new accounts chastising me for my "accidental deletion" of the "obviously notable" article about "plowing legend" Tobin Shepherd. Oh and I almost forgot, get ready for the claims that you are somehow suppressing peoples' free speech rights when you block them or delete articles. I see any more of those I'm going to end up writing a new essay: WP:PARTF1A (aka Wikipedia: Please Actually Read the 1st Amendment).--Isotope23 17:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
On the increase in talkpage comments front: I delete a lot of articles (and before that tagged thousands) and it was and is rare for any of the creators to say boo on my talk page. I have no hard evidence of this but I think it's because I have an almost impenetrable userpage that gives nothing to go on when vandisspamcruftizers want to post ad hominem attacks (as opposed to addressing the reason for deletion). So if you get fed up with being attacked, you could try removing your userboxes as an experiment.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know... my userpage is pretty much devoid of anything that would give fuel to ad hominem; yet I get at least occasional Godwin's Law violations on my talkpage. Strangely I never get attacked for being male, an admin, or apparently having read a few books.--Isotope23 18:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Ah, but- and I realize that this makes me a terrible person- listening to these folks bitch and whine is sometimes really amusing for me... -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
That's exactly correct. I get a perverse joy out of being smarter then them, and knowing the policies thoroughly, and being right, and watching them squirm around in their ignorant rage. I'm not a nice person at all, but one has to take one's joys where one can. -18:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Please also consider the deletion of Burritos bowl, which is essentially a duplicate page created by the same author. BassoProfundo 16:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Why was Burrito Bowl Deleted? I wasn't even given time to add to it. Its similar to the wikipedia page of "taco salad", in that it is a menu item that is widely popular with the national mexican chains. Burrito123 18:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
And, as I think the messages on your talk page explain, it was different from Taco salad in that the article offered no reliable sources that would support that this is a notable food product about which there is enough to say for an encyclopedia to need an article about it. If you find, not just menus verifying that it exists, but two or three significant news or cuisine publications writing articles explaining its importance and cultural significance, then take those sources to Deletion Review and explain why the article should be undeleted. Frankly, I'm not convinced that we need that Taco salad article, either, and may invest a little time in research to see if it needs to be nominated for deletion as well. In my opinion, it isn't a good example of a well-sourced article. For a well-sourced article about a common restaurant food, look at our article on the hamburger. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind working on both of those, but I need more than a day before it's deleted. I guess I'll work on it in a word document until its fully completed. Burrito123 18:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. Some people also like to work on articles in their own userspace; you can create a subpage like User:Burrito123/Burrito bowl to keep it in temporarily. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Also taco salad was voted on, and it was voted to be kept. Burrito123 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out and saving me the effort- I hadn't looked at the talk page yet. That one had enough sources that I wouldn't have deleted it without submitting it to the community for discussion; now I know what the result might be. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hiya. Thanks for letting me know about Michelle Tucker - sometimes it's hard to draw the line between an amateurish attempt at a new article, and an amateurish attempt at attacking the no-doubt sterling character of a classmate, older sister, or what have you.
Also, in re: AMSSI - I had CSD'd the article once or twice that night, and must have finally flipped out, and forgotten that previous CSD's or Prods weren't eligible. It was still deleted, no doubt for the reasons I had originally marked it as speedy. --Action Jackson IV 18:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
That explains why I couldn't find the AfD... I can completely understand that chain of thought. I thought Michelle Tucker was an attack at first, too, and would have deleted without a thought if the creator hadn't defended it with a hangon tag to point out the references. For a porn star, you'd think she'd have a picture that didn't look quite so much like somebody's sister standing in her own kitchen... -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess the Michelle Tucker experience helps illustrate why previous prods and speedies aren't eligible for G4 :) And don't worry, no hard feelings - considering I've probably tagged more than fifty articles in the past 24 hours, if you really were out to get me, and only managed to remove two tags, I'd have reason to worry... :-D --Action Jackson IV 20:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen, I never said that sparkleballs are "cool" or "pretty." That's not the point. They are actually quite homely. They are also a below-radar phenomenon and folk art of which I hoped to make note. When I read the entry for "beadwork" for example, there is a definition for it as a craft. Sparkleball-making is a craft. What if I were to cite myself as an artisan of sparkleballs and then cite another maker as well? Or cite two other sparkleball-makers?Vidamasvida 20:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, from the picture you put in the article, I think they're both cool and pretty. But how could you cite yourself? Have you published an article on the subject? Reliable sources are published pieces of writing from a source with an editorial staff that verifies accuracy. That's the heart of the notability criteria, which is one of the tools Wikipedia uses to keep its accuracy. You don't cite people, you cite writing- if such writing exists, then that's great, because I'd love to see this article come back. Just take those sources to Deletion Review and explain that you can show that the subject meets the notability guideline, and the community will discuss and then bring the article right back. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Why am I not allowed to create this article? Please explain! The only reasons why previous administrators have deleted my content is because of the fact that my sources were not verified and that my article was too short. Another reason was that wikipedia is not the place where I can provide information about an online game to online gamers. I find this preposterous because there are wikipedia articles that talk about online gaming and they have not yet been deleted. Look up "Gunz the Duel" and "9Dragons". I have a reason to create this article. I have spoken to 3 different admins. Please do not intervene in my reasoning! I do not like to be messed with. I want to talk to one admin only and get this issue dealt with! I don't want to have this situation dealt with by 5 different admins, all of whom have different reasons to delete my article. I've talked with each admin and I've told them why I want to revoke their deletion of my article. Windrider07 20:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You have dealt with five different admins, one for each time you have recreated this article. The problem with the article is that it does not seem to meet the notability criteria. If you'd like to avoid being blocked, don't recreate the article, but instead, find the appropriate sources and make your case at Deletion Review to have the article undeleted, which they will be happy to do once you can show evidence that the article meets the notability criteria. If you think you've found other game articles that don't meet those criteria, it would be really helpful if you'd tag them for deletion, too- but make sure you fully understand the criteria first, and don't tag any that are verified by reliable sources. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
If my article is to be deleted, then I demand that these articles be deleted as well:
GunZ: the Duel wiki and http://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=9Dragons 9Dragons wiki]. These articles have not been deleted yet. Why haven't they been deleted yet? My articles contains inappropriate sources? I would start cursing but that would be inappropriate. Please tell me, is this link appropriate: Outspark website? If this link is not appropriate, then I might as well contact the webmaster of wikipedia and have you banned because that link is a link to a gaming company's website. That website is legal and is approved. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. So online gaming information cannot be displayed on it? Why not? Many people love online games and they want to learn about them. Those two articles that I mentioned above talk about online games and they have not yet been deleted. Let me assure you that I will not rest until I get a clear understanding of all this. My article does not deserve to be deleted, period. I'll do whatever it takes to get the admins to understand this because so far, no one understands my point of you. The only thing you guys have done is prevent me from sharing information about a game that many players want to learn about...on to the Deletion Review we go.
Also, I know have no idea whether or not an article has been verified or not. I'll tag those articles. I'll let the admins do the rest of the deciding. My definition of "reliable sources" if different from the admins. Windrider07 21:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, how do I tag the article? Windrider07 21:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
What, specifically, is it that you still don't understand after carefully reading the notability criteria and what a reliable source is? Your questions are all answered by those guidelines- have you read them, and do you understand them? Incidentally, could you link me to the "webmaster of Wikipedia" who will ban me, and also link me to the policy I have violated? -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm just angry and disturbed. I apologize for it. Now, since no one will consider my Fiesta Online article as an appropriate one, could I tag the other two gaming articles? How to tag an article? I can't even edit the articles. I can only edit the discussion pages. Windrider07 22:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Umm, how do I tag an article that I am unable to edit? Windrider07 02:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
You can't. Instead, you contact Can't sleep, clown will eat me, the administrator who protected the article, and ask him to lift the protection so you can tag it. If you're planning to tag GunZ: The Duel for speedy deletion, as you did with 9Dragons, make sure you can clearly explain to the admin which of the criteria for speedy deletion the article meets; those tags can only be used in very specific situations. It would be very unusual to speedily delete an article which has existed for so long and which so many different editors have worked on. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
How can I talk to him when his talk page is protected? Windrider07 03:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
You'll have to wait until he unprotects his talk page. There's no emergency. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for looking into that attack page. Normally I've no problem exercising patience, but it was evident that it was causing quite a bit of distress for the attack target. I really appreciate the quick action. --健次(derumi)talk 21:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
No worries, I happened to notice the conversation on your talk page and it seemed like something that needed to be taken care of right away. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi FisherQueen. My bad on this. I am just trying to update the profile of Judge Florentino Floro and since he had on his user profile, i just made copy and paste it. I didn't know that I will be categorize as sock puppet. My apologies. I hope my user profile would not be on the archive on black listed users.
No, you're a sockpuppet because you are Judge Floro, using a different name to avoid the objection that you shouldn't be editing the article about you. The stuff you're adding to the article is not helpful, or at least, the helpful parts are lost in the huge amount of material you're adding. Again I encourage you to stop editing the article about yourself. Are you at all interested in helping to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia, or are you only interested in writing about yourself? If you just want to write about yourself, Wikipedia isn't really the best place for you, and you'll probably be happier if you get a blog. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm not Judge Floro. I'm 200km (plus/minus) away from his location. I had his book and I just don't have time yet to put facts mano-mano on his case and that's the reason why I copy&paste the work on his user profile. Rest assured that it won't happen again. Still, thanking you for helping cleaning up the article. Melanie Almeria 07:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Replied there, but I was a little baffled by those articles too, and had noted them as something to do back and deal with later. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The user's contributions are a mixed bag - some blatant POV additions to some pages, and the creation of a bunch of fringe-notability pages like these. Basically, my interpretation would be it looks like it's very questionable notability and if it does hang on, it'll be by its fingernails. Sound about right? WLU 16:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
My favorite thing about that user are the odd obsession with sexual bondage. The combination of that and a bunch of dubiously notable Singapore military officials makes me wonder if Something Bad happened to him during the war... Anyway, the only question seems to be whether to prod or AfD these articles... why not go ahead and AfD them, and give the benefit of the doubt to Mr. Hot Singaporean Bondage?-FisherQueen (Talk) 16:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, that made me chuckle. I'll AFD the pages and let the chips fall where they may. My favourite things about C is the sly, almost casual insertion of reference to school uniforms into a variety of Singapore-related articles. I don't really object to their presence, but I can imagine the titilation felt when hitting the save button. But hey, AGF and assume he/she's right about the uniforms. WLU 16:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm so glad you pointed out this fascination, specifically, with the shorts that schoolgirls wear underneath their uniforms. To think, I might have gone my whole life without even wondering what girls in Singapore wear under their school uniforms... -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Fuck you bitch, why the fuck would you delete my fucking page for no fucking reason. Go fuck urself, and stop creating ur own pigshit articles and deleted others. Becuz other articles are giving good information that people would love to know. You're info is like pigshit. So once again go fuck urself bitchass ugly motherfucker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandercarneiro (talk • contribs)
You know, my mom is pretty hot. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I just had to revert it. Anytime the ratio of "fuck" to other words exceeds 1:10, my brain just siezes up and I have to crawl under my desk until my faith in humanity is restored. Trusilver 18:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It's fine; he had deleted the rest of my talk page to get this off his chest, and I think I'm in the minority of people who really enjoy a good misspelled tirade. Anyway, if my math is correct, that message is only 8% 'fuck.' -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
ah damn... so it is. I had counted an extra fuck in their my first time through... :-)Trusilver 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that; could've sworn it was in there. RedRollerskate 19:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
You put it in there; I'm not sure why it didn't show up on the screen, but once I looked at the code, I found it easily enough. Thanks for tagging it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I see you changed some of the improper speedy tags placed by User:Action_Jackson_IV. There seem to be literally dozens. could you perhaps take a look as his user contributions & if you think appropriate tell him to stop. i'm l known as an inclusionist :) that it might be better from someone else.DGG 22:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
He's done a lot of them right, though, and I hate to discourage him while he's mastering them. Whenever I've taken off a speedy tag, I've put a note on his talk page explaining why I removed it; he's been very nice about it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 03:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe you, even though I don't actually see a statement on that page that says that the source is GPL; still, a link to the copyright statement would be helpful for me. I could undelete it, but given that Wikipedia is not a manual, I'm not sure I understand why it is useful or helpful to copy and paste a Linux manual into Wikipedia. I could undelete it for you, but we'd still need to remove all the stuff that reads like a technical manual; is that what you'd like me to do? -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
That's interesting; I was withholding judgement until I'd read the statement on that page and seen what it licenses the material for. Thanks for pointing me to that part of the copyright policy. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
So, I have to rephrase the article to remove any quoting from another source, it's possible.. Futhermore I based my post on the load average article which references mpstat and netstat, and the netstat article. I didn't want to write a manual but I guess the netstat article is not well written. -thibault ketterer 5 mins later
Note: although user has signed this comment '5 mins later,' time signatures show that it was placed 7 hours after original comment. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
If you're still figuring out how to sign your posts, you do it by typing four tildes: ~~~~. And, yes, you won't be able to copy and paste any other sources when writing an article on Wikipedia. Good luck to you! -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
That's nice but you didn't answer my question. What I do now ? I can't undelete it myself, neither go back to another version.... Thibault.ketterer 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
If I didn't answer your question, it's because you forgot to ask it. What's the point in undeleting an article that consists of copyrighted material you can't use? 'Rephrasing' copyrighted material is still a copyright violation, just like your high school English teacher taught you back in tenth grade. If it's a notable program, you can create a new article, but be careful to write it in clear, simple English that a layperson can understand. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Inspired by the discussion below, I double-checked the article history, and I've restored your start to this article, before you added the copyrighted material. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
ok for me, I will finish it, in a better wikipedia-style :) Thibault.ketterer 17:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure we should delete the article? We could have kept the first two sentences as a stub ... they weren't copyvio (indeed, I was trying to do exactly that when you deleted it). I checked the sources and he passes WP:N. Daniel Case 16:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Separate from the copyvio question, he has already been through AfD and been deleted as insufficiently notable; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. James Andrews. I can't say that we should AfD it again because of new or different content, because all but the first two sentences were copyvio... if somebody wants to write a new article with better sources, I think that's the only way we're going to have an article about him. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The AFD was overturned at DRV... I'd suggest restoring the last non-copyvio version of the page and relisting for AFD.--Isotope23 17:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I did kind of mess that one up, didn't I? I missed that it had a history that included a noncopyvio version; and I missed that the deletion was overturned. To my credit, this article has had a long and eventful history... sorry, and I've restored the most recent non-copyvio version at James Andrews (physician). -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't sweat it... I once deleted an article about a former king of England as an A7 because someone vandalized it and I forgot to check the history, resulting in an OTRS ticket. That was rather embarrassing.--Isotope23 17:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I hate being wrong. But I guess it's unavoidable when I'm new, that sometimes I will be wrong. Of course, when I'm not new any more, I'm sure I will always be right. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
If you think that the ethical thing to do is to welcome intervention in the Tesla Coil article by people without a personal interest in the subject, you are welcome. I don't know what's right; I just feared having it turn into a grotesque circus with immense heat and no light. Surely it would take a great effort to deal with the strife while doing justice to a highly technical subject. Teratornis really ripped me a new nostril for asking whether it might be better to keep it within the community of that article; he radically mistook my motivation. I responded with the information he sought, but I don't think he went back to look. (Helpdesk, 5 July, I think; "more fact").
I read "Friends of Gays Should Not Be Allowed to Edit Articles" (if I remember the exact title). Priceless! Thank you so much! It turned my day around. I hope it won't be deleted. (My friends can presumably be exempted, as I'm "out" in my brand new user page.) You know, I'm starting to think that all my life, they just gave me the wrong English teachers.
I looked at Tesla Coil when you posted at the Help desk, but I'm afraid I didn't even understand what the disagreement was. 'Cause, you know, English teacher. If I were you, I'd post a message on the talk page of WikiProject Physics, where you can get some more opinions from people who... you know... know what a Tesla coil is. (I doubt that "Friends of Gays" will really be deleted... I think it was tagged by someone who is sarcasm-impaired, but it's an often-referenced essay that makes its point pretty clearly.) -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I posted on physics talk. Thanks. (I do wonder whether I'm being a jerk yet, but wondering can at least be a good sign.)
Have you looked at that article's talk page? It has already been through AfD, and consensus was to keep the article. -FisherQueen (Talk) 03:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes I have seen the talk page. I was simply quoting a statement you made; I didn't realize there were exceptions to what you said, owing to my limited experience here. The alleged "consensus" to which you allude, which voted to keep the article, was almost as much a fiasco as that which retained Tory Mason back in January. The difference was the way in which the representatives of the cabal of gay pornography editors influenced the vote in the Rhodes discussion. 72.76.78.94 11:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
So, if you like, recommend it for deletion. You don't have to be an administrator to do that; the instructions are on the AfD page. I could be wrong, but I think that the "cabal of gay pornography editors" is a new one for me, and I may need to add it to the list of cabals. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The fact remains, User:SneakyTodd removed the prod tag from Erik Rhodes (porn star) without explanation or making improvements. The prod tag clearly states: "You may remove this message if you improve the article, or if you otherwise object to deletion of the article for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page." SneakyTodd did neither, and that is what I'm reporting to you. What are you going to do about that? 71.127.230.7 13:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, when adding to a previous post, as you did above in (Talk) 12:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC), you're supposed to note it separately. You should know that. 71.127.230.7 13:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Generally speaking, it's not a particularly good idea to comment at another editor's talkpage and essentially demand that they take some sort of action about a situation... In regards to the issue about deprodding, I left a note at SneakyTodd's talkpage letting him know that it is a good idea to fill in the edit summary when de-prodding.--Isotope23 13:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't speaking clearly enough. I am not planning to do anything at all about it. If you believe that something should be done about it, you are perfectly capable of sending the article to AfD yourself. Some anonymous editor has been sending many articles about gay pornographic actors to speedy deletion lately; many of those articles are not good candidates for speedy deletion. If you are on a mission to rid Wikipedia of non-notable gay porn actors, I think that you should do the intellectually honest thing- create an account with a username, and send those articles to AfD, where each actor's notability can be considered on its own merits. Trying to get them through speedy deletion, trying to get someone else to refer them to AfD for you, using a variety of IPs instead of an account... all these indicate that you are trying to carry out your mission without taking personal responsibility for it, and I am not willing to help you with that. If you believe in what you're doing, then do it openly. If you think it's something that needs to be hidden, then don't do it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
First, who is Isotope23; does s/he speak for you on your page? Second, is it intellectually dishonest to put through an article for speedy deletion? What of the non-notable gay porn actors who are good candidates for speedy deletion? Will you in those cases change the speedy tag to a prod tag, as you did with the Erik Rhodes (porn star) article to allow User:SneakyTodd more time to add references? Your actions and the actions of those working with you enable the proliferation of mediocrity on Wikipedia. On the surface it appears you and others are circumventing the rules to bring about what you want. That is dishonest and sneaky (well, that figures, doesn't it?) Though I can see where you come up with your conspiracy theories, as you work hand in hand with the "cabal of gay porn (and gay porn bio) editors." 71.127.230.7 14:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Isotope23 knows he's welcome to answer questions and address issues that come up on my talk page. I'd do the same for him. I'm not aware that I've violated any policies, but if I have, it's all part of the record of my contributions for anyone to see. I don't care much about gay porn bios, to be honest with you, and never spent much time with them until this week, when I started seeing so many in the backlog for speedy deletion and had to deal with the wretched things. You are welcome to tag an article for deletion if you think it should be deleted. I'm not going to do it for you, though. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was in no way speaking for FisherQueen, I just have this page watchlisted (because it is a source of constant amusement for me) and noticed your post, which I responded to (and FisherQueen, or any other editor for that matter, is welcome to do the same on my talkpage). You may take my response as helpful or not as you see fit 71.127.230.7. The fact remains that de-prodding without comment warrants a friendly reminder, not a trout-slapping. Nobody is circumventing "rules" here; as FisherQueen said, you are more than welcome to register an account and start AfDing these articles yourself. We are not here to do your gruntwork for you.--Isotope23 14:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It's getting tight over there so I thought I'd bring it here. I have not asked either of you to do anything for me, though I did ask one of you what you would do about something I reported to you.
I'll repeat my earlier question since you did not answer it: What of the non-notable gay porn actors who are good candidates for speedy deletion? I trust speedy deletion is still an "intellectually honest" way to have an article deleted? 71.127.230.7 16:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's a link to the criteria for speedy deletion. An example of a gay porn actor who is a good candidate for speedy deletion would be a guy who posts naked pictures of himself on his own blog, but hasn't ever appeared in a significant role in a professional film. Someone who doesn't even claim to be notable. It's not for everyone who doesn't meet WP:BIO; AfD is for everyone who doesn't meet WP:BIO.-FisherQueen (Talk) 17:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You still haven't answered my question, which is no surprise. I'll repeat it: What of the non-notable gay porn actors who are good candidates for speedy deletion? Will you disrupt the speedy delete process with those articles as you did with the Erik Rhodes (porn star) article, i.e., allow editors more time to add references so the articles will be spared speedy delete? 71.127.230.7 17:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Declining to speedy delete an article as an admin isn't exactly disrupting the process. Speedy deletions should always be executed with care; if there is any doubt at all that the article truly makes no claim on notability, it shouldn't be speedy deleted. An admin can choose to replace the speedy with a PROD or an AFD tag, but they are under no compulsion to do so.--Isotope23 18:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It is a disruption of the process if an admin allows an editor more time to add references to an article so as to prevent it from getting speedily deleted. That was the case of FisherQueen allowing SneakyTodd more time to add references to Erik Rhodes (porn star). The request for speedy delete was made on the article as it stood, not at how it looks after it's brought up to snuff. I can see why FisherQueen would not answer my question directly. 71.127.230.7 18:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You appear to have a misunderstanding of our deletion process. If additional sources will verify that a subject meets our notability guidelines than providing additional time for those sources to be added is a good thing. Deletion is a last resort for articles that don't establish notability and speedy deletion is only for things that cannot establish notability. If adding more sources will demonstrate notability, then an article really isn't valid for speedy deletion in the first place. That is the process. We are building an encyclopedia here.--Isotope23 18:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have answered your question. Several times. Isotope23 answered it, too. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean I haven't answered. That is not what speedy deletion is for. If an article can be improved, if references can be added to it, then it is not a candidate for speedy deletion. The goal is not to delete articles. The goal is to keep as many articles as possible, if it is at all possible within our policies to keep them. If an editor can make an article better, so it doesn't have to be deleted, that is a good thing. The process is intended to make it easier to quickly delete those articles that cannot ever be made to meet the guidelines; it does not apply to any article which can be rewritten, resourced, and improved to meet the guidelines. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, look, Isotope! We both used the phrase good thing, in italics. Great minds think alike. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
True. By the way, no valid email address? How can you receive your weekly admin's cabal newsletter without an email address?--Isotope23 18:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Call it a philosophical quirk. I am very fond of Wikipedia's complete transparency; nothing happens that everyone can't see. Not enabling my email means that I'm not part of the cabal; everything I do on Wikipedia, I do on Wikipedia. I don't use the IRC channel, either. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, I've never done IRC either for that reason. I did enable email though... some of the emails I get are rather hilarious.--Isotope23 19:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
So by your admission you're saying that those non-notable gay porn bio articles that were speedily deleted were not salvageable to begin with? How can you know when any is? And why don't they establish notability in the first place? If the subject isn't notable, then it doesn't warrant an article. You aren't building an encyclopedia here, few if any porn articles are worthy of inclusion here; you're constructing a porn directory, through these mediocre articles. 71.127.230.7 20:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
And your reasoning might make sense, if speedy deletion were the only way we have of deleting articles. It isn't. It's just the shortcut we use on a few of the most obvious articles. You are still welcome to put as many porn actors as your heart desires up for deletion at AfD. In fact, I encourage you to do so. Just as I wouldn't complain that you weren't trying hard enough to build a house if you declined to build it with a spatula, don't complain that we're not trying hard enough to build an encyclopedia if we don't speedy delete every single article. It's important to choose the right tools for the job. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, you won't build a good encyclopedia by defending mediocre porn articles. Don't you get it?? -- you're enabling mediocrity here by allowing such articles to stand. I have not asked you to speedy delete every article, only the mediocre ones which not not establish the notability of the subject. By the way, I would ask you and The Isotope to familiarize yourselves with A7 under criteria for speedy deletion. 71.127.230.7 21:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Um. I am very familiar with the criteria for speedy deletion. I'm sort of notorious for my knowledge of that criteria, in fact. I'm not allowing any articles to stand... you are, by refusing to use the appropriate tags for those articles you think should be deleted. You aren't going to persuade me of... come to think of it, I'm not even sure what you're trying to persuade me to do any more. Whatever it is, if it doesn't require an admin, go do it yourself. By the way, please try not to delete other parts of my talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
"...that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If controversial, or if there has been a previous deletion discussion that resulted in the article being kept, the article should be listed at Articles for deletion instead." That's from A7, and it says the same thing I've been saying to you. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
And, elaborating further from criteria for speedy deletion: Articles that have obviously non-notable subjects are still not eligible for speedy deletion unless the article "does not assert the importance or significance of its subject". So if an article does not assert the importance or significance of its subject, it is eligible for speedy deletion. That is what I have been saying all along. 71.127.230.7 21:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's the first part of the sentence I quoted above. I know you understand that part. But you do have to read all the way to the end of the sentence. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
No, you were quoting from A7; I was quoting from further down the page. 71.127.230.7 21:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
1. Another Wikipedia editor Gregalton made a statement on the Historical Cost talk page.
2. I am a Wikipedia editor. I agee with Gregalton. I state that on the Historical Cost talk page.
3. I add the incontrovertable fact we agreed on in the article.
4. You delete that several times.
So, now I cannot agree with another editor on the talk page and then add the incontrovertable item?
I am not allowed to add content because you decide so?
I've only removed your addition to Accountancy once, although it has been removed by several other editors as well. I have looked at Historical cost, but just because one person agrees with you doesn't mean you have achieved consensus, and I don't see consensus on that talk page either. If you are right, it will be simple to explain yourself, provide a few sources, and integrate the statement into the article in a paragraph that provides context and explanation. By the way, putting a WP:3RR warning on my talk page when I have only reverted once is an act of vandalism, so you probably shouldn't do it again. How about this- instead of assuming that, because you are obviously right, you don't have to explain yourself or provide any sources, you pretend that your rightness is not so obvious to everyone else, and explain yourself in a way that other people can understand on the article talk page? -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, why did you delete my page on The Adrena-lines?! They are a brilliant up and coming band who may even be going on tour across Wales and parts of England this coming year. They've performed at the Clwb Ifor Bach! I don't see why they don't warrant an article? Please explain. Yours, Zippythebigfoot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zippythebigfoot (talk • contribs)
Well, I did wait to give you time to add the multiple reliable sources required by the notability criteria, and I only deleted the article after it became clear that the required sources didn't exist. If the band becomes more notable, a new article can be created some day. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
This is completely outrageous! I can't believe that purely because a band is not nationally recognised that it must be deleted from a website created for articles that would interest, intrigue and educate the public! Why must an informative page about a great band be deleted? Please justify this extreme and unnecessary deletion. Yours angrily (and distraught) Zippythebigfoot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zippythebigfoot (talk • contribs)
You just asked the same question again. The answer is still the same; our notability criteria require that multiple, nontrivial, independent sources be provided to verify the information in the article, and if such sources do not exist, then the article is deleted. I don't think I said that the band has to be nationally recognized; only that reliable, independent sources are available to verify the information in the article. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
That source confirms that once, the band gave a concert. But it doesn't confirm any of the information in the article. For that, you'd need articles about the band- you know, articles and reviews from newspapers, magazines, music journals, that sort of thing. All notable bands are written about by multiple different sources. That's how we tell the difference between a band that's so important that an international encyclopedia needs an article about it, and a band that's three high school students jamming in their own basement (and we get a lot of those articles submitted, which is why we have such clear guidelines to define notability. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. Although I don't agree with the decision, I can see why Adrena-lines can't be on Wikipedia. However, I am certain that soon a source will spring up, because they are such a great band that it's only a matter of time before they will become more notable. Thank you. Zippythebigfoot.
Thank you for the suggestion, I will not make these threats again, please advise what to do with people like that.
Thank you again
Lovetheirish2 04:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw someone adding a fact that you didn't agree belonged there; you just discuss it with them on the talk page, or leave a message on their talk page, exchange reliable sources, and come to an agreement. You're the one who added "Robert please have some dignity and love yourself" to the body of the article, and that's just wildly inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FisherQueen (talk • contribs)
Instead of threatening and insulting users for making good-faith edits, perhaps it would be more appropriate to educate them as to what is and is not considered appropriate subject matter for Wikipedia. Kurt Weber 23:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Did I threaten? After the article had been recreated three times- and its contents were patent nonsense of the silliest kind, and not even remotely good faith edits- I placed a standard level three article creation template on his talk page. The article, I repeat, was in no way an encyclopedia article; it was a series of nonsensical statements that no good faith editor would ever mistake for even an attempt at an encyclopedia article.-FisherQueen (Talk) 01:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I see you double-checked my contributions and removed the speedy deletion tag from Ransis because you felt it had sufficient context. So, is it a computing vocabulary word, a piece of software, or a company? I couldn't tell when I read the article, which starts out sounding like a dictionary definition and finishes off sounding like an advertisement. When I googled the term, I didn't find anything that would help clarify it, unless it would be this software company. Still, I believe you when you say that you understood it, and look forward to watching you develop this into an article on a notable thing. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I sent it to AFD. It is a neologism or a poorly written advert. Either way it isn't up to snuff and I don't believe it ever could be.--Isotope23 13:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I checked your user page and notice that you aren't currently able to view deleted articles, so I'll show you the article which User:Fm104 and his radio-show listeners have recreated three times already this evening. It follows:
The Open Mic on Dublin's Fm104 is a phone based radio talk show. It airs Sunday nights from 10pm to 1am
It a vey good show for monkeys, that like to eat oranges
Ruairi is a pillow case,, a very soft one,,,,mmmmmmm soft
Mike is off touring the world on a vampire hunting game, blood
Deirdreis one of our irregular calllers, that likes to eat melons
ruairi can sook my cock The FM104 studios, have since began their own communist country, as a communist country, it is legal practice that everyone must smoke in the work place, thus nobodies healthier than the person next to them.
Your next career move is the unemployment line
why are all the callers to this show so retarded like ruth?
ruairi is skinney and sexy!!!!
everybody loves ruairi
why does the open mic guy get paid to talk lots of shite?
take note of the fact that they are no longer talking about wikipedia on the show.
this whole idea kinda fucked up on u didnt it ruairi???
i like pie
LOL the producer is probably saying !its fucked up, dont mention the open mic page!' :)
That's the stuff that FAs start off as. ~ Riana ⁂ 05:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe it's possible that an FA could start out like that. In this case, though, it's gibberish related to a subject that is specifically non-notable. In addition, if this is the discourse quality of the radio show's callers, I don't think it would be very much fun to listen to. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm overwhelmed. You have intervened there before, and both are out of hand. Note the vandalism is primarily on the talk pages now (an improvement at least).--Gregalton 13:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Whatever is going on there, I don't think I can be much help, since I don't speak accountant. You might try AN/I and see if someone else understands the disagreement.-FisherQueen (Talk) 15:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you tagged Aloysius Schwartz for PROD. It looked like a clear-cut WP:CSD A7 to me until I checked "what links hear". It seems he won a notable international award, the Ramon Magsaysay Award. I have added that info to the article and removed the PROD. Cheers Dsmdgold 14:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
That was clever of you. Thanks for noticing. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I assume you mean this essay. It is very careful to remind us that we must remain civil; using "horseshit" as the only reason for deletion is not only not civil, it's also not one of the criteria for speedy deletion. I can't even tell what you think is the problem with the article on Cryomassage. Is it that it lacked sources? That it is about a practice that hasn't been proven to have medical benefits? Your tag is not a criteria for speedy deletion, it is incivil, and it doesn't even make it clear why the article should be deleted. Think how much more effective it would be to use a tag which is a clear, valid, polite argument for deletion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I asked a member of the band, Sean about the fact that I'd created a page for his band but I needed proof of things I said in the article. He asked whether or not their myspace page would do, so I wondered whether this link is proof enough? :- http://www.myspace.com/theadrenalines
That is a MySpace page. Anyone can have a MySpace page, and there's no one checking them for accuracy. I could put up a MySpace page right now that says that I won a Pulitzer Prize and am Miss America. It's not an independent source. An independent source would be the articles about the band in music magazines, reviews in newspapers, that sort of thing. Secondarily, you have a conflict of interest- a member of the band should not be writing an article about the band. If the band truly is notable, the members don't have to write the article, because the band's many fans will work together to write the article using the available sources. Have you read the notability guidelines for bands? Does this band meet any of the criteria? Which ones? And what sources that don't come directly from the band verify that? -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
What you said about that you could say that you are Miss America on MySpace, well if you combine that with the first link I sent doesn't that prove it? Also, why do I have to find so much evidence? It's obvious that the band exists and why would I lie and why would they lie on their MySpace page? Do you have a grudge against Cardiff-based rock bands?
Have you read the notability guidelines for bands? Does this band meet any of the criteria? Which ones? And what sources that don't come directly from the band verify that?-FisherQueen (Talk) 16:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I had started reading the notability guidelines after your original proposition of the page's deletion but I dozed off because it is such a load of codswallop. However, reading it a second time i would like to point out that the band do fit two of the guidelines and they are:-
Has won or placed in a major music competition. (they reached the final of a Battle of the Bands competition from the Urdd)
Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. (song played on BBC Radio Cymru)
What ridiculous excuse do you have now? A farfetched comment that the band must all be right-handed and have bright green hair?
Last I checked "Battle of the Bands" didn't qualifiy as a major music competition... Can you provide a source for the claim their song was played on BBC Cymru? Was it played a few times or actually in their normal rotation?
What is your problem? Why does it matter whether it was blayed a billion times on Radio Cymru? And it was a big competition because it was arranged by the Urdd and therefore was a nationwide competition.
I don't have a problem... well at least not one that is relevant here. Look, we have a set of guidelines for musical acts being included here. If you have a reliable source that demonstrates their song was in rotation on BBC Cymru, great. That will establish notability. Urdd Battle of the Bands I wouldn't consider to be a major musical competition and I suspect that most editors reviewing this would not consider it such either, so your best bet for demonstrating notability here is to produce a reliable source for the claim that their music was in rotation on a national radio station. If you can't do that, my suggestion is to head out, get a pint, relax, and wait a bit until The Adrena-lines get bigger and better known. If they don't meet the Wikipedia guidelines now, that doesn't mean they never will.--Isotope23 17:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Calm down. This, of course, is one of the reasons we discourage people from writing about themselves; it's hard to avoid emotion when you're writing about yourself. Local Battle of the Bands competitions are not a qualifier for notability. "Placed in rotation" means that the song is regularly played, not just played once, and that's why it matters. And yes, we really would need a reliable source to confirm it. Relax. If your band is really heading for inevitable stardom, you don't need to worry about it, because as it becomes more well known and reaches the level of notability, someone else will write an article about the band based on the many magazine articles that will be written. You don't need to do a thing but concentrate on your musical career, and let somebody else worry about Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
But that's the point you see, I'm not a member of the band, I'm just a huge fan. And if I drank a pint then I would be breaking the law, and you must have knew that because you thought I was a member of the band and they are also underaged. Also, don't worry, I will find a source and it will be very, very soon. I'm determined.
Hmm, I don't remember telling you what to get a pint of. At least where I live they sell Milk by the pint. Regardless, good luck finding those sources.--Isotope23 17:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
When you say "go and buy a pint" people assume that you're talking about lager. And, I'm lactose intolerant and therefore can't drink milk. Hmm. Sha-boing.
You came back two hours later to add "sha-boing?" I assume that means your research didn't turn up the multiple nontrivial independent sources you would need to verify notability for this band. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry. I'll find that source. And adding sha-boing was just a joke. I was bored. Also, I won't need to research that hard because it will just turn up. I know.
Could you have a look at this set of edits for me? I know blatant vandalism, I can't tell if this is the same thing or if it's just me over-reacting. Also, what happens if someone puts this - {{vandal|WLU}} - on my user page? User:The Jayhawker seems to think it's appropos. WLU 16:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I assume that you're referring to the contributions at Taoist sexual practices; I agree that he's pushing a point of view and that the standard set of {{uw-npov1}} templates would apply. He seeems to have stopped for now. Also, The Jayhawker seems to believe that you're adding a picture of yourself or one of your friends to Bodybuilding, and I agree with him that in general, that's not a good thing to do. Typically, with established editors, we talk to them with our own words instead of using templates, though. I see that you're blocked for a bit anyway; enjoy your vacation. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for showing me that tag- {{vandal|FisherQueen}}. That's danged handy. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I can't find instructions anywhere. How do you nominate an article for deletion through AfD when it's already been discussed once? Dread Central- I'm doing it wrong, and I can't work out the right code. Where are the obvious instructions that I'm missing? -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, universe, I think I got it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's not that obvious, but in tiny print on WP:AFD, it says "(If the article has been nominated for deletion before, use {{subst:afdx}} instead of {{subst:afd1}}. See Template Talk:afdx. This does not include articles that have only had the {{prod}} tag removed.)" Let me know if you want/need more help! -- Merope 17:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Not that there's anything wrong with using afdx but it's no longer needed. {{Afd}} now supports multiple nominations. Just type {{subst:afd|Dread Central (2nd nomination)}}.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi.. Actually I hadn't noticed that there was already a bit of activity on that article in the last few days until I saw your talk page just now.
But just regarding the last edits, and the reason I went with a NPOV warning to the user, was the use of the word Skanger, (hyperlinked for the benefit of those not familiar with Irish slang :O)), which I think doesn't quite fit in with NPOV. :O) I addded a comment to the FM 104 talk page and to the users's talk page. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I am on the other side of the world and don't know what a Skanger is, but I know what Shite is, so I could tell something fishy was going on there. Still, gotta assume good faith, right? -FisherQueen (Talk) 00:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Still, gotta assume good faith, right? I'm trying.... I really am. :O) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 02:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, sometimes, there really isn't good faith, unless you mean the good faith of a teenager who is so used to MySpace that he really doesn't understand that he can't just add anything. Assume good faith while smacking them down hard, that's my motto. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like an explanation as to the copyright violation that caused the "Mccoy corporation" to be deleted? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ACY.Man (talk • contribs)
(edit conflict) Just Mccoy corporation? You posted copyrighted material in three articles, all from the same web site. This article was copied from this web page link removed because it was added to blacklist. Wikipedia doesn't use copyrighted material. For more details, see the messages on your talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like an explanation as to the copyright violation that caused the "Duvernay Oil" to be deleted? Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ACY.Man (talk • contribs)
See my response above. Wikipedia does not use material copied from other web sites. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
By the way, what is your deal with that web site? I see you're trying to add links to it to assorted places around Wikipedia, too. When you present the appearance of just being here to promote one web site, it sort of makes you look like a spammer. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I say you had placed a message on User talk:Beaconofsanity. It seems that this user is creating articles about various staff members at "Silverleaf Medical Products, Incorporated (SMP)". Neither the company nor any of the staff seem notable. I'm not sure how to escalate this - what's the best way forward? pablo :: ... hablo ... 22:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Tag the articles with prod or db tags, escalating warnings for the user, and if necessary, request a block. I'll help. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
That was the fast answer, so I could go look at them. The long answer- keep tagging them like you're doing. The standard templates are numbered- {{uw-creation1}}, {{uw-creation2}}, {{uw-creation3}}, {{uw-creation4}}, each one more serious. If the user gets up to level four and still won't stop, you go to the administrators' noticeboard for vandalism, and request a block. Works every time. Well, almost every time. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok thanks - one of them might even be notable (but unsourced!) pablo :: ... hablo ... 22:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, that user's getting a little overexcited. If he'd stop and read the template messages, he'd see how to use the {{hangon}} tag to argue notability, and he'd have a chance to read the notability guidelines. Maybe that's what he's doing right now. But spamming Wiki with all of your colleagues bios is deeply COI, though probably in good faith.-FisherQueen (Talk) 22:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
this is not an effort to scam anybody. yes i am a new user of wikipedia. the mandate for the entries has come from people who wanted to use the device on their relatives...but were rejected by the hospital industry, including administrators and insurance companies...just ask micheal moore. the company is a research company and is not a revenue generating company. the cmb was developed as a means to simply treat people who were facing amputations...it is effective. people have had their limbs saved and want to use it. they face rejection from insurance companies, doctors and hospitals. they can not profit so it is not used. the request to get this in the public domain came from people frustrated that they can not use the device. the principals involved are real and legitimate. the business of medicine is their stumbling block.
today a person whose is to lose their leg wanted to use the dressing, but the hospital would not allow it. last week a father called because his daughter was undergoing spinal surgery and wanted to use the device to reduce the risks of the surgery. the doctor/hospital would not use it. these people are frustrated/mad. they wanted something posted on the internet to "educate" the administrators and business people, and suggested wikipedia. i was asked to get something out on the internet to allow people to research, in further depth, if they wanted. the material is given to the individuals for free. sometimes good intentions create catastrophic problems. my intent was to have "educate" someone who would say "ok, we will let you give" a person (FREE) something that maybe, maybe could save their limb. nothing more/nothing less. the thinking was to use the site to inform/educate/intrigue those who wished to explore further, to diminish the fears/reasons of whomever rejected a legitimate treatment,albeit investigational. to preserve a leg and/or to prevent their child from having a complication from very serious surgery...what's wrong with that? to give those who blindly reject something, an opportunity to learn and grow? there is no greed involved with this "terrible injustice". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaconofsanity (talk • contribs)
Our conflict of interest guidelines suggest that you not write about people with whom you are closely connected, since it's hard to rely on sources and to remain neutral about them. Regardless of how good these doctors are, if they have not been the subject of significant writing by multiple sources independent of the hospital, they do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria at this time. If they do meet those criteria, you can bring your reliable sources to deletion review and request that the articles be undeleted.-FisherQueen (Talk) 23:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thanks...i am frustrated, because i want others to know about something so good. it has helped my dearest friends and my kids. i want to scream when it is apparent that the business machinery of medicine stops progress. the people posted are not all doctors...they are just a group of good people doing the right things...which is rare in this world. i just hope that nothing that i have done in my zealous attempt to reach the world will be used to hurt these people and the good they have done. any suggestions are welcomed. thanks so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaconofsanity (talk • contribs)
There are lots of places where you could create a web site to honor these people whom you respect so much. If they don't fit WP:BIO, it's just possible that Wikipedia is not that place; as an encyclopedia, we have pretty specific standards. That's in no way intended to disparage those people. And, no, I can't see any way that your act of enthusiasm for them could harm them at all. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
fisher queen-
i work for nettwerk management and one of the artists we represent is Tyler James... an nashville based artist here in the U.S. We were in the process of updating information about Tyler when we receieved an email from you stating he did not meet the criteria. You may have only read the few words we had already posted and not have had the chance to research and realize that Tyler is indeed a very well established artist. heres a few examples:
- song featured in Disney's latest major motion picture "Bridge to Terebithia" as well as the sountrack in stores world wide
- song featured in ABC's new hit show "Brothers and Sisters"
- glowing reviews in magazines distributed world wide such as Paste Magazine, Relevant Magazine, CCM Magazine, etc..
- his tours draw large crowds in almost all major market in the U.S.
the other tyler james posted here in wikipedia was an artist dropped from his label two years ago before his record was even released. if you google search "tyler james".. all of our sites pop up on top.
thanks for you time and we look forward to hearing from you.
michael—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofgeert (talk • contribs)
As I said in the message on your talk page, it isn't appropriate to simply add information about this artist to the top of the article on Tyler James. If this artist really is notable, it would be more appropriate to create a new article about him. However, our conflict of interest guidelines say that, as his agent, it isn't appropriate for you to create the article. If he is truly as well known as you say, it is only a matter of time before one of his many fans creates an article. The other Tyler James appears to have recorded several songs which charted in England, so there's no question that he is notable. -FisherQueen (Talk) 00:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Now that is mighty odd, eh?--Isotope23 01:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
His website contact page lists a Nettwerk management email address though. My guess is that this is a legit claim.--Isotope23 02:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
My guess is that they represent him, but they didn't find him notable enough to list on their web page. What do I know, though? Maybe the web page is out of date. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
hey folks... from what i've gathered, i should have done a little more research on wikipedia before posting. sorry for the misunderstanding. if another article is created it will fit the wikipedia rules. if i could say one thing... even normally passive people are immediately on the defensive when its assumed that their career and successes aren't "notable"... especially when the artist is indeed well established. nettwerk has been representing tyler for a couple years now... my only guess is that the artist list is out dated.
Could you please tell me why you have nominated this page for deletion? I have spent a lot to time adding these pages as there were no articles on what is the biggest greyhound race in the world? It is relevant information to any greyhound racing fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unclepedrosviolin (talk • contribs)
There's nothing in the article that indicates that this is the biggest greyhound race in the world. I don't think there's a need for a separate article for each year the race is run. And I started by placing a proposed deletion tag, which would have given you almost a full week to show how this race meets the notability criteria. I put a tag on your talk page telling you that tag was for that purpose, and that if you removed it, the article could be sent immediately to Articles for Deletion. You removed it, so I assumed that you wanted the article to be sent immediately to Articles for Deletion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
It is the Greyhound Derby, obviously there is a need to have information on the result from every year. Just because you live in the USA does not mean this event is huge in both the UK and Ireland. Do you think it wouldn’t be relevant to have the result of say the Formula One Championship every year? I didn’t mean to remove the article, I copied and pasted the original article and I must have accidentally gone over your comment. It was not deliberate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unclepedrosviolin (talk • contribs)
To sign your comments, please use four tildes (~~~~). It isn't at all obvious to me that we need separate articles full of statistics but no article explaining what this event is and why it is important. Here's the article on Formula One- notice how clearly it explains the event's importance, and how many sources there are. Could you write an article like that about the Greyhound Derby, instead of just charts of statistics that don't have any context? From what you say, it sounds like we could use that article. Here's a separate article on the 2006 Formula One season. Notice that, while it contains statistics, it also has writing which puts those statistics in context. There doesn't seem to be a separate article about the championship race; that information is in the article about hte season as a whole. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
But I only nominated the article for deletion because there's nothing in it that explains what the event is or why it is notable. It sounds like you could change the article to show that, so why not do so, and then explain your reasons on the deletion discussion, where the decision will be made, instead of on my talk page, where no one will read them? Now that I've nominated it, I'm going to let it stand, and if I'm wrong, others will say so on the deletion discussion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
You are obviously not a sporty person are you, otherwise you would know what the Greyhound Derby is. People like you are not going to look at the page in the first place, whereas people that do will understand them. It’s not rocket science! Please yourself anyway. I have dedicated a lot of my time into improving the site, but then people like you come along and randomly nominate things for deletion. Sounds like you have got too much spare time on your hands. Why don’t you write something useful for the site, instead of wasting your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unclepedrosviolin (talk • contribs)
To sign your comments, please use four tildes (~~~~). Normally, people only start insulting me when they know they're in the wrong, but you might well be able to add sources to show that the English Greyhound Derby is notable- you haven't put those sources in yet, but I believe you that they exist. Anyway, there's no reason to insult me if you're right; just participate in the deletion discussion and briefly and clearly explain why you're right. Insulting new-page patrollers is for teenaged vandals, not for people who actually have something interesting to write about. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I do feel like I'm wasting time signing your comments for you. Did you not understand what I meant about signing your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~)? -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you see how I have signed each comment I make with my username and the time the comment was made? You aren't doing that. The way you do that is, after each comment you make, you type four tildes, which is a code that inserts your username and the time of your comment. A tilde looks like this ~. Or, if you prefer, you can click on "Sign your username," which is right below the text box, just under the bar where you add your edit summary and the "Save page" button.-FisherQueen (Talk) 14:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, on my talk page you didn't mention organizations which you did now. I will read the criteria for organizations now. Thanks. Apk56 14:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
If I understand this correctly, I must add secondary sources about the organization? If so, do I add them as references? Apk56 15:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. Two or three strong, reliable sources showing the organization's importance would work nicely. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, can you check the page now and see. Thanks. Apk56 15:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
That looks much better. It's close enough to the borderline that I'd like to leave it tagged, so that a second admin will look at it and confirm notability. If you like, you can add a note on the talk page explaining that you've added sources that need to be checked out. It may be looked at immediately or in several hours; it always depends on how many people are working on the speedy-deletion queue this afternoon. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have done that now. Thanks. Apk56 16:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
why did you delete Pubic Duck? It has sources. Please answer ASAP. Tim Simmons The Fifth
The only source was a poem which, as far as my research could determine, does not exist. The article itself was implausible. Please feel free to take your reliable sources to show notability to deletion review, where if you can prove that it meets the criteria, it can be undeleted. Don't bother, though, if you don't have at least two or three reliable sources that can be verified by other users. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I have read the requirements or criterion, but I find them too broad and therefore, doesn't constitute to anything. Unless, you are willing to clarify or point out to me. Is it because he wasn't "considered worthy" or had no significant impact on his fellow Marines who were, obviously, enraged at his death and triggered the Haditha Massacre? I didn't put LCPL Terrazas because he was KIA-you believed that it was the reason-it was not.
First, the media is biased and secondly, I'm in the process of collecting additional information. I mean if his death had such an impact on the enraged Marines that led to the Haditha Massacre, then why would he be considered someone of no significant importance? LCPL Terrazas was published in many articles and mentioned that he was one of the most popular Marines.
When I removed that little "block", I expected to receive a reply objecting to this article and letting me know that it was questioned in the past. Based on what? It wasn't even 30 minutes after I posted it. Had his last name ended with a "-berg", "-son" or "stein" then it's entirely acceptable. This will not be tolerated.
I believe that he deserves recognization for his bravery and duties to his beloved country and be given same respect as any other fallen soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TXLonghorn (talk • contribs)
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Had his last name ended with a "-berg", "-son" or "stein" then it's entirely acceptable. This will not be tolerated.
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Was that in any way necessary? It doesn't do anything to help your case...
The bottom line is that the person, while brave and well regarded by his fellow soldiers, simply does not appear to meet our guidelines for a Wikipedia biographical article. Wikipedia simlpy is not a memorial site to honor the fallen or give them recognition as others have pointed out on your talkpage. Sorry if you disagree, but that simply is the way it works here.--Isotope23 20:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The article is not deleted because he "wasn't considered worthy" or because he "had no significant impact on his fellow Marines." It is deleted because as far as I can tell, he has not been the primary subject of multiple, independent, nontrivial sources, as required by the notability criteria, and because the community has already discussed him and decided that Wikipedia does not need an article about him- this is the discussion. Of course, if he is the primary subject of multiple sources- not just mentioned in an article about the Haditha Massacre, but the subject of an article that's about him- then you can appeal the community's decision at deletion review. Your claim that non-notable biographies are kept if they are of Jewish people is without evidence, is absurd to anyone familiar with Wikipedia's process of community consensus, and is extremely offensive. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for the repetition and intended to remove a few sentences. Apparently, I didn't proofread it before posting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TXLonghorn (talk • contribs)
That's 6 dactyls 4u. A pleasure and a delight to make your acquaintance.--Robcuny 02:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I liked your article on New Law Tenements. It's always a lovely break from smacking down vandals to see a new user who is knowledgeable and adds something interesting to Wikipedia that wasn't here before. I hope you stick around. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your encouragement. I hope to do my best. Stumbling on your user page was more than worth the puzzling first wander around here.--Robcuny 04:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad it was helpful; I have it arranged like that mostly for my own reference, so I'm glad to hear that it's helpful for a n00b as well. I like n00bs. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, no other admin has done anything about this page even though i posted that i've added sources. I can't see the reason why this page is still up for 'speedy deletion' as it, as i see, qualifies to the criterions required for an organization. What do you think? Thanks. Apk56 11:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Huh, look at that. Either no one has gone through the queue all day, or all the people who have looked at this article have left it for someone else because it's a tough call. I'm going to make a judgement call myself, then, and say that it has enough sources not to be a speedy deletion candidate, and if anyone wants it deleted, they'll have to do it the hard way. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Fisher Queen ... completely understand on adding articles about myself.... just diving into Wikipedia for the first time and learning what it's all about.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdicaro (talk • contribs)
No problem whatsoever. Most new users make a few mistakes- Wikipedia policy can be excitingly labyrinthine- but if you stick around, you'll find a million useful things to do. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Is this a speedy candidate? - it's a redirect to the afd article. WLU 11:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, someone deleted one of my prods when I was blocked, [2] and my revert puts it past the prod date [3]. Should I re-prod? Note last name, I'm guessing it's the recently AFD-ed. WLU 12:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
1.Yes, redirects to nowhere are speedy candidates. I'll get it now. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Reprodding is never a good idea; if somebody removed the prod, even if it's for a crappy reason, you should send it to AfD. Especially since, as you point out, it's now past the date. Welcome back, by the way.-FisherQueen (Talk) 12:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I got the job I was preparing for. I should have thought of AFD myself, I've used prod far less than AFD. Your talk page kept me very amused during The Dark Time of No Editing, here's a tiny barnstar for entertaining me. [* barnstar of blocked entertainment]
Also, I'm looking for a reference or policy that states prose summaries are better than long quotations. WP:QUOTE isn't helpful at all. I'm SOOOO sure I read it somewhere, but I can't seem to find it in WP:RS, OR, 5P, POV, V or MOS. Any help there? Has there been a change in policy? WLU 20:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I love my tiny barnstar. WP:QUOTE does have a section that says "...editors should avoid long quotations if they can keep them short. Long quotations not only add to the length of many articles that are already too long, but they also crowd the actual article and remove attention from other information," which is sort of what you're going for, but that article also says that it's not active policy. I'll leave the question up, though, in case any of my many fans knows a real answer, since I hadn't looked for such a guideline before. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
To: permissions-en@wikimedia.org
From: Denis Dufour <d-dufour(at)wanadoo(dot)fr>
Subject: Permission
Hello,
Sorry, I'm French and I my English is not really fluent...
My name is Denis Dufour, composer, teacher and reaserch worker.
I studied (1974) composition at GRM and the Paris Conservatory with Pierre Schaeffer (the french creator of this genre).
I am the only an genuine author of contents of this text I wrote originally in French, then translated in English, Italian an Japanese.
I give to Wikipedia my permission from the copyright holder to release the content on the Acousmatic Art freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL)
Can you restaure this page, please?
Thank You. Sincerely,
Denis Dufour (Acousmadef)
Paris, France
Message from Whpq 21:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Acousmatic art. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites (http://www.myspace.com/acousmaticart in this case) or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
If you believe that the article is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:
If you have permission from the author leave a message explaining the details on the article Talk page and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions.
[...]
I see that you've already sent this to Wikipedia's permissions email; they'll take care of it, I'm sure. Be aware that, in addition to the copyright issue, you may need to alter the article to make it clear that the subject meets the notability criteria, and you'll certainly need to provide independent sources that verify that notability. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you have marked this topic worthy of deletion, I would argue that if the Orca Interactive Forum Script is on wikipedia, then so should this.
Alternatively I suggest merging the Orca topic with Dolphin into an article named Boonex. Thanks Prcjac 16:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't really address the problem with the article, which I mentioned both on the prod tag (which you removed) and in the AfD discussion. We've decided, as a community, that there isn't a need for individual articles about most songs, and unless it's a song that has a lot of independent coverage, information about one song belongs on the article about the album. Of course, you would have had more time to work on the article with the five days the proposed deletion tag gives you, but I know you saw the message on your talk page explaining that removing that tag might mean that the article would be deleted immediately or immediately go on to discussion at AfD. Since you went ahead and removed the tag, I assumed that you wanted me to list it for discussion at AfD right away, so I did. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm new in this discussion thing, so i really deleted that without read properly. This song will be hitting soon all media in Portugal, so, I think is proper to keep the article as it is by now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mddms 88 (talk • contribs)
I guess I don't understand your reasoning, which doesn't seem to really address the guideline I tried to tell you about. It's okay, though, because the community at Articles for Deletion will all look at the sources and make a decision together. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not create nonsensical articles. KornFLACES 20:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing the wisdom of your experience. You're right, creating nonsensical articles is a bad thing. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen, I am Cheewon [you should know me because of all those comments you left behind. Absolutely needless to say, you were incoherent and exceedingly irritating.] and I did not come here to leave a nice comment. It is my belief that you are an uptight and insolent sort of person. I am thoroughly tired of your tedious messages so as to speak. I do believe that your articles have NOT done Wikipedia an absolute MILIGRAM of good, and I find the article about fishing especially piquing my annoyance. I am honestly intrigued at what kind of a person you ARE. I am TIRED of you sending disparaging comments to me. Read this and WEEP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheewon (talk • contribs)
Odd. There are messages from three different users and a bot on your talk page, asking you to stop creating nonsense articles, but I'm the only one you decided to leave a message for. I feel sort of special. Moreover, of the two messages I've left you, one was today and one was in December of 2006. Two messages in six months is hardly a lot. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of American Liberty Radio. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Justice1776 22:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Deletion review
If you want a deletion review, you need to actually file the report on the deletion review page, which you linked to, and not just your talk page. Remember that you'll need several reliable sources independent of the web site itself, in order to show that it meets the notability criteria. The reasons you gave on your talk page- that it has been here for a while and that other news agencies have articles- are specifically not valid arguments for undeletion- you'll have to actually show why this web site is so important that Wikipedia needs an article about it. By the way, is this the same content that was deleted from your userpage for advertising? -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait a minute, I just checked the logs, and I'm not even either of the two admins that closed the deletion on this article and your recreation of it. I just left you a message when you recreated the article after the community decided to delete it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Besides being copied directly from another web page, the article was also put up for deletion because of our policy that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and such a long list of statistics would not be useful for the audience of a general encyclopedia. Here's the discussion that resulted in the deletion of this article. Your response- repeatedly vandalizing my userpage for carrying out the decision of that discussion- is not a healthy way of dealing with content disputes. Content disputes happen frequently on Wikipedia, and if you can't participate in the community without petty vandalism, you're going to find it difficult to participate at all here. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with whoever wrote this. FisherQueen keeps deleting everything. Who does she think she is??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheewon (talk • contribs)
Yep I agree as well. He/she seems to delete useful information just for the sake of it. Very frustrating when you have put so much time and effort in to creating the page in the first place. Not really an ideal way to encourage new users either, alienating them before they even get the chance to contribute further. Unclepedrosviolin 10:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Unclepedrosviolin, I have a challenge for you. At the top of this talk page are listed the most recent five new articles on Wikipedia. Go look at each of them, determine which ones are junk nonsense and which ones are going to develop into useful articles, determine whether they need speedy deletion, proposed deletion, referral to Articles for Deletion, a maintenance template, or nothing at all, and take the appropriate action. Do this for ten articles without making any errors. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't really have the time or the enthusiasm (you’re pretty much responsible for the latter). Then again I'm not an administrator, so shouldn’t you be doing it? If you don’t know yourself, maybe you should spend some time to find out rather than just going straight for the deletion option. Just a thought! Unclepedrosviolin 13:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
No, that's not specifically an administrator's job; most of the new page patrollers are not admins. If you had done it, you might have understood some of the difficulties that you don't understand now- like how hard it is to determine whether an article is nonsense or not when, like the ones you recently created and are now so angry about, the article has so little context that you can't even tell what it's about or what its purpose is. In your case, I went with a tag that would give a week for cleaning it up and alerted you to the problems. Just like you're saying I should, I made sure you had some time to develop the article, and I even had a more personal conversation with you to try to work it out, which a lot of patrollers wouldn't bother with. But look- you're still angry at me, despite the fact that I did everything I could to help you improve the articles, and even though they have not, in fact, been deleted, so my efforts were successful. If you'd done new pages patrol, even for ten minutes, you'd have seen how many articles are created every day that are sheer nonsense, self-promotion, advertising, how important the job is, and how quickly Wikipedia would become just a mountain of useless nonsense without our efforts, which are typically rewarded, not with thanks, but with people bitching at us for doing it. Usually people who wouldn't even consider helping out with the job themselves. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
i have done research on miss. bradach and have found several article on her. could we please verify the information and repost? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charpoole (talk • contribs)
I didn't see anything in the article you created that was enough evidence of notability to overturn the deletion, but I've been wrong before. Rather than recreating the article, I suggest that you take the new sources to Deletion Review and request undeletion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you deleted my article titled "IMC Group" citing the reason as "Copyright Infringment". I'd like to ask you exactly what copyrights I was infringing considering that I happen to work for the company.
As part of the IMC Group Corporate Communications team, I was asked to put that article up, and having it deleted for no fathomable reason has irked me to no end. If there are any copyrights I have broken, please do tell me what those are so that I can correct them and put that article back up. Moreover, if the reason you are about to give me is that the information has been taken from another website, well, my department created that website ([4]).
Do let me know, and if possible could you please put that article back up so that I can continue working on it? It is far from complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richaahuja (talk • contribs)
Yes, I deleted the article because another user correctly tagged it as being copied from another web site. That was one of several problems with the article. As I'm sure you know, just because you work for the company doesn't mean that you have a legal right to license the contents of its web site into the GFDL, nor was there any evidence that you or the company had done so. In addition to that, the article lacked the multiple independent sources that would show that the company meets the Wikipedia notability criteria. And even if both of those problems were solved, as an employee of the company you have a conflict of interest which means that, by Wikipedia's guidelines, it isn't appropriate for you to create an article on this subject at all. If the company truly is notable, then someone who doesn't work for the company will write an orginal, sourced article about it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
So what you're saying is that if someone outside of the company writes an article about my company there is a higher chance of it not being deleted? Also, I'd like to know, how does one quote sources in the proper manner while editing or creating an article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richaahuja (talk • contribs)
Hi, I saw you deleted a page I wrote on Max Smith-Creasey. I have not come here to complain but to ask for help. You see I have been on Google and searched "Max Smith-Creasey" and it has come up with loads of website that contain information about him. If you search this you will also find his retail website. I want to expand the business part of wikipedia starting with the child business people first - thats why I am writing an article about this person as I know there was an article about him before but it has gone. This person is like Tom Thurlow so how this person was deleted and Tom Thurlow wasn't? Please help me write a good article about this person - or if I give you information (from his website) maybe you could write it? I just really need help on how to write it so it won't get deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertBates1968 (talk • contribs)
I did search google for Max Smith-Creasey. I found his retail website, his amazon.com wishlist, but no independent sources that have written about him. I can't write an article about him, because it's not possible to write an article for Wikipedia without independent sources from which to get the information. After Smith-Creasey has attracted the attention of business journals, newspapers, and other reliable sources, then it may be time to create a Wikipedia article about him, but for right now, I cannot find any evidence that he meets the notability guideline. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Note: This RobertBates1968 account could well be a sock for User:Max Entrepreneur, who was indef blocked for repeated creation of inappropriate articles including the one being complained about here, and/or User:Max Smith-Creasey who appears to be more obviously the same person as Max E. --Finngalltalk 17:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is extremely likely that this account is either Smith-Creasey himself, or a personal friend of his. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I do know him and am good friends with him. I know he is interested in business and he told me to look on Wikipedia for him, and I, seeing he wasn't there, made a page for him. Although this page has been deleted I will pass the message on to him that to appear on wikipedia he needs to meet these requirments. I will try to get him not to write any other articles that fall into the catogory of speedy deletion. I am not Smith-Creasey, so therefore cannot promise he will stop. Thank you for your help though - I will tell him. I hope soon he can add himself to Wikipedia, and I hope I can add myself too, I'm a member of a local band...but we hope to make it big! —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertBates1968 (talk • contribs)
He will never be able to add himself to Wikipedia, because of our conflict of interest guidelines, but when he has made it big, lots of his admirers will want to create an article about him based on what they've read in the papers. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen, you feel "kind of special" because I chose to leave a comment to you only? You are exceedingly wrong. You should not delete articles and THEN leave one of your idiotic comments. I have a mind to take legal action, no matter WHAT the rules of Wikipedia are. You may be the least special person I know, for that matter. You are a blot on the book of wikipedia, so face it, you goody-goody. I only chose to leave my collective thoughts because YOU were the single most annoying pest to "inspire" my irritability. Just HOW do you find my articles? People like you stop the revolutionizing of the world. :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheewon (talk • contribs)
Are you also a Revolutionary Girl Utena fan? Or did you quote it accidentally? By the way, continuing to make personal attacks and legal threats would be a very good way to find yourself indefinitely blocked. You are welcome to participate in creating the encyclopedia, as long as you do so within the guidelines. As you read the help files and policies, you'll even learn how we find your articles. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry; I hadn't noticed that this was the second time you've threatened to take legal action against Wikipedia. There's no rule against taking legal action, but there is a rule that says that you shouldn't edit on Wikipedia until the legal situation is taken care of, so I'll go ahead and block you until after the court date, and you can have your attorney contact Wikipedia through more formal means. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, FQ! Is there a process for semi-protecting articles? Specifically, List of male performers in gay porn films gets vandalised by IPs at least once a day. Can it be protected so IPs can't edit it? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 12:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
You could put up a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I do technically have the button, but after reading the criteria for protection, I'd rather someone with more experience in the area than I have confirm that protection is the appropriate response. I'll also add it to my watchlist and help with reverting. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
See - I knew you'd know the answer! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Now, ask me a hard one... -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Oz sees Willow wearing what outfit in the Haloween ep - arguably the first time the two see each other? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Pfft. Easy. But it's not the first time they see each other -- Willow doesn't see him at all, and Oz previously saw Willow at the Bronze during the cultural exchange dance. -- Merope 15:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict but this is what I typed and I demand credit) Well, in the Halloween episode, Oz sees Willow in the sexy-tramp costume she was wearing underneath her ghost costume. It isn't the first time he sees her, though- he first sees her in Inca Mummy Girl, wearing her Eskimo costume at the cultural exchange dance. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
His first word to her is "Canape." I love me some Oz/Willow -- though not as much as I love Tara/Willow. But we should probably get back to work. I have some spammers to smack down. -- Merope 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Although I am Joss Whedon's bitch, I will never, ever forgive him for what he did to Tara. But, tragically, I have to buy groceries, feed the cat, and other such tedious chores in the meatworld. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Nah - didn't think I could stump you with that, since it's actually spelled out in the ep's article. But doesn't he say something when he sees her from the van? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The same thing he says at the dance. "Who is that girl?" But it doesn't count as his first words to her, since he's talking to himself. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is the article on Coca-Cola. Notice how clear it is that Coca-Cola meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Notice the lengthy sections on Coca-Cola's historical importance, its significance to economics, advertising, and even national sporting. Notice how it is footnoted by no fewer than fifty-eight independent sources discussing its significance. Your shop is not as notable as Coca-Cola, and judging purely from the information in the article, it is not notable in any way. In addition, the article on Coca-Cola was not written by the company president, who would have a conflict of interest and in any case who is far too busy running a large, notable company to have the time or inclination to write the Wikipedia article. You, on the other hand, appear to have a conflict of interest, and like Coca-Cola's president, should refrain from writing an article about your own company. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Spending too much time at the "firehose of crap" makes me a bit cranky, too. Yesterday I nearly deleted all the comments off my talk page instead of explaining for the three millionth time that no, just because your band has a MySpace page and an album you burned yourself does not make them notable. You're doing a fabulous job -- it always gives me a happy to see that I've deleted a recreated article that you previously deleted. Cheers. -- Merope 16:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
But d00d!!! We played 3 shows at the Des Moines, Iowa VFA Hall & won the KCUI 2007 Battle of the Bands! Check out the YouTube videos of our shows. Our drummer Seth is Kid Rock's 4th cousin twice removed and Kid said our demo was "pretty cool"!!! How can you say we are not notable??? I demand you put our article back immediately! --SomeGuyInABand ok, ok, it's really --Isotope23 16:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
ROTFL!!!!!
But seriously - NP patrol makes me cross-eyed, too :) Keep up the good work!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyrTN (talk • contribs)
That glass is half empty. :) -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the happy thoughts. I'm going to go read Jack London stories and take a long nap. After that... I might even have an actual full glass of Adult Beverage. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm "borrowing" your newpages box at the top of your page... I hope you don't mind.--Isotope23 19:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Help yourself to anything you like; I don't know real code, so everything I have is stolen in bits and pieces from other people anyway. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
For example, I'm stealing back the code to make it collapsible, which I think is a very neat trick. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Nooooo.... well OK then.--Isotope23 14:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Me too. I'm stealing what FQ rightfully stole first. - Philippe | Talk 15:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm cashing in my tiny barnstar, you owe me and I demand repayment. Unless you don't speak Image GFDL. I'd copied book images from amazon and tagged them with {{non-free book cover}} under the impression that we could use the images for the book-specific pages only. Now they're tagged for deletion. Am I wrong? I hate reading the GFDL and image content licensing. Please think for me.
Er. My understanding of image copyright is... weak. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, I solved my own problem so you still owe me one tiny barnstar's worth of ... advice I guess. Live in fear! (you also edited the page just before me, I had a lovely reply to Jimbo down below). WLU 22:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi
I posted the link (www.derrycityguide.com) at the top of the external link list. I have read the external link guidelines and although I have google ads on the site its primarily rich in content. The balance of ads versus content is very much in favour of the content. Take a look yourself you will see this is the case. There is no reason why this site shoud be excluded from the external link section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbob55 (talk • contribs)
So why tell me? Why not do what I suggested on your talk page when you posted the {helpme} tag- talk to other users on the Derry talk page, and seek consensus to use that link? I'm not the boss of Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I deleted it because another editor had tagged it as an article about a subject that didn't appear to meet the notability guidelines for Wikipedia. If the magazine really does meet the notability guidelines, and if you can provide at least three significant, independent sources to prove that it meets those guidelines, and if you aren't an editor or owner of the magazine, I'd be glad to look at the evidence. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, I would like to say that I did not know that i was not allowed to recreate the article. The first time i made it, it was deleted long before I finished. Secondly, Could you tell me what exactly needed to be improved? I wasn't exactly sure. Finally, do you happen to have a copy of what I wrote? It was good for me, and if I ever have to explain Ptyxur it would be helpful. Thank you.
Even if you had finished, it would still have been about a subject that does not meet the notability guidelines, which require that articles be supported by multiple, nontrivial, independent sources- and that doesn't seem likely or possible about this subject. If you promise not to recreate the article here, I could email you the contents of the article for your own use- if you enable your email; it isn't currently enabled. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
What do you consider a "Nontrivial Source"? The Diplomatic relations list on the Aerican empire's website?[5] The Charter signatories for the United Micronations? [www.groups.msn.com/unitedmicronations] What could be considered proof of our existence? Would it be notable that we sent this [micronationalproclamation.zoomshare.com] to many real world governments? And would it be at all possible to get what I wrote in the article? I won't re-post it unless you or someone else gives me the green light. Thank you.Statue2 11:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
A "nontrivial source" would be several articles, with Ptyxur as their main subject, published in sources with a fact-checking editorial board- newspapers and magazines, for examples. I can't email you the deleted article until you enable the email function, which you haven't done yet.
I've enabled it.
Statue2 02:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I've replied on the talk page there- I actually completely agree with you that it will probably end up being deleted, but at the moment, it doesn't seem to be a speedy candidate. And it would be possible to write a good, interesting article on the subject that was encyclopedic and sourced, though I don't think the creator is planning to do that. I don't think there's any particular hurry; it isn't as if it contains the entire text of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, like an article I deleted earlier this evening did. -FisherQueen (Talk) 03:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I just looked back, and you tagged that one, too. Go, you. -FisherQueen (Talk) 03:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
You deleted Miss metro-pacific with a log entry of "no assertion of notability". But this article was about an event, not an individual or a group, and I don't think that WP:CSD#A7 applies in such cases. It seems to me that this was a case for prod or AfD, so that reasons and sources for notability (if any exist) would have tome to be brought forward. Please consider undeleting this article DES(talk) 16:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm torn. I was working the Candidates for speedy deletion queue pretty quickly, and see your point about it being an arguable candidate, but there really isn't any evidence at all for notability on this; I even googled it. Can we use deletion review to undelete when the reasons and sources are brought forward? -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Sources aren't needed to avoid a speedy deletion. I note that Mutya ng plaridel is a precisely similar case. If you don't want to undelete these, or to discuss the matter further, i will simply bring them to deletion review as they stand. I don't see this as arguable at all, but as clearly outside the speedy criteria.
If something doesn't fit one of the speedy criteria, i routinely convert a speedy tag to a prod or list it on afd, or simply remove the tag altogether. In fact, i drafted {{Speedy-Warn}} to notify people about speedy deletion tags that have been removed. Consider my recent edits to MoPo, Halleluiah (character), and Ef (band) as examples.
Are you willing to discuss this with me further? DES(talk) 16:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it could be undeleted and sent to AFD or PROD, but is there any reasonable assumption that these would be kept? I understand your point DES that A7 doesn't apply to these articles, but at this point a deletion review or undelete -->WP:AFD/WP:PROD is process for process sake. Both the examples are clearly not notable and will be deleted whether it is today or 5 days from now. To me this is just evidence that A7 should be discussed to included events that fail the same notability requirements as the content currently under A7.--Isotope23talk 17:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree, either wither the firm conclusion that these events are sure to be delted, or with any such extension of A7. DES(talk) 17:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd take a gentleman's wager of 1 barnstar that if both of these were listed at AFD and neither you nor I opined (or we both did, cancelling each other out) they would most certainly be deleted...--Isotope23talk 17:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Quite possibly. Would you take that same wager at odd of 1000 to 1? IMO the odds would need to be of that order to justify an out-of-process speedy. If you take that, I'll put up $10 as soon as your certified check for $10,000 is sent to any neutral stakeholder. DES(talk) 17:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Television shows are also not subject to A7 deletion. Pleaase consider being a little less quick on the trigger with speedies. DES(talk) 17:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Guess what's back? Should the AfD be re-opened, or is this the same copy-vio content previously speedied? --Action Jackson IV 18:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I am at the Pennsic War. I'm having a marvellous time. No internet, no phones, no flush toilets. Try to keep Wikipedia from falling apart until August 11.
I understand that you deleted the 5Rhythms page because in your judgment it was not notable. I read Wikipedia policy about notability. Now, how can I see the deleted article and try to establish the notability of the subject matter?
Cosmicbaba 03:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, it would appear that FisherQueen is off cavorting around & drinking mead... so let me take a look and see if I can resolve this.--Isotope23talk 13:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
