Template:Did you know nominations/Matthew Benham

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:42, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Matthew Benham

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... that Brentford FC owner Matthew Benham, widely credited with using statistical modelling to help the club win promotion to the Premier League, dislikes the term "Moneyball"?

ALT1: ... ~~that Matthew Benham influenced both Brentford FC in the UK and FC Midtjylland in Denmark to use mathematical modelling to win football championships?~~
ALT2: ... that Matthew Benham skipped grammar school to watch a Brentford FC away match when he was 14, and went on to buy the football club and help it gain promotion to the Premier League?
ALT3: ... that British football club owner Matthew Benham is often compared to an American baseball executive portrayed by Brad Pitt in Moneyball, but dislikes the term "Moneyball"?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Megan Cornish
Comment: Article was moved into mainspace from draft on October 18, and has also been 5x expanded since then. Additional hook recommendations welcome.

Created by Das osmnezz (talk) and Cielquiparle (talk). Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk) at 23:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC).

The article meets DYK requirements and is free from close paraphrasing. A QPQ is done. Among the hook proposals, I think ALT1 and ALT2 are the best options (no particular preference here). ALT2 is verified and cited. ALT1 is also verified; however, the hook itself needs to be reworded. It implies that Brentford and FC Midtjylland have both won championships when in fact only FC Midtjylland did so; indeed, Brentford did not even win the Championship before it gained promotion. So ALT1 as currently reworded can't run. I'll give this the tick once the issues with ALT1 are sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Narutolovehinata5! How about this:

ALT1a: ... that Matthew Benham influenced both Brentford FC in the UK and FC Midtjylland in Denmark to use mathematical modelling to win more football matches? Cielquiparle (talk) 03:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Almost there. The article doesn't outright say that mathematical modelling was done "to win more football matches", but rather that the success of the two clubs can be credited to that. Maybe the hook should be modified to state that their success (not necessarily "more wins") was due to the modelling? Also, just a bit of a minor issue, but ALT1 and its variants don't mention that he's the owner, which seems odd to omit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: How about this? It's a different message but definitely stated in the article. (I tried different variations of "success" but it sounds boring...in the end there is no good simple generalisation for "helped one club gain promotion to the Premier League while the other club won three championships".)

ALT1b: ... that owner Matthew Benham influenced both Brentford FC in the UK and FC Midtjylland in Denmark to use mathematical modelling to recruit undervalued football players? Cielquiparle (talk) 08:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Any feedback on ALT1b? (No hurry, just thought of it because apparently Brentford beat Man City yesterday and are thrilled...) Cielquiparle (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this again within the next few days. I'm currently feeling some burnout due to real-life commitments and would like to take a breather from this nom first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

We should be good to go with ALT1b or ALT2 (I'll leave the final choice to the promoter), as both hooks meet requirements and are verified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)