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This article was nominated for deletion on 27 June 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was redirect to Bionic (Christina Aguilera album).

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved, histories preserved. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 22:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You Lost Me (Christina Aguilera song) → You Lost Me — I had already moved this page to "You Lost Me" but someone decided to remake the article here. 12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Isn't this a bit premature? The single has been released digitally but there is no indication that it is particularly notable. Has it achieved any chart positions? The article certainly doesn't tell us that it has. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would support the move per WP:PRECISION, to the extent this article should not be speedily redirected, per WP:CSD#G4, to Bionic (Christina Aguilera album), per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You Lost Me (Christina Aguilera song). There are more references in the present version, it is more expansive, and it does appear to have been built by scratch separately from the redirected version, so there doesn't appear to be a bifurcated history issue. However, closer, please note that if done, a history swap with the redirect is necessary.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this article is more notable than one that previously existed at You Lost Me --Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Orphaned references in You Lost Me (Christina Aguilera song)[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of You Lost Me (Christina Aguilera song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BB":

From Woohoo: "Woohoo- Chrisina Aguilera". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. Retrieved 2010-06-19.
From Bionic (Christina Aguilera album): "Woohoo- Chrisina Aguilera". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. Retrieved 2010-06-19.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not even Top100[edit]

As you see here, You Lost Me didn't even reach the Top 100 in Germany in in its scheduled debuting week (sales from week August 30, 2010 to September 05, 2010). I think that should be mentioned in the article! --79.216.218.63 (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NOPE! you don't mention what a song didn't achieve you just mention what it did achieve. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 21:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final Single[edit]

In the article, it says that YLM has been released as the final single from the album. Is there a source confirming this because I believe he plans to continue promotion of Bionic once she is done promoting Burlesque and starts preparing for the Bionic Tour. Jpagan09 (talk) 19:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:OR, the tour might not go ahead as she's started her fourth album. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 19:42, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think YLM should be listed as the final single since no one knows for sure whether it has been published or not. Also, Bionic is her fourth album, so can your statement saying she's started recording, I'm assuming from what you said, her next album. All these statements do not have reliable sources to back them up and are all just claimsJpagan09 (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Single covers in infobox[edit]

I am starting a discussion here since there is some disagreement about which cover images should be used in the infobox. We have had some editors chose one image over the image while a third group has advocated for using both. I have added back the other imag, so we can have time to reach a consensus instead of it being deleted as being an orphaned fair use image.

I think both cover images should be used since an alternate cover that is significantly different from the original and is widely distributed passes WP:NFCC. Aspects (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Im not being rude, but it violates the use of non-free-media, neither of the images are documented and I am about to note all the reasons why...

First of all, look at 99% of GA's, they dont have two covers, take Lady Gaga articles for instance, not one of them has a second image because it makes no difference to the article, and it is copyrighted material, that is restricted for a reason!

In the rationale it states;

Portion UsedThe entire cover: because the image is cover art, a form of product packaging, the entire image is needed to identify the product, properly convey the meaning and branding intended, and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the image.

"the entire image is needed to identify the product", ermmm dont think so!

"and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the image", well thats what the first one does!

Purpose of use (this is the important part)Main infobox. The image is used for identification in the context of critical commentary of the work for which it serves as cover art. It makes a significant contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not practically be conveyed by words alone. The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing the work, to show the primary visual image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for. Use for this purpose does not compete with the purposes of the original artwork, namely the artist's providing graphic design services to music concerns and in turn marketing music to the public.

"The image is used for identification in the context of critical commentary of the work for which it serves as cover art." - You kidding?

"The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing the work, to show the primary visual image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for." - one can do that!

So it absolutely violates most terms of copyrighted material, the image shown in the second one is also a shot of the music video, which is already documented with its own similar copyrighted picture. Literally I cannot be bothered to go on... (but thanks for opening a discussion :D) --FeuDeJoie (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, I'm late in this. I think the other cover should be used (the one that was deleted) per Womanizer (song), where the physical cover is used rather than the digital cover. — Status {^talk_contribs 00:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:You Lost Me/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 17:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Info box[edit]

Recorded parameter needed
I'd put the music video link as an External link at the bottom of the article like "Trouble (Leona Lewis song)".

Lead[edit]

Described by Aguilera as the "heart of the album," the song was written by Aguilera and Sia Furler, with the song's producer Samuel Dixon. → Described by Aguilera as the "heart of the album," it was co-written by Aguilera, Sia Furler and the producer of the song, Samuel Dixon.
Lyrically, the song talks about a cheating man, who has left the world in Aguilera's view as "infected". → This could re-worded, just isn't clear enough.
with reviewers noting it as one of the album's highlights and complimenting the song for being a return to Aguilera in the time before the previous single, "Not Myself Tonight". → Same again here. The second paragraph could do with be re-written.
Commercially, the song's performance was very weak, becoming her first single to fail to enter the → Poor phrasing
Billboard Hot 100 → U.S. Billboard Hot 100
Internacionally, → You should be able to work out what needs to be fixed here.
percormance → And here.
A music video directed by Anthony Mandler was conceived to embody the lyrics of the track, it featured Aguilera in several scenes. → This is even worse, very bad to read.
First in a room full of damaged furniture, second in an area filled with charcoal on which she lies, and thirdly in a blue and white room in which a man attempts to pick her up of which she fights back, all the while in tears. → This is a bad brief synopsis, uninspiring to read.
, and generally Aguilera's appearance was well received. → Poor phrasing.
She performed the song on American Idol, the Late Show with David Letterman, The Today Show, and The Early Show. → The wording here could also be improved. The entire lead is just like a list of hard facts, it's uninspiring to read.

Summary[edit]

Sorry but failing. The lead alone is poorly written with basic grammar and spelling mistake issues. It is boring to read and not engaging. Picking out an issue at random from the rest of the article: "Set at 50 beats per minute, it is categorized in genres" is also written poorly. I suggest you get someone from the guild of copy editors to go over the article, or ask some other friends or editors who are uninvolved with the article to help you. Considering they have also contributed greatly to the article, perhaps ask User:Status or User:Lil-unique1. AARON• ^TALK 17:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Orphaned references in You Lost Me[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of You Lost Me's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "musicomh":

From Prima Donna (Christina Aguilera song): Cragg, Michael (June 7, 2010). "Christina Aguilera - Bionic | album reviews | musicOMH". musicOMH. Retrieved May 15, 2012.
From Ain't No Other Man: Murphy, John (July 31, 2006). "Christina Aguilera – Ain't No Other Man Review". musicOMH. Retrieved June 22, 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]