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Utah naming[edit]

This page claims Utah is named for the Ute, but the Utah page itself claims this is a false etymology. Anyone able to resolve? 174.21.105.68 (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with the Opening Paragraph[edit]

There are two sentences in the opening paragraph that I was tempted to remove/heavily edit, but I thought I should open up a discussion first as I don't know much about the history of this page.

The following sentence, seems like an example of exotifying a group of natives for no good reason: "They have lived in the regions of present-day Utah and Colorado for centuries, hunting, fishing and gathering food." In an article about the Greek or Chinese people we don't point out that they spent a lot of their time collecting food to eat... Surely the fact that they hunted and fished isn't a unique, or defining characteristic of the Ute people.

I believe the final sentence in the paragraph is similarly exotifying and unnecessary: "Spiritual and ceremonial practices were observed by the Utes." This sentence is true of all people groups on Earth and doesn't seem to really relate anything meaningful about the Ute people. Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 03:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, Skoulikomirmigotripa. Please make edits as you see fit.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Numic language group - Apache[edit]

Hello,

Apache is listed in the Numic language group subheading as a Uto Numic language, but Apache is actually an Athabaskan language. The Apache are the only other Athabaskan language group in the Southern United States, the Navajo being the other. I am proposing removing Apache from this paragraph. Dwight911pdx (talk) 08:05, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dwight911pdx, ok great = I'll make the edit.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Map of Uto-Aztecan Languages[edit]

Is the map mislabeled? It says "Distribution of Uto-Aztecan languages at the time of first European contact," but surely this can't be right. It only shows a distribution of languages in what is now the USA, except for a little bit of Sonora. Surely, this is a map of the distribution of Uto languages, is it not? If the Aztecan languages were included, there would be distribution all the way down the western coast of Mexico and on into Central America. GnatFriend (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GnatFriend Thanks for pointing that out. How would you label it?–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I took a stab here. How does that look? If you want to edit it, please feel free to go ahead make the change and word it correctly.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit[edit]

I rolled back an edit here, because the edit changes the meaning of the sentence without addition of another source.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe add an image like this https://imgur.com/a/UDFyN1p so that people can see the scale of the land the ute people were forced to give away? I just used google maps as the background for the map of the world and I put on top of that map of the world a map of the land the ute people were forced to give to the US throughout the 1800s 1900s and 2000s here's the place where I found that map https://www.agci.org/iron/history/geography-and-ute-history. If the image isn't creativecommons just find a US map and a representation that are available for edits and overlay them ontop of eachother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apsagaftlog (talk • contribs) 04:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apsagaftlog I have no idea how to do that without infringing on copyright law. I found this image, though, in commons

Would this work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that there's a map of the former Ute lands in the Ute people#Historic Ute bands section that overlays on top of the Utah and Colorado state maps. And, then there's the maps in the treaties section to show how little the reservations were in comparison.

Perhaps there's a way to make it clearer, particularly if there is a source that states the square miles for Ute land in comparison to the reservations.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Historic Ute bands[edit]

There was content added to this section, but no citations. There has been a refimprove tag on the section for one year with nothing done to fix it.

If someone is interested in returning the information - with proper references - here's the diff of the change.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit - removal of 7,000 characters[edit]

Brinabavd, I reverted your edits and the method didn't give me a prompt for the edit summary, so here I am. I reverted your edits because there was a lot of content removed without discussion here, there were introductions of grammar and spelling errors, some punctuation errors, and for some reason new and different urls to citations, etc.

There are some edits that look good, though, too. I can understand the change from "Native Americans" to indigenous.

Can you help me understand the key removal of content from the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Sapiah#Article title[edit]

Hello, I have posted a question at Talk:Sapiah#Article title about whether the most appropriate title for the article should be Sapiah or Buckskin Charley. If you'd like to weigh-in, that would be great!–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]