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Wikipedia describes that he was in Vegas on the 7th but he couldn't have been shot on the 7th and died on the 13th, he would have to have been shot on the 12th of September 114.23.207.191 (talk) 04:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He lingered a bit in the hospital before passing. Bremps... 02:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2PAC DIED 6 DAYZ AFTER THE SHOOTING. Timothyzic (talk) 09:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm disappointed by the lack of reactions by famous names when he died. What did B.I.G. say? Dre? Cube? It could cover a whole section. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we using (Tupac Shakur song) and (Tupac Shakur album) disambiguation tags for songs and albums that were released under his stage name "2Pac?" This was discussed at RM in 2010 [1], but this goes against naming convention. See WP:ALBUMDAB/WP:SONGDAB, which states that the disambiguation tag includes the performers "as they are credited on the album cover."162 etc. (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, i would like to update this because i feel like there are some things left out about Tupac Shakur that i would like to add. Thank You Ezradaniels (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Tollens (talk) 22:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HEY, HI. PLEASE CHANGE THIS PHOTO, THIS IS NOT A PHOTO FROM HIS DRIVE LICENCE, IT'S PHOTO FROM PRISON, FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS SENTENCE IN CLINTON CF. I THINK TUPAC SHAKUR AS AN ICON AND THE GREAT ARTIST DESERVES FOR BETTER PIC OF HIM ON THE MAIN THINGS SUCH AS WIKIPEDIA. REGARDS FROM POLAND Timothyzic (talk) 10:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you remove the part that Tupac is considered a symbol of struggle and activism against inequality? Tupac, in addition to being an influential rapper, was also a very influential activist. Pier1999 (talk) 21:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are correct. I have reverted based on the discussion here:
I believe that discussion should be moved here. Please feel free to move my comments here.--David Tornheim (talk) 03:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok, but it should be written on the page that he was an activist and it should be rewritten that he is considered a symbol of struggle and activism against inequalities Pier1999 (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's where you'll need WP:RS. If you have time, I suggest reading all of the article (Tupac Shakur) and as much of the sources from the article that are relevant. Then provide your sources--especially if you have others not already cited. (Of course, no one expects you to read even close to all 297 sources of the article.)
Of course, you always just provide the sources that support the claim, like you were doing on Binksternet's page. I suggest you spend a little time looking at some article talk pages (for other very different subjects) to see how editors argue for or against the inclusion of material based on the WP:RS. Sometimes you will see long lists of sources with quotes. If you can't find one, I can point to one. The better organized such a list is, the more effective and convincing it is. Long discussions--like the one on Binksternet's page--are much harder to read and often run into the problem of TL;DR. A list of sources with key quotes is more effective. The more and stronger the sources, the better. Hope that helps.--David Tornheim (talk) 03:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much of Shakur’s music has been noted for addressing contemporary social issues that plagued inner cities, and he is considered a symbol of activism against inequality." Other source Pier1999 (talk) 21:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What needs to be done to ensure that it is written on the page that is a symbol of struggle and activism against inequalities? I cited the sources Pier1999 (talk) 23:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for providing the WP:RS. Keep up the good work!
Like I suggested before, include all the WP:RS that says it. I believe you left off WP:RS mentioned at User_talk:Binksternet#Tupac_Page_on_Wikipedia, including one that I provided. Above I suggested making a table with quotes.
I don't know if you are able to edit the article directly. You could try a WP:BOLD edit and see if others revert it. If they do, DON'T revert back, please. (See WP:BRD). I suggest avoiding any edit to the WP:LEDE until you have more experience on Wikipedia.
And again, I suggest you look at other articles that you are less invested in. I also suggest you look at the top of my User:David_Tornheim, and click on the section "Advice for new editors"--I wrote it primarily for editors who are amped up to the point of accusing other editors of bad faith editing and or feeling attacked for trying to put in their preferred version. You're not there, and I hope you never get there. It's easier to understand what happens when you are not involved in the subject under dispute. Watching others helps you see what NOT to do. You are not alone in trying to add (or delete) something to an article that has push-back. Patience is critical. Diligently reviewing, posting and discussing the best WP:RS is always helpful.
I'm not ready to add anything yet, as I am not sufficiently familiar with the article to even know where to add it and how to phrase it. I'm hoping an editor more familiar with the article sees this and considers adding it. Again, be patient. If it is unambiguously in the WP:RS, which I believe it is, it will end up in the article per WP:NPOV, which says:
All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.
ok, but it won't let me edit Tupac's page, it says edits are closed to avoid vandalism. Pier1999 (talk) 00:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Go to the Wikipedia:Teahouse and tell them that you would like to edit the article and that you are not going to vandalize it. Ask if there is an appropriate place to ask an WP:admin for permission. You can WP:ping me there by typing {{u|David Tornheim}} in the wikitext and saying something along the lines that I sent you there, and I will vouch for you. --David Tornheim (talk) 01:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Answered at Teahouse: Pier1999 will be auto-confirmed late Sat or Sunday latest, and then able to edit the article directly. David notMD (talk) 10:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pier1999 and ActionHeroesAreReal: Both of you are new editors. Rather than reverting each other like this [2][3][4][5], please discuss here or in another section of the talk page.
You'll want another editor (or more) to break the tie. I'm not willing to weigh in at this point. You can try WP:3O, or test your source at WP:RS/N, or maybe you both can come to an agreement. Please review WP:BRD--it's not policy but it's well worth following. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The original sentence I removed was a direct copy from the cited source (Mcac.maryland.gov). This was a clear copyright violation, that’s why I removed it. I also removed the second edit by @Pier1999 which, again, was mostly a direct copy, and this time with an unsourced statement that Tupac’s music was noted for “political issues”. This is not mentioned anywhere in the source. @Pier1999 then changed the sentence to “Shakur symbolizes activism against inequality.” This vague statement doesn’t even deserve to be in the lead; it’s not explored anywhere else in the article, and only one source states this. It seems like puffery. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ActionHeroesAreReal: Thanks for discussing. I would support including that text as a quote in the WP:BODY, but, at this point, not in the WP:LEDE. Have you seen the section above (#Activism)? Pier1999 does have sources. I agree with you that the WP:LEDE should only mention activism to the extent it is mentioned in the WP:BODY. If it is not in the WP:BODY, then it should not be mentioned in the WP:LEDE at all. I suggested Pier1999 add material to the article using the above sources.--David Tornheim (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I agree it shouldn’t be in the lede. As for him being an “activist”, this was not a notable occupation of his. Most reliable sources refer to him as a rapper, not an “activist”. It shouldn’t be in the lede either. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 20:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also have academic sources that demonstrate that he was also influential in activism. I also contacted academic scholars directly, I don't write things on the page at random. I'm very knowledgeable about Tupac's life Pier1999 (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not saying that there aren’t sources that state he was an “activist”. The source you cited also refers to him as a “poet”, “actor”, etc. Why don’t you add those occupations also? Because they aren't his notable occupations. Most reliable sources refer to him as a rapper because that’s what he’s best known for, not a poet, actor, or activist. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 21:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have plenty of articles that list the various occupations and skills of people. We usually include those other skills rather than keeping them out. Consider Noam Chomsky. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, to put him at the top I used a professional Rolling Stones source, I have other academic sources that talk about him as an activist. So what should I do? Pier1999 (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s still not a notable occupation of his. He was only an “activist” within the scope of being a rapper; not an activist per se. What did he publish as an “activist”??? What did he publish as a “poet”? Rather, he’s best known for being a rapper. He was also better known for being an actor than an activist or poet. Britannica, for example, refers to him as a rapper and actor (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tupac-Shakur). I would have no objection to actor being mentioned alongside rapper, but activist or poet is just not notable enough. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 22:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I quote you this article from Temple University:" Pier1999 (talk) 23:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"One of Aaron Smith’s favorite songs is Tupac Shakur’s “Ambitionz Az A Ridah,” because of its bold beat, empowering lyrics and purpose.
“Tupac was an artist with a message,” said Smith, an African American studies professor. “An activist, not the gangster that people portray him as.”
Smith teaches a class in the Department of Africology and African American Studies called Tupac Shakur and the Hip Hop Revolution. The class is dedicated to studying Tupac’s message, the direction of his life and his symbolic significance as an artist and an activist." Pier1999 (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Britannica--which is only marginally reliable because it is a tertiary source rather a secondary source--does, in fact, mention activism within the lyrics: "[Tupac] appeared in Poetic Justice, opposite Janet Jackson, and he released his second album...[which]...did not stray far from the activist lyricism of his debut....". That source supports claims of activism. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/books/review/tupac-shakur-authorized-biography-staci-robinson.html "“Tupac Shakur” is a touching, empathetic portrait of a friend. Even familiar stories achieve new intimacy at closer range. And small moments help clarify longstanding narratives, coloring in the outlines of this well-known tale of the actor-rapper-activist who died at 25." This is an article from the NY Times and it talks about the book that was written by Staci Robinson about Tupac. The only biography authorizes Pier1999 (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/148529.Tupac_Shakur_ "Acclaimed for his writings on Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr., as well as his passionate defense of black youth culture, Michael Eric Dyson has emerged as the leading African American intellectual of his generation. Now Dyson turns his attention to one of the most enigmatic figures of the past decade: the slain hip-hop artist Tupac Shakur.Five years after his murder, Tupac remains a widely celebrated, deeply loved, and profoundly controversial icon among black youth. Viewed by many as a "black James Dean," he has attained cult status partly due to the posthumous release of several albums, three movies, and a collection of poetry. But Tupac endures primarily because of the devotion of his loyal followers, who have immortalized him through tributes, letters, songs, and celebrations, many in cyberspace.Dyson helps us to understand why a twenty-five-year-old rapper, activist, poet, actor." This article is about the book written by Michael Eric Dyson about Tupac, Dyson is an academic scholar and professor in the College of Arts and Science and Divinity School at Vanderbilt University Pier1999 (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
“Tupac was an artist with a message,” said Smith, an African American studies professor. “An activist, not the gangster that people portray him as.”
Smith teaches a class in the Department of Africology and African American Studies called Tupac Shakur and the Hip Hop Revolution. The class is dedicated to studying Tupac’s message, the direction of his life and his symbolic significance as an artist and an activist." It's an article from Temple University, it describes a course that was held at Temple University on Tupac. Pier1999 (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You referenced the work of one person, Aaron Smith, an African-American whose book “Tupac and the Hip-Hop Revolution” (which the lecture at the University was based on) was published by CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, a self-publishing service. So it’s not even a reliable source to begin with, as per Wiki guidelines. And he claims, because of ONE song (Ambitionz Az A Ridah), which contains profanity every other sentence, Tupac should be considered an “activist”… What a joke. Again, it’s only his view and his book is not even a reliable source to begin with. Like I said, Tupac cannot be considered described as an activist in the lede, as it wasn’t a notable occupation of his. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 00:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaron Smith actually Is a Professor of African American Studies and works at Temple University. Pier1999 (talk) 01:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It also says in the article that he is a professor of African American studies. But have you read it? I also linked the part for you Pier1999 (talk) 01:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you can also look up his curriculum, he's not just an "African American", he's a professor of African American studies who teaches at Temple University. His opinion is valid, we are talking about those who have studied African-American history. Pier1999 (talk) 01:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His opinion alone is not sufficient to be lede material. Nowhere close. And even he is is an established expert on the topic cited, it’s still an exceptional claim he is making. As per Wiki guidelines, exceptional claims require exceptional sources. His claim is not notable. Most sources, as I have already mentioned, do not refer to him as an “activist”, but rapper. ActionHeroesAreReal (talk) 01:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not correct. Pier1999 provided quite a few sources--however, s/he should really bring them here rather than leave them--inappropriate on an editors talk page. I have asked a few times that the sources be moved here. I will support the claim once I see the sources mentioned here. Again, It's not an exceptional claim.
I have several sources, however I wrote that Tupac symbolizes activism against inequality, because in this way I report what is written in the source without copying it word for word. Pier1999 (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pier1999: Like I say above, you need to provide them. Right now you have them on an editor's talk page. That's like not having mentioned them at all. ActionHeroesAreReal is under no obligation to go on a wild goose chase looking at every talk page of any editor you might have interacted with.
If you want the sources to be considered for this article, they must be brought and discussed here (or a venue like WP:RS/N), and then ideally find their way into the article. I have asked you a number of times to provide a list here of the sources and quotes from the sources. You have the material. All you need to do is organize it. Why not do this? You will get more support for putting activism in the article if you provide all the sources you have already mentioned somewhere else. A table would be best. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just cited the source here Pier1999 (talk) 00:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I quoted a Temple University source in this discussion. Among other things, I had cited a source regarding the fact that Tupac was a symbol of activism against inequality and it was canceled by another user Pier1999 (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pier1999: ONE source from a what appears to be a college newspaper written by a student will not cut it. You have other sources, like Stanford, Dyson, a New York Times article, an article in El Planteo, the Rolling Stones article (I don't see it mentioned here), and the .gov--possibly others. I also mentioned this as potential RS. Why not use them? Put them all together. You already have all the material assembled. Why not copy and paste it here? Your argument here is weak without all the sources. It doesn't need to be. --David Tornheim (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned two, the one about Dyson's book and the one from the NY Times Pier1999 (talk) 02:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why is it that someone changes the accurate description of Tupac that I have provided using various website sources? It don’t understand should I include citation’s now? Like references. Confunxion (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Confunxion: These is really a wikipedia policy questions. I have answered on your talk page in these two sections:
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I am the biological daughter of Tupac shakur I have verified X and Instagram accounts @lisajanehargreaves and I also have my medical records confirming my blood results.
I am of African American origin. Lisa jane Hargreaves (talk) 18:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.
Please note that social media accounts are not acceptable sources on Wikipedia. If you are asking to be mentioned in the page we would need independent reliable sources, such as news articles, confirming your relation to Tupac. Jamedeus (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lisa jane Hargreaves Thank you for coming forward and immediately declaring your relationship and WP:COI per the guidelines. I look forward to hearing your edit request(s). --David Tornheim (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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