Talk:The Belnord

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Review: August 11, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from The Belnord appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in the 1970s, residents of the Belnord in New York City had to sneak in refrigerators at night?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Belnord.

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Name of the building[edit]

See Talk:The Dakota#Requested move for a discussion about using "the" in the name of an article about an apartment building in NYC's Category:Central Park West Historic District.

See also Talk:The Dakota#Request for comment which has a slightly different focus. --Enkyo2 (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source about building's history[edit]

From the New York Times: The Wild History of the Real ‘Only Murders’ Building. Legoktm (talk) 04:58, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Belnord

... that a dispute at the Belnord apartment building in New York City was likened to the siege of Beirut? Source: Lavietes, Stuart (June 25, 2004). "Lillian Seril, 95, Dies; Landlord at Center of Rent Strike". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that a New York City official likened a dispute at the Belnord apartment building to the siege of Beirut? Source: Lavietes 2004
- ALT2: ... that the owner of the Belnord apartment building in New York City bought free houses in Florida and Nevada for existing residents? Source: Lagnado, Lucette (July 3, 2001). "Old Notions: All-Natural Retirement Isn't So Easy, a Look At the Belnord Shows --- In a Luxury Building, a Duel Between Senior Services And a Landlord's Vision --- The Symbolism of Benches". The Wall Street Journal.
- ALT3: ... that the owner of the Belnord apartment building bought houses for residents, then rented out their old apartments? Source: Lagnado 2001
- ALT4: ... that in the 1970s, residents of the Belnord in New York City had to sneak in refrigerators at night? Source: Harris, Elizabeth A. (October 21, 2013). "A Landmark Building With a Fraught History". The New York Times.
- ALT5: ... that residents of the Belnord in New York City had to sneak in refrigerators at night because the building's owner would not let them replace their appliances? Source: Harris 2013
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bud Jorgensen

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Belnord; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC) @Epicgenius: Thanks for your work on the article. I have a couple of questions. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should the infobox location be New York City rather than New York, New York?
First hook is fine per the source, but in the article body compared the dispute to the siege of Beirut, "where one or both parties are shooting at us" to me implies that the speaker felt that parties were shooting at him and his department. However, looking at the first part of is quote ("I'm not going to get myself into a West Beirut situation, where one..), it seems he wanted to avoid that.
ALT4 & ALT5 - I'm not seeing support for the hook in the archived version of the source. What's the relevant text from the source used for these? (accused others of infractions from illegal subletting to ripping out fixtures to installing appliances was the closest that I saw there.
- @BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for the review. For ALT4 and ALT5, I accidentally provided the wrong source, which has now been fixed. I've also rephrased the article so that the "siege of Beirut" quip is clearer. I will do a QPQ soon. Epicgenius (talk) 16:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for expanding the article! I do think there's a possible opportunity for a quirky hook based on Only Murders in the Building, given that "the Building" is The Belnord, but I'm struggling to come up with something right now. Legoktm (talk) 01:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Legoktm: My pleasure. And if you have any hook ideas related to Only Murders in the Building, feel free to add them. The six hooks I proposed above were just the things that jumped out at me. Epicgenius (talk) 17:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @BennyOnTheLoose: Sorry for the long wait. I have done a QPQ now, but I'd like to keep this open for a few more days in case Legoktm would like to propose a quirky hook for Only Murders in the Building. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: approving all hooks. No real preference between them from me. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 22:49, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Belnord/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 06:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review[edit]

Last updated at 2024-02-27 19:53:25 by Cewbot

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

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Overall:

Comments: Looks good!

~~I’ve read up until the history section and my only comments so far are:~~

Are the images here under copyright or did submitting them to the state make them public domain? They’re in b&w but there are a couple good ones.
- The photographs are still under copyright. Works made by the federal government are automatically PD, but generally not works made by state governments (and particularly not those made for state governments). Epicgenius (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Darn, a couple of them were really nice ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 22:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The Belnord employed a full-time staff of 100 because it was so large." I don't know about that being in wiki-voice
- I have fixed this. Epicgenius (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perfect! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 22:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could do with a citation clean up, most of #30-40 point to the same place.
- This was done intentionally to provide precision, as the footnotes cite different pages from that source. Epicgenius (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Its not really important for GA but it might interest you: Template:RP ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 22:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Epicgenius:

Thanks for the review Argenti Aertheri. I've responded to these issues now. Epicgenius (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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