Talk:Solar System

Split into articles "The solar system" and "Solar system"

This article specifically talks about our solar system. However, "Solar system" can refer to any system with planets and a star. Lina211_{Follow your dreams} 04:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

A good question. This is already done though, see the article Planetary system. Solar System is a proper name, and uppercased on Wikipedia (see MOS:CELESTIALBODIES). As for "our Solar System" see MOS:OUR. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The alternative meaning of "Solar system" is already listed at Solar System (disambiguation). Is it fine there, or should it be in a more prominent hatnote? Cambalachero (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: more prominent hatnote?.... WP:HATNOTERULES #3 "Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind.". Per [1][2][3][4] that is a reasonable possibility pointing to Planetary system being needed in the hatnote. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 13:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Have linked the term in the hatnote per this discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Per "'removed incorrect addition ('Sol' refers to one star, the Sun"), even if this piece of spoof etymology was true (it has never been supported by a source), and even if the usage was "incorrect", it is not the purpose of a hatnote to correct a readers word usage. "The purpose of a hatnote is to help readers locate a different article if the one they are at is not the one they're looking for." With well verified secondary usage "a similar system centered on another star ", "any group of planets that all move around the same star", a hatnote directing the reader to another article is recommended at WP:HATNOTERULES re:"reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind". Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

"Planetary system" already exists and is linked in the hatnote, no further explanation seems needed and just adds extra words. Readers are smart enough to realize that Solar System means Solar System and that the planetary system in the hatnote will get them to other star's systems. Just remembered this second, ha, I actually attended the press conference announcing the first planetary system discovered outside of the Solar System. Probably in 1995, Madison, Wisconsin, at the annual national astronomical conference. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Removed "mistakenly", HATNOTES (and anything else in Wikipedia) should be written in neutral language. Definitely not a place to insert unverified opinion. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

On a closer check, all the references provided here are definitions in dictionaries. Those only reference that the meaning exists, not how spread it is. See for example NASA's page on exoplanets here, it talks about planetary systems from the let go, and their Solar system page here does not seem to need to make any clarifications on the front page. The Solar System overview here makes it quite clear: ours is the Solar system, others are planetary systems. Granted, the NASA is just one reference, even if it is a big one, but it would seem to point out that using "solar system" to talk about planetary systems is not a big use of the term. I would just leave it at the DAB, make the hatnote shorter and go on with our lives. Cambalachero (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thing about NASA is, they don't name things, they fly rockets. We really can't OR our way out or use divination via looking at lots of NASA, ESA, or academic papers [5][6][7][8], they tend to flipflop usage all over the place. WP:HATNOTERULES / reasonable possibility is pretty clear and we should follow the sources that actual track this, not our own observations or opinions. The wording created by Cessaune and Some1 seems pretty strait forward. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It reads out now as long and incorrect. It worked fine with just 'planetary system' (linked) and then the disambiguation link. Fountains of Bryn Mawr, I would think that since your good faith change was reverted that it should go back as it was until you get consensus for the change. As it stands now the words "solar system" seem to add and encourage incorrectness in the hatnote of a major page. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

What about this? This article is about the Sun and the objects orbiting it. For objects in or out of orbit around a star or star system in general, see planetary system. For other uses, see Solar System (disambiguation). (similar to the Moon's hatnote) Some1 (talk) 03:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

"The Sun and its planetary system" covers it all, and is less wordy. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Have changed the hatnote back, please get consensus for such a major disputed change (maybe in a new section or RfC, the section head doesn't fit the current discussion, thanks). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Consensus was already reached at WP:HATNOTERULES #3 and there is absolutely no verification that there is any "incorrectness" going on (and, by consensus, adding an incorrect usage would also go into a hatnote re:by mistake). So a variation of Some1 and Moon - This article is about the Sun and the objects orbiting it. For such systems in general, see planetary system. For other uses, see Solar System (disambiguation). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

"Consensus was already reached"? When? The discussion has barely started some days ago, and the exchange a month ago can barely even count as a discussion. Wikipedia:You are probably not a lexicologist or a lexicographer is not appropriate for this, as I'm not contrasting dictionaries with my own opinion, but a major source on astronomy topics. And now that we are at it, ESA also uses "Planetary System". Cambalachero (talk) 13:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

? Doing your own original research (again) via citing word usage (whether the source is major or not) is lexicology. Again, people who fly rockets are not the people who name things or define terms (you may be looking for the IAU). The consensus that was already reached is at the consensus guideline WP:HATNOTERULES where we mention other topics in hatnotes when reasonable possibility that the reader has another topic in mind - even if we think they got there by mistake. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

The linked "Planetary system" seems enough for anyone thinking that other planetary systems are 'solar', and they will quickly understand that there is only one. There is nothing broken here, the hatnote seems fine, concise, and educational, and may civility among readers and editors exist and prosper in this planetary system. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

The generally accepted standard in Wikipedia is terminology in the lead section should not depend on a link to another article. And again, you are making the unverified statement "there is only one", care to provide a reliable source? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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soo thiss is so random i didnt knew u could add text on this my teacher told me not to believe wiki pedia becuz the source can be fake as u can edit so ommgggggggggggggg 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you can edit anywhere on Wikipedia you want (try it by adding something worthwhile and it may even stay) but that does not mean those edits get to stick around. I found this one a minute after you posted it, and could erase it right now but decided to answer to give you an education (maybe unlike your teacher is trying to do). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Although, to be clear, you can't actually edit this article because it's been semi-protected. Make an account, do some constructive editing for a few days, and then you can. :) Serendi^podous 14:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Good point about the protected pages, thanks. My mistake (but nothing compared to the teacher's mistake not to ever trust Wikipedia - trust but verify moves this crowd-sourced knowledge engine). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

im really sorry

i was gonna delete it right after but i realised i cant

please delete it

im really sorry and i ensure you it wont happen again 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I for one won't delete it, it's a good lesson. And your apology is very Wikipedian (click on that for a nice overview of the editors here). You're fine. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

aish

i hate this teacher

please do me a favor and delete it 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, now you'll giving me a lesson. I don't know if I can delete per Wikipedia guidelines, maybe all of us have to agree. Serendipodous, would you mind if this was deleted? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

i realy appreciate it!

can you tell me how to erase it..? 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Let's see if the other editor agrees. Removing it is a simple cut and paste then press 'publish changes' and it'll be in the history but not in visible space. But don't remove other people's talk page comments unless they agree. Nothing to fret about, it was a good comment, experiment in editing (we call them test edits, lots of people test to see if they actually can edit Wikipedia), and questions. Been fun, actually. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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Earth and Mars, actual size differential. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

mars is one of the hottest planet and is bigger than eart 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

It actually isn't, it's very small compared to Earth and is not very hot. The air is much thinner though. A few tips, uppercase proper names (Mars), check your spelling, and prove to your teacher that Wikipedia isn't such a bad place after all (extra credit?). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

thank you so much for the information! and ill surely have a wise talk with my so called TEACHER 42.201.194.138 (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Most teachers are cool (as is Mars, it's a pretty cold planet), just imagine the things they have to put up with! One of the toughest but most rewarding jobs on Earth (about the same size as Venus). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Haumea

After the mini section describing Haumea, the word Haumea is repeated again:

Haumea (43.13 AU average from the Sun) is in an orbit similar to Makemake, except that it is in a temporary 7:12 orbital resonance with Neptune.[165] Like Makemake, it was discovered in 2005.[166] Uniquely among the dwarf planets, Haumea possess a ring system, two known moons named Hiʻiaka and Namaka, and rotates so quickly (once every 3.9 hours) that it is stretched into an ellipsoid. It is part of a collisional family of Kuiper belt objects that share similar orbits, which suggests a giant collision took place on Haumea and ejected its fragments into space billions of years ago.[167] Haumea

Could somebody please fix this? 2601:600:9080:A4B0:CD24:868:4FEA:35DF (talk) 22:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I do not see any repetition. Ruslik_Zero 13:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be split to two pages, one for a generic Solar System and another for the Sol System?

I find it kind of odd that when we talk about a Solar System, we're directly referring to ours, when there's trillions of solar systems out there, should there not be a distinction between the two terms? Stathisdjs (talk) 16:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article for other solar systems called Planetary system. Continually comes up as a problem since Solar System currently fails to redirect the reader properly via HATNOTE re: WP:HATNOTERULES #3 "Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind.". Per [9] [10][11][12][13] that is more than reasonable possibility (and actually a secondary definition) pointing to a need for a need for a HATNOTE along the lines of This article is about the Sun and the objects orbiting it. For objects in or out of orbit around a star or star system in general, see planetary system. For other uses, see Solar System (disambiguation). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)