Talk:Samuel Ward (Rhode Island politician)

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Double descent from Roger Williams[edit]

I would like to see verification of the descent of the father Richard Ward from Roger Williams. I do know of the descent of the mother Mary Tillinghast Ward from Roger Williams (as well as from my direct ancestor Rev. Pardon Tillinghast, 1623-1718). Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Dispute unsourced Founding Fathers label[edit]

No prominent sources can be found on the internet explicitly referring to Samuel Ward as a Founding Father of the United States. Yes, he was an important figure in colonial affairs, but he died before the nation's actual founding. Unless multiple sources can be provided to support this, the title will be removed. Allreet (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The signers of the other three founding documents are accepted per sources and various talk page discussions as Founding Fathers, and since there is no dispute that the Continental Association is a founding document, site consistency applies. Besides the defining 2017 Werther article "Analyzing the Founders: A Closer Look at the Signers of Four Founding Documents" in the Journal of the American Revolution here are two other sources which, for consistency and per WP:COMMONSENSE, acknowledge that the Founders include the signers of the fourth: The Founder of the Day article "Signers of the Continental Association" clearly states "Below is a list of the Founders who signed the Continental Association" [emphasis mine], followed by the names of the 53 signers (Founder of the Day also names the Association as one of the four founding documents). The worldhistory.edu "Top 10 Founding Fathers of the United States of America" - section "List of Founding Fathers of the United States" asserts "Also, two broader groups of Founding Fathers capture the signers of Articles of Confederation (the initial version of the American Constitution which was adopted in 1777 and ratified in 1781) and the signers of the Continental Association (created on October 20, 1774)" [emphasis mine]. Please add these sources to the pages of the other Association signers you are intent of removing from Founding Father status, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]