Talk:Sabra and Shatila massacre

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The subsections U.N. condemnation, MacBride commission and Israeli Kahan commission are listed under the section "Postwar testimonies by Lebanese Forces operatives" despite having nothing (or very little) to do with the testimonies. I propose to restructure the article to move the postwar testimony paragraph to a subsection of "Role of various parties" and to rename the section about the UN condemnation and the two mentioned commissions to something along the gist of "International Response and Investigations".

Sharon libel suit[edit]

I think it is worth mentioning that Sharon pursued a similar suit against Time in an Israeli court, which was settled by both parties with compensation which was reported as substantial ("Neither party would disclose the amount of the payment, but the Israeli radio reported that the figure was substantial" -

Elie Hobeika[edit]

There needs to be an emphasis on how Elie Hobeika's forces were the perpetrators throughout the text. The blame should not be put on the Lebanese Front organization collectively! Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022[edit]

Current list of perpetrators only includes “Lebanese Forces militia under Elie Hobeika”

Per UN commission findings cited in article, please change listing of perpetrators to include Israel, Mossad, and the Israeli Defence Forces. Pxsarkany (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Thinker78 (talk) 00:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The UN commission findings did not mention the Mossad even once, in any context, so it is dubious to list the Mossad as a perpetrator "Per UN commission findings". Regarding whether the Mossad was a perpetrator regardless of the commission findings - no academic literature on the subject suggests Mossad responsibility for the massacre. As to listing Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces as perpetrators, legal responsibility (which is indeed attributed to Israel/IDF in the cited commission findings) does not lead to the conclusion that the party was a perpetrator in the crime. The UN commission findings attribute legal responsibility to Israel as an occupying power (quote from the report - "The Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities bear a heavy legal responsibility, as the occupying power, for the massacres at Sabra and Chatila"), not as a perpetrator. The UN commission report does not state that the IDF perpetrated the massacre. The proposed change does not have basis in the cited source, and is controversial at best when considering other academic sources and legal verdicts in various jurisdictions. Listing of Israel, the Mossad, and the IDF as perpetrators would damage Wikipedia's credibility and neutrality. PolypeptideChain (talk) 09:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A note about the "heavy legal responsibility" (currently absent) seems like it might be worth adding somewhere. Which one is the report this came from? Iskandar323 (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2023[edit]

Ariel Sharon was directly involved in the massacres by encouraging the militia to end the lives of Palestinians living in the camps. (talk) 08:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]