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Untitled[edit]

What the hell is going on here? This article "objectively" claims that a mountain flied in the air, I have noticed that many, many coptic articles about saints contain similar miracles without being phrased as "Coptics believe that ..."

Will somebody PLEASE take the pain of cleaning those articles? Thanks!

Proposed move 1[edit]

Pope Abraham of Alexandria → Abraham of Alexandria[edit]

Oppose. But leave redirect in place, of course. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Clerical names. Addition discussion at Talk:Pope Peter VII of Alexandria. –Hajor 14:04, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Opposed But a move to Abraham the Syrian, I would not oppose. As it states in the Wikipedia:Naming Conventions Saints go by their most common English name, minus the "Saint" unless they are only recognisable by its inclusion. Abraham the Syrian is his most recognizable name despite the fact he is the Patriarch of Alexandria. Same rule would apply to Mark the Evangelist. -Markio 00:54, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 20:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Proposed move 2[edit]

Move.

"As it states in the Wikipedia:Naming Conventions Saints go by their most common English name, minus the "Saint" unless they are only recognisable by its inclusion. Abraham the Syrian is his most recognizable name despite the fact he is the Patriarch of Alexandria. Same rule would apply to Mark the Evangelist."

That's what I said before and I'll stick to it. -Markio 15:32 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Still unsure. But liable to yield to the opinions of the Copts and experts. –Hajor 17:19, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oppose Almost all the others in the List of Coptic Popes seem to be "Pope Xxxx of Alexandria" --Henrygb 00:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not necessary, leave him with the format "Pope Xxxx of Alexandria". Gryffindor 13:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As per Henrygb. – Axman (☏) 04:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request not fulfilled due to lack of consensus. Rob Church ^Talk 12:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger with Abraham the Syrian[edit]

They're the same article from the same source, about the same person. Someone decide which should be a redirect. John Carter 21:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Merged to here, to match other ecclesial officials. -- Pastordavid 20:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also fixed the "coptic Popes" template to direct here. -- Pastordavid 20:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

simony is not cheirothonia[edit]

the section 'Patriarchate' had 'simony, or cheirothonia,' implying they are the same thing. Cheirotonia is a word often used in English by Orthodox as meaning the Sacrament of Ordination (from the Greek word for that Mystery, Gk laying on a hand), whereas simony refers to (the sin of) buying or selling that ordination. So I removed the word cheirothonia (assuming that it was a mispelling of cheirotonia) -- Richardson mcphillips1 (talk) 17:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heavily biased[edit]

This article has been heavily biased with pro-Christian views, and various assertions that this 'miracle' is true (Without citing any scientific source for the same) not to mention that the article does not state that it is a legend, but rather once again asserts the 'divine' nature of this occurrence. I demand that Wikipedia's laws and regulations concerning neutrality and citations be applied to this article. If not, then please remove the uncited portions of the same.

188.70.107.200 (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]