Talk:Philippine English vocabulary

Rail terminology section should be removed

To me, I think these should be deleted as only appealing to a certain audience, and is little more than a list of train nicknames not known outside the railfan community. -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 22:32, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Some BrE words used in PhE?

@MarcMarkMarc: Do you have any substantial evidence certain BrE terms for AmE sweater or a shot (injection) is used in PhE? I don't think they are. I can agree that in the case of “cotton bud”, “course” as in an academic program (to me, more of a calque of “kurso” from Spanish “curso”), and rail and some transportation terminology (we basically follow a mix of BrE and AmE for jargon there), but for things like “jab”, it's hardly if ever used. I won't think we use “jumper” as a clothing item to mean “sweater”, but for the type of sleeveless dress as in AmE. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I have seen "jab" in news outlets nowadays. Here are some:
youtu.be/sIBVd7OOA3k
manilatimes.net/2021/11/26/news/national/volunteers-needed-for-3-day-jab-drive/1823682
pna.gov.ph/articles/1160200
interaksyon.philstar.com/politics-issues/2021/10/28/203360/low-rates-in-covid-19-jab-rollout-testing-are-factors-in-philippines-low-resiliency-score/
newsinfo.inquirer.net/1514204/ph-posts-highest-daily-jab-rateexpects-faster-rollout
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I know "jumper" is like a bib overalls in BrE, not as you have stated here as "jumper" as AmE debnotes that term as blue jeans. I have also seen "jumpers" as "sweaters" somewhere but I agree that the "sweaters" connotation is hardly used here. These are my two pence. MarcMarkMarc (talk) 23:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@MarcMarkMarc: Just to say, PhE generally sides with American usage (i.e. shot), but an appearance of a generally British usage in a Philippine publication doesn't necessarily make it PhE (maybe the choice of wording has to do with the article's author being educated in a setting where BrE or dialects based after it, e.g. SingE, AuE is used). And yes, we use "sweater" for what BrE calls "jumper", but don't you look up List of words having different meanings in American and British English (A-L) (you might have overlooked its common AmE def). --TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion

In light of what I seen to be uncommon usages coming from BrE added here, I think we need to be strict when some term not used in AmE can be listed here, and we need to be wary of terms that I think to be hardly used in pure PhE (e.g. in books or news articles) but only in code-switching or is a pseudo-Anglicism in Tagalog or other native languages (e.g. “slang”, in the sense of having a foreign or strong accent, or even “chancing”). Usages like “cotton bud”, “course”, or “storey” (usually BrE/Commonwealth spelling of AmE “story”) can be fine, but for terms that are usually BrE that seem to have only recently surfaced in PhE usage need to be attested for some time. BrE “jab” may have surfaced in PhE in some news articles about COVID vaccinations, but unless it became the common Philippine usage as to displace AmE “shot”, we should assume we follow AmE usage (I usually encounter “shot” in news reports, not “jab”). This vocab list should not be a list of every word one may consider to be PhE because it's used in some article or publication but is not frequently used. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

This is a nice supplement to Philippine English. But shouldn't the first inclusion criterion be WP:no original research? –Austronesier (talk) 20:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes. In regard to the main article, a short list of known terms unique to PhE may be included.

Another problem, however, is the Filipino tendency to code-switch between English and Tagalog (or another Philippine language). This quite affects attempts to find attestations of many PhE terms in WT, e.g. for the word “rubber shoe” (AmE: sneakers, BrE: trainers). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, some words primarily are used in spoken language only, and also predominantly in code-switching/mixing speech. "Rubber shoes" is very good example. It is used as a loan in monolingual Tagalog (and other) utterances, in code-switching/mixing speech, but when fully writing in English, I think many would consciously switch to "sneakers". So for finding attestations, one has to go to novel corpora such as social media post, the sampling of which is still lagging behind. –Austronesier (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Another problem is with some uncommon BrE usages being including here, just because they surfaced in some publication (we use "shot" for what is BrE "jab", and "sweater" is the standard usage for an BrE "jumper"; PhE "jumper" when meaning some item of clothing follows AmE usage). . I can agree including most common AmE terms also used in the Philippines, but for BrE and other varieties, we should be careful. English-language works in the Philippines is not necessarily written in PhE (e.g. some handbook of a school that teaches BrE or Commonwealth English, occasional substitution of AmE terms in some articles, as with "jab" for "shot").

To add to the problem, looking through past activity by MarcMarkMarc, they seem to be writing mostly in BrE. His wiki behavior is kind of shady (he claims "retired", but continues editing sporadically here, specifically this vocab list and English usages).--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

about the "american english" section

I'm from the US and say some of the terms listed as PhE in this section. For example, I say bottom drawer. I have never heard anyone call it a hope chest. Masterball2 (talk) 04:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I have just merged the two lists into a table. The main problem of that list of "American English words not commonly used in Philippine

English" is that some words there are actually in current use. Those are mostly either out of hyping supposed primary Philippine usages (which may be often informal, e.g. ice drop for popsicle). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Also other things:

• expiration date. Actually also in use. Packaging either use "expiration date" or "expiry date" IIRC.
• "first floor". Actually also in use. While "ground floor" is predominant PH usage, Philippine usage is rather mixed. Also see map at storey.
• "sales clerk". Actually in use. Is "shop assistant", which sounds too British, also used?
• "wading pool". no idea, but I suppose this is the common one, not "paddling pool" (also sounds British).

TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Looks like those terms getting wrongly labelled as not commonly used in PhE is a result of the previous primary contributor to this article being exposed to BrE (and relatives such as Singapore or Australian English). Possibly took them actual PhE, not aware they are BrE usage. Example: sales clerk. Same reason why I have jab as PhE usage over shot (for a vaccination) removed as questionable. They were added here just they happened to stumble upon them at some online news articles (possibly written by someone similarly exposed to British or British-derived English variety). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)