Talk:Odisha

Infobox replacement

The {{Infobox settlement}} used on this page is going to be replaced with {{Infobox Indian state or territory}} as per the Proposal and Consensus of RFC. Any questions/suggestions? Discuss Here.

You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory on other pages , or by improving this one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done Replaced — Tojoroy20 (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Population

Someone keeps trying to update the population with 2022 numbers. The most recent attempt was to make the population "4,41,31,247." Even if that number is supposed to be "44,131,247" it is not supported by the cited reference. Please provide a current, valid reference for any new population estimate if you have expertise on the latest population estimates. Thank you. Aroundthewayboy (talk) 01:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Including Dialects in the Language pie chart

@CityOfSilver: I replaced the data in the Language pie chart to include Dialects as distinct entities. This was reverted back as a "contentious and unsourced" change. The data is not all contentious. It was credibly sourced from the 2011 Census. The same source was mentioned as: C-16 Population by Mother Tongue: Odisha

List of Languages with Population more than 0.5% from the Census table

Language	Code	Population	in %
Odia	15043	3,15,07,158	75.05%
Sambalpuri	15058	26,29,495	6.26%
Kui	69002	9,39,177	2.24%
Santali	18040	8,59,947	2.05%
Urdu	22015	6,70,409	1.60%
Telugu	21046	6,66,842	1.59%
Hindi	6240	5,14,769	1.23%
Bengali	2007	5,04,443	1.20%
Ho	48004	4,11,098	0.98%
Sadri	6503	3,46,927	0.83%
Munda	91009	3,29,707	0.79%
Savara	106004	2,98,655	0.71%
Desia	15043	2,25,188	0.54%
Sum of remaining Others	Multiple	23,69,074	4.93%
Total	All	4,19,74,234	100%

those languages which have a population less than 0.5% have been summed under Others

if you want to verify these numbers you can download the table and see for yourself: https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/10217/download/13329/DDW-C16-STMT-MDDS-2100.XLSX

Including the dialects presents a better picture of linguistic diversity in Odisha. now, can the pie chart be reverted to the one with dialects?? — g0d0 ^{talk contribs} 21:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@G0d0 2019: That revert was not done as a "contentious and unsourced" change. I didn't even say "contentious and unsourced". My explanation was, in full, "Removed contentious, unsourced, badly explained changes." I stand by that. Your edit summary said what changes you made but there's no reason to do that; I can see what changes you made by just...reading them. Edit summaries need to explain why you made the changes you made. Yours read "included dialects and changed pie colors" and that tells me absolutely nothing I couldn't have learned from looking at your edit. Why did you make these changes? I have no idea.

In fact, your edit summary isn't even fully accurate because it didn't say anything about the most contentious part of your change. You replaced the text "Kharavela was a Jain ruler" with "Kharavela was Kalinga ruler." You removed a fact about Kharavela's faith. Why? If you'd used the edit summary box to include a decent explanation of this change, I probably would have let it stand because even though I could have undone it as unsourced, calling Kharavela a "Kalinga ruler" is obviously true.

You didn't explain why you changed the table's colors. What was the point of doing that?

You didn't include a source for all of those updates in the table. You didn't include a source for the four additional entries you added to that table. If the sources in your message here are reliable, and I think they are, they needed to be included in your edit to the article.

I apologize because I know this is frustrating. The problem is, the topic area of South Asia is one of the most contentious parts of Wikipedia. In light of years and years and years of conflict on this website regarding it, I would say that if something of substance gets added without a source to an article that has anything to do with South Asia, it should probably get reverted. CityOfSilver 02:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@CityOfSilver hi, my bad I didn't mention why I changed the pie and its colours. I changed them to match the colours of the map above it. Honestly, what colours are used isn't important, the previously used colours will be fine too as long as the dialects are mentioned.

To explain why the dialects need to be included... a pie chart with only major languages presents a misleading picture of languages prevalent in Odisha. for example, dialects like Sambalpuri is distinct from Odia and Sadri is distinct from Hindi, they are only similar in the script used.

another reason is that, the map shows languages like Kui and Sambalpuri as widespread languages, however this is only geographical popularity. The pie inclusive of dialects would show that they actually have very small shares of population.

Also, that ruler thing wasnt my edit, someone before me maybe. I only added the linguistic map, and changed the pie.

and thanks for the tip, ill make sure to add Why i made changes henceforth, instead of what. — g0d0 ^{talk contribs} 07:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)