Talk:Odet de Coligny

Ambition and piety

In the Protestantism section, anonymous persons are quoted (though the link is broken, so the actual statement can't be checked): "some said it to be little surprise since his long church career was more motivated by ambition than piety." Now, first of all, are ambition and piety bipolar opposites, so that one can use a sliding scale to determine Chatillon's position? Secondly, Chatillon didn't really have a church career; he obtained sources of income (benefices), every one of them, including the Cardinalate, at the hands of the King of France. He was a courtier, with a political career. Thirdly, what would be his ambition directed toward, for him to abandon all his wealth and his social position? To be the Supreme Protestant of France? The quotation seems to me to be POV anti-Calvinist. --Vicedomino (talk) 01:30, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Also: why does the article continue to call him a cardinal after he had been stripped of the title. If used at all, it should be "ex-cardinal." Or better his secular titles, until stripped of those, or after that his given and surname. The current usage is misleading. After his demotion and excommunication he is not a cardinal, even in an honorary sense.

Becket's bones

The last sentence in the text reads: "One conspiracy theory relates that since Coligny not being high-ranking enough for permanent burial in this important part of the cathedral, the tomb in fact contains the hidden relics of Thomas Becket from his nearby shrine (dissolved 40 years earlier), Coligny's body having been returned to France or never in fact laid to rest here. This theory is not, however, accepted by historians." The fact is that Chatillon's body was not intended for permanent burial in Trinity Chapel, but was to be returned to France when circumstances permitted (i.e when the Wars of Religion were done). That he wasn't of sufficiently high rank is absurd. The text is unsourced. It appears (so far as I can find) to derive from an attempted burglary of Canterbury Cathedral in 1990, and comes from the mouths of the burglars. They were looking for Becket's bones in Coligny's tomb because they knew that Coligny had not died in England but had returned to France secretly. Such a statement is completely contrary to the documentary evidence. Since the theory is not accepted by historians, is contrary to the facts, is dotty even for conspiracy theories, and is unsourced, I propose to delete it entirely. --Vicedomino (talk) 23:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

August 2016. No one has replied or commented. I am still considering deletion. --Vicedomino (talk) 07:52, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

October 2016. Two more months having passed without reply or comment, I have deleted the passage. I note again that it is unsourced, and that it contradicts known facts. --Vicedomino (talk) 16:22, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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