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On 19 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Northeastern China. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Northeast China[edit]

Some idiots just can't distinguish the difference between "Manchuria" and "Northeast China"!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dongbei (talk • contribs) .

Dongbei, you " Chinese communist fool" if your brainwashed by your government fine its your problem. Do not preach your " Chinese communist ideology" to free world. What your saying is that manchuria isn't part of northeast china??? Your one big stupid fool. Your truly " Dongbei"!!

Northeast China is a part of Manchuria. Also, do WP:AGF and be civil to one another. — LlywelynII 09:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Definition outdated[edit]

The definition of Dongbei to only include the three provinces is outdated! According to current definition, it includes the 5 eastern prefectures (leagues) of Inner Mongolia! I don't have time to rewrite the whole article, but someone should take care of this, please. --Shenhemu (talk) 03:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone (you) should cite an official source to that effect. Northeastern China including sections of Inner Mongolia and Hebei is the outdated idea. That's the territory of the Qing districts and the Japanese puppet state of Manchuria, not the modern area. Although it's possible someone in the gov't wants to go back to using that definition, it seems unlikely and very unknown. Everyone in Shanghai who uses the term 东北 is only talking about those three provinces, sometimes without even intending Liaoning or Jilin since Harbin is so much more popular with tourists. — LlywelynII 09:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Manchuria[edit]

Korean people really do have a Napoleon Complex. They are a still and divided country today yet they dare have the audacity to demand land from their giant neighbor China? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.4.46.67 (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dongbei, like this " Thick headed chinese communist nationalist". You chinese should always keep in mind 1.2 billion chinese still live under " Communist Umbrella". Your government lie and hide true historical facts. You should always keep in mind Korguryo, Balhe ( Koreans) established thier kingdoms along before Manchus or ( Han) chinese put together. Thats the fact. If all Chinese nationalist cannot digest true historical facts. Then its your personal mental problem not the Koreans.

Northeast China belongs to China today....GET OVER IT!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.119.176 (talk) 03:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Wall that divides China and Manchuria is Chinese history. China can claim Tibet or Manchuria ( Northeast china) as part of China. In reality ( History, Culture, Race etc) Northeast China was never part of China. China always has vague understanding about Northeast China because they built Great Wall to divide the regions. Whereas Korea has much more stronger claim of this region because it has much more historical and cultural claim. Korean history began from Manchuria or Northeast part of Asian Continent. Dongbei is perfect example of " Thick Headed Chinese".

It seems as though China is always getting criticism for her current territory. I find it amusing because most of these criticisms really do nothing but serve the political agenda of the protestors. Ask yourselves why should the PRC even care? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.116.20 (talk) 23:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some of these Korean nationalists really need to get a clue. Need you guys be reminded that the Korean peninsula is still a divided state today? Claiming outside territory should not exactly be the top of your priorities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.223.58.178 (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you are talking about, my family has lived in this region for generations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I hear any objections, I will restore the reference to Manchuria in the first paragraph of this article. Please refer to User talk:Zhang Qiang for more info on the discussion or respond here. I hope we can come to an agreement. --Niohe 20:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Manchuria, before being the 'territory' of the Chinese or the Koreans, is home to the Manchus. It is the PRC's objective to assimilate these people so they can incorporate Manchurian history into Northeastern Chinese history, therefore disregarding all former Jurchen/Manchu dynasties. It is the Han Chinese brainwashing to establish a sinocentric imperialism within their nation. However, before all that, it must be considered that Manchuria belongs to the Manchus rather than the Chinese.-dd

This comment makes no sense. Was there something going on in the edit summaries to the page?

In any case, "Manchuria" is a Latin name referencing the Jurchens and their friends and has nothing whatsoever to do with historical Koreans, let alone modern revanchism or territorial claims. It belongs in the article as a WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name for the region, although Chinese distaste for the name should be mentioned and its article linked.

As for the very misinformed commenter(s) to you above, unable to even post their name(s), the ancient Han territory in traditional China proper (which was always expanding as colonists and assimilation added new peoples to the old anyway) has nothing to do with the modern multiethnic Chinese state. Even if "the Korean people" had a claim to the territory (which they very much don't), Chinese Koreans are already an official ethnicity within China and would just get a autonomous region within the Chinese state (which itself could never remotely happen unless began breeding so prodigiously they became an overwhelming majority in a territory where they're presently something like 1% of the population). — LlywelynII 09:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Northeast China[edit]

Stop changing Northeast China to northeastern China in the article. Can't see the name of this article is Northeast China? Manchurial is a pish. It shouldn't be indicated here. Snle 16:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the reverts to northeastern China, I hope you will like this version. As to whether Manchuria should be referred to or not, I invite you to a discussion. Please state your arguments. --Niohe 18:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see Manchuria is already listed in the see also section. There is no need use it again in the article. Zhang Qiang 19:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure there is. It's a WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name for this region and must be included and bolded. It's fine to link to the discussion at Manchuria about Chinese distaste for the term, however, or discuss it briefly here and point there for more in-depth discussion. — LlywelynII 09:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NOT "Northeastern" China[edit]

It's Northeast China, not Northeastern China. Northeast China is a very specific geographical location of China, and refers only to three provinces of China. This is the same as East China and North China. --Naus 06:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is English. Those are completely interchangeable terms. Either can be (and more importantly is) used to translate 东北. Similarly, it's perfectly valid to say that Beijing is in northeast China. — LlywelynII 09:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

help from other editors[edit]

There is a poll at this link and we are requesting other editors to join our discussion regarding the name. Good friend100 01:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment[edit]

This was commented out in the text:

I agree with the editor who took it out that it's off topic. This isn't an article on the Chinese characters 关东: It's an article on Northeast China in English, which doesn't use the Mandarin pronunciation of the Japanese characters to talk about Kanto or refer to Korean schools. On the other hand, it shouldn't be commented out. It should just be removed. — LlywelynII 12:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:North China which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 17:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]