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Expedition to Cueva de los Tayos[edit]

As well as the North Pole expedition, he was involved with a 1976 exploration mission of this Ecuadorian cave. Read a bit more about it here: Scroll down to the heading '1976 BCRA expedition'. It probably should be listed on his wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Man on the moon[edit]

I have also heard and read that Neil Armstrong was the first "Man" on the moon. Is it political correctness that the first sentence reads first "Person" on the moon?Eschoryii (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC) I just checked the original article and he was named as the "first man on the moon" in 2004. I have answered my own question. Eschoryii (talk) 23:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Early sources used "man" because at the time astronauts were almost exclusively male, and the idea of a woman as the first person on the moon was not considered to be a credible possibility. Back then the terms "first man on the moon" and "first person on the moon" would have had the same meaning in practice. However, Armstrong's fame derives from him being the first person on the moon. If he had been the first man but 4th person, he'd be far less well known. Today female astronauts are much more common, so using "first man on the moon" would be confusing because readers might be left wondering whether there were women on the moon before him. Presenting clear information is more important than using the original terminology. Gap9551 (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The word "mankind" refers to all of humans without reference to male or female gender. First man on the moon means first person on the moon without a gender meaning. Saying Armstrong was the first person on the moon does not sound correct or comply with all the headlines and history on the subject. Anyway... Eschoryii (talk) 19:59, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Man" commonly refers to a male human, see our own article on the subject, for example. If the first person on the moon had been a woman, it would not be correct to say "She was the first man on the moon". Gap9551 (talk) 06:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But see Man_(word) (talk) 10:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just a note to remind that Moon is a proper name, and correctly uppercased on Wikipedia. "Man", biblically (Genesis 5:2), refers to both sexes, male man and female man, but that is neither here nor there. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So when a woman does eventually set foot on the Moon there'll be no need to specifically note the point. She'll just be the 22nd - or whatever - person on the Moon. (talk) 10:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well that will be just one small step for a woman. But one giant leap for gender equality... and maybe also racial equality? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC) ... if you know what I meanReply[reply]
Ah, so selection not based on merit then. (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fair point. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Eschoryii@Gap9551 2601:3C3:8284:1250:AC19:F94A:9A89:9A0B (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This seems a bit of a moot point since the sentence "Armstrong was the first man on the Moon" is correct no matter which way we read it:

  • Back then, "man" would most certainly have been considered to be a generic term in the sense of "mankind" or "human being" or "person". It's anachronistic to read this any other way.
  • If we take "man" in the sense of "a male person", the sentence would still be true. The only difference is that if he was the first male person on the Moon, there could have been a woman who beat him to it. Grammatically speaking.

-- (talk) 07:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update link of note 12[edit] Tiziodcaio (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2022[edit]

Suggest change opening sentence from:

"Neil Alden Armstrong (August 5, 1930 – August 25, 2012) was an American astronaut, aeronautical engineer, and the first person to walk on the Moon."


"Neil Alden Armstrong (August 5, 1930 – August 25, 2012) was an American astronaut and aeronautical engineer, and the first person to walk on the Moon."

The current version does not read correctly to me, in terms of sentence structure. 2A00:23C8:7B09:FA00:34B8:317D:26FD:F168 (talk) 10:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done since third item in the list is not an occupation; better readability. Thank you for the request. ★Ama TALK CONTRIBS 20:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neil armstrong nationality[edit]

Neil armstrong was had an american and scottish descent His father from american and his mother from scottish (talk) 12:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Armstrong's mother, Viola Louise Engel Armstrong, was born in Ohio. Both of her parents were born in Ohio. Armstrong's father and both of his parents were born in Ohio. The surnames in Neil's ancestry include Engel, Koenig, Katter and Korspeter. Those are not Scottish surnames.Cullen328 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Clan Armstrong is originally from Scotland. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 16:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes but, you see, "some" people marry outside their ethnic origins. In some cases their last name was simply retained from a minority of their ancestry which actually happens all the time. In the case of Armstrong, 3 quarters of his ancestry was..German. Of the remaining quarter, he was mixed with Scottish, "Scots-Irish", English and Welsh. If there is a good reason why "Scots-Irish" should be singled out as one of Armstrong's main ancestries (which it wasn't) it's not because the Belfast Telegraph wrote about it. The Belfast Telegraph will sniff out the faintest drop of Ulster blood in any prominent American and style the individual an "Ulsterman" for publicity purposes. They are ethnic chauvinists when it comes to this stuff.
I'm actually in favour of removing his ancestries from the bio. They've got nothing to do with his notability and two of the ancestries listed were inappropriately selected. He's American, his parents were American, and he should thus be listed as American. Jonathan f1 (talk) 23:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2022[edit]

There is no mention of Armstrong's opposition to Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) and Commercial Crew Development (CCDev) when he testified to the US Congress in 2010. Gene Cernan, who testified alongside Armstrong expressed the same concerns as Armstrong. This is mentioned in Cernan's Wikipedia article. There should be at least an entry noting Armstrong's opposition to CRS and CCDev. CoachDad57 (talk) 04:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SpinningCeres 01:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2022[edit]

Is there anyway to add Armstrongs status as an Eagle Scout? (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You mean the bit in the article where it says; He was an active Boy Scout and earned the rank of Eagle Scout? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]