Talk:Mount Eerie (album)

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GA preperation[edit]

As requested by Mcguy15, I'm going to issue some comments on the article. DMT biscuit (talk) 16:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • The mentions of Mount Eerie (artist) and Pt. 6 & Pt. 7, although having articles, still need citations in this article.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • "Described by Elverum as being about "[mountains, earth and space]" - Needs citation
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • "eventually dying in the second-last track." - Needs citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • Mention of drones needs citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
 Done all Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 17:08, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recording[edit]

  • "Elverum attempted to write down all of his ideas for the album prior to recording the album. He ended up creating a chart of elements which created an outline for what later became "I. The Sun" and the start of "II. Solar System". This chart included lyrics, instruments, and moods." - Needs citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)

M&L[edit]

  • "For the purposes of this section, "Elverum" refers to Phil Elverum, the musician; while "Phil" refers to the character Phil from the album, who attempts to climb Mount Eerie." - Needs citation.
 On hold This isn't a fact—I added it as a note for clarity to distinguish from the character and the artist. I could source the media notes, because that's how he distinguishes himself and the character there.Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 18:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Move the reception table to the reception section.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • "Terrifyingly" - It's subjective and written in a non-encyclopedic manner.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • "In the loneliness, the music becomes bare. With the vulture's cawing and the hissing of the wind slowly subsiding, the track ends." - Needs citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • "A "ghostly chorus" – similar to the one used on "III. Universe" – is present, along with a "titanic bass drum". With that, Phil's journey ends." - needs citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)

Reception[edit]

  • Metacritic needs a citation.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • RateYourMusic is not permitted due to being user-generated. AnyDecentMusic? is another music aggrate source that is permitted.
 Done Adding that was a bit of WP:IAR but in retrospect a bad idea. I can't find the album at AnyDecentMusic so I've removed the phrase. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 18:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dlugacz's spelling of Elverum isn't false; that version is his birthname, adding the e around this time.
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
  • This section can be expanded.
 ToDo Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)

Personnel[edit]

  • Needs citation(s)
 ToDo Mcguy15 (talk, contribs)
Genuinely can't find anything! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done After a bunch of digging, the credits are listed on the vinyl. Someone took was able to take a picture which is amazing! I'll source this similar to Headwaters Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

Sources are all fine, per GA standards.

Conclusion[edit]

The article has been improved rather well, but is short of GA status. Some more time and it should be there - hope these general comments helped. DMT biscuit (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! These comments are thorough and extremely useful. I'll continue fixing the rest soon! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 18:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion[edit]

Hey! Happy to see this article at GA. Just a suggestion I had: A picture of Mount Erie with a caption along the lines of: "The album's narrative centres around the album's namesake, pictured above." DMT biscuit (talk) 18:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I was just thinking that the lead could be expanded. In particular, I think a summarization of R&B, Release and Reception would be beneficial. DMT biscuit (talk) 09:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Helpful Citations[edit]

Some cites that could be helpful.DMT biscuit (talk) 18:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Grandy, Eric (April 10, 2008). "Searching for the Source of the Microphones' Masterpiece". The Stranger.
  • Alexander, Colin; Benton, Dave (September 10, 2013). "A very Spook Houses guide to The Microphones reissues". Impose.
  • Nichols, Ryan (March 11, 2009). "Interview: Phil Elverum (The Microphones/Mount Eerie)". Beats Per Minute.
  • Stosuy, Brandon (July 1, 2009). "Phil Elverum on Six of His Songs". Believer Magazine.
  • Gormley, Ian (November 5, 2018). "Microphones, Mount Eerie and Melancholy: The Career of Phil Elverum". Exclaim!.
  • https://lifeoftherecord.com/#/the-microphones/

ATT[edit]

Just to note, all quotes need to be attributed, ie say who said/wrote them...eg removed "cinematically" here[1] as was not clear who was describing the opening song in that way. Nice work otherwise. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Wetrorave (talk · contribs) 18:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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This reminds me that I need to listen to some Elverum record—I'm getting into underground/experimental after I've listened to the Caretaker's Everywhere at the End of Time and this guy's A Crow Looked at Me seems just as emotional as Kirby's series.

I would check out It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water then The Glow Pt. 2, and Mount Eerie in release order. They are each amazing albums and do connect in some ways. EATEOT freaks me out a bit too much I think! Also, I still haven't gotten around to hearing A Crow Looked at Me maybe too sad for me but I've heard great things! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, EATEOT is a hard (and extremely long) listen but does have an incredible emotional reward in the last five minutes. Maybe that's why my GA nomination of it has been unanswered for nearly two months now—even the article for the album is long. I also though that A Crow may be too sad for a second but I think I'll do well. Ambient music in general is a genre I'm really getting into, and I heard that GY!BE has some ambient elements. Wetrorave (talk) 21:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GY!BE is pretty darn great. It's not entirely ambient, but Virgins by Tim Hecker is one of my favourite albums of all time and has a decent amount of ambient / drone. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 01:11, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • "by American band" > "by American rock band"
  • "is named after Mount Erie" > "is named after the mountain Mount Erie"
  • "including receiving" > "including accolades such as" to avoid repetition of 'receive'
  • "has been described by Elverum as being about "[mountains, earth and space]"." - why does the quote need square brackets
  • "The Glow Pt. 2, the" > "The Glow Pt. 2 (2001), the"
  • "After it's release" > "After its release"
  • Experimental rock is mentioned in the infobox but not in the text—experimental is acceptable only if the album marks a radical departure from the authors' past discography
    All above  Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording[edit]

  • Move the image to the right side of the page in order to avoid sandwiching of text on 4:3 screens
     Comment: The only way I could think to fix this without having the chart img 2 sections down was to move the Alternative cover to the Release section, making the infobox shorter and preventing sandwiching. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image's caption: add "Pictured:" in the beginning
  • "named after Mount Erie" > "is named after the mountain Mount Erie" like in the lead
  • "As Elverum explains," > "Elverum explained that"
  • "concludes The Glow Pt. 2" > "concludes The Glow Pt. 2 (2001)" like in the lead
  • ""My Warm Blood"[7] using" > ""My Warm Blood",[7] using" with the comma
  • "that concludes "My Warm Blood"" > "found in the conclusion of that song" to avoid repetition of the song's name
  • "the heat, the presence of the sun, and the "menacing" atmosphere" > "the state's 'menacing' atmosphere" for quicker readability, + wikilink Florida to Florida
  • "the soundtrack of Black Orpheus" > "the soundtrack of the Brazilian film Black Orpheus (1959)"
  • "further 2 charts" > "further two charts"
  • Why the hyphen on "late-2001"?
    All above  Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 19:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music and themes[edit]

  • Remove the first paragraph and add it somewhere else as an explanatory note
  • "concept album[2][9][10][11]" - this is citation overkill, remove the least reliable ref + add a comma after "concept album" for the purposes of the next point
  • "and portrays" > "portraying"
  • Remove the Mount Erie wikilink as it has been already linked before
  • "It has been interpreted" > "Adam Dlugacz of PopMatters interpreted"
  • ""heart-like pulse" [...] described the [1] drums" - move ""heart-like pulse"" to [1]
     Not done He calls the drums as a whole having a "heart-like pulse", but the drums "running across the stereo channels" are separate and don't last the entire time. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "timestamps 0:00 to 4:57" > "the track's first five minutes"
  • "the section from 4:57 to 10:42" > "the rest"
     Partly done It would be misleading to say "the rest" because the track goes on for another 7 minutes. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the personification of Death" > "a personification of Death"
  • "the liner notes written" > "the liner notes written" with the ln wikilink
    All above  Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release[edit]

  • "material for Dawn." > "material for Dawn (2008)."
  • "including Mount Eerie, due to" - why is the comma like that
    All above  Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

  • "aggregate Metacritic." > "aggregate Metacritic, indicating "generally favorable reviews"."
     On hold I feel like this wording unnecessarily reiterates the opening line of "Mount Eerie received generally positive reviews from critics". Open to move the metacritic mention to another sentence though, thoughts? Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Phares of Allmusic" > "Phares of AllMusic"
     Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion[edit]

Add the source code of the following quote to the source code of the page (without the blockquote template, of course), after Adam Duglacz' opinion:

Stylus Magazine's Ed Howard wrote that Mount Eerie makes listeners "get to travel with him [Elverum] into the uncharted next ocean of Microphones territory."[1] A guest writer of Tiny Mix Tapes, who gave the album a perfect score, felt that "Elvrum on record is the same Elvrum in reality", and that "it's nice to know that Elvrum is lucid on both sides."[2]

And, at the source code of the Album ratings template, change "rev4Score = B<ref>" to "rev4Score = B<ref name="stylus" >"

 Done Thank you! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing[edit]

  • Good

Personnel[edit]

Add a ref—e.g. "Adapted from liner notes.22" using the template that is wikilinked in the number of the ref example I've given

 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release history[edit]

  • Good

References[edit]

  • Add archive-urls to all refs that are used more than three times—add this to all the refs if you wish, but it'll take some time if you do it this way
 Done Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference stylus was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference tmt was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

External links[edit]

  • Good

Overall[edit]

 On hold until issues are fixed; I see that you needed an expansion at the Reception section, so I did it here, as a way to help ya. I'm not sure if the article's broad enough but again, I'm not that much of an Elverum fan. Wetrorave (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wetrorave: Thanks so much for the review! Everything should be done now, unless you disagree on some of the changes I didn't do. In terms of broadness, if you have concerns, feel free to air them. I'm not against adding / expanding sections before you approve. Thank you Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mcguy15: Seems overall good now. After a Google search I think this article is broad as well, and the things you didn't do are totally reasonable, so yeah.
Congrats on your work, and ✓ Pass this one. Wetrorave (talk) 21:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much :D Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 21:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't actually seem like the bot is gonna put the {{Good article}} template, so I'll do it. Wetrorave (talk) 23:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that the the Microphones's 2003 album Mount Eerie uses different people and vocal styles to represent distinct, individual characters? Source: [2]
    • ALT1:... that "I. The Sun" from the album Mount Eerie was heavily inspired by the soundtrack of the 1959 Brazilian film Black Orpheus? Source: [3]

Improved to Good Article status by Mcguy15 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Can we state that Mount Eerie is an album in the hook pls (prefer first hook). Also to note, the article was promoted to GA on 17th June, and certainly meets the GA criteria.Ceoil (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have touched up the first hook (distinct, individual characters). Earwig @ 34.2%, but mostly from quotes cited to The Quiteus. I followed the GA nom. GTG. Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ceoil: Thanks, one thing though. "voices" was changed to "vocal styles", that isn't exactly the case though. In the album, separate people are used for different characters, as well as different characters from Phil (e.g. Close Dark Voice). So while saying "vocal styles" is technically correct, it's a bit misleading. My original "voices" isn't great either, and a little misleading too sorry!. I've changed it to "people and vocal styles", let me know your thoughts! I also fixed the album released date erroneously being 2013. :) Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 22:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, here is the Pitchfork quote used to source the hook. "Each track serves as a piece in Mount Eerie's continuous, linear story, and many of Elvrum's friends assume roles as the primary cast of characters"
Am good with last update to hook.[4] Ceoil (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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