Talk:Lavrentiy Beria

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"The House on Nikitski Pereulic" / Texas Escapes source[edit]

I'm going to go ahead and open a discussion on this. In short, source [73] is an article on the website which primarily details supernatural occurrences. These details should be extremely noteworthy if the source cited is a trustworthy one. If it is not trustworthy, then I would like to remove the sentence which cites it. Alternatively, if someone can find a better source for that sentence then we should absolutely change the source out. These are my thoughts on this. Albert Mond (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Went onto the website from what I've read on the website and online *(there's barely anything)* hes a paranormal "historian" who lists zero sources, claims to have seen hundreds of ghost and ufos, and has written a book titled *True tales of haunted Russia" which features two completely different people as author pictures? I'm removing this source immediately. Don't add it back. OPArclight (talk) 01:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry but OPArclight is right and this is nonsense. Ceoil (talk) 01:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Animal Farm reference?[edit]

In the Television section it is states that Pincher from animal farm represents Beria.

  1. im really not sure he does
  2. the section references film, so this should be in the film section
  3. pincher is a character in the novel animal farm, so surely this should be in literature

DParkinson1 (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

extensive revision of article needed[edit]

sources cited in article are very poor, with some like those from american newspapers, like washington post, are in turn making claims based on mostly anonymous sources, that have not been confirmed from any other source, even though years have passed since newspaper articles. this is yet another typical example of total failure of wikipedia to be a reliable source of information. properly sourced extensive revision of article needed to rectify this. 2402:4000:2381:29EF:48DB:50BF:A506:2 (talk) 16:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This has come up several times in the past (here, here and here), but the current version of the the article seems weighted too heavily toward Beria's sexual predation. Specifically, the "Sexual predation" section is too long relative to the rest of the article (e.g. it is nearly as long as the "Head of the NKVD" section) considering its relative importance. A perusal of the article introduction summarizes the numerous notable activities of Beria, while not mentioning his sexual predation at all. Ending the article with extensive tabloid-like section detracts from what is otherwise a decent article, and downplays the more heinous of Beria's offenses (e.g. administration of the gulags, ordering of the Katyn massacre, mass deportations, other sundry purges and killings), each of which merits only a sentence or two in the article.

However, as Wikipedia is well-served by coverage of the predation topic (which could even be expanded), simply deleting material from the section is not ideal. Should consideration be made of splitting the bulk of this section into a subtopic article per WP:SPINOFF as is done for other major figures (cf. Donald Trump's threat for the destruction of Iranian cultural sites, Donald Trump and American football) What say ye? Would a subtopic article help balance the current article or would its existence lend undue weight to the topic? —  AjaxSmack  13:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree that the sexual predation section is incongruously long compared with other sections of the article. But it would surely be strange to react to that by creating a spinoff article, thus according the issue even more importance. I would have thought it sufficient to (a) mention the issue in the introduction and (b) trimming the section by say 20% which would still leave it substantial in length. Sbishop (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why "Lavrentiy" and not "Lavrenty"?[edit]

AFAIK, the practice is to transcribe the the -ий ending in Russian first names as "-y". Cf. Дмитрий Медведев - Dmitry Medvedev, Геннадий Зюганов - Gennady Zyuganov, Валерий Герасимов - Valery Gerasimov, Евгений Пригожин - Yevgeny Prigozhin, Афанасий Фет - Afanasy Fet, Прокопий Ляпунов - Prokopy Lypunov etc. etc. These are all people from different centuries and the last one is even from the 17th century. There's even a Georgian communist statesman and a contemporary of Beria who has the same first name as his - Лаврентий Картвелишвили who's transcribed as Lavrenty Kartvelishvili! And another one - Лаврентий Загоскин - Lavrenty Zagoskin. Why isn't this the case in Beria's first name? GreatLeader1945 (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transliteration rules don't apply to peoples' names. Wikipedia follows what reliable English-language secondary sources use. Tchaikovsky, not Chaykovsky. Can you cite sources that support the name "Lavrenty Beria"? 162 etc. (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@162 etc. You didnt get the point. And the example youve given proves my point - the ending has to be in -y, and not -iy. I've requested a technical move. GreatLeader1945 (talk) 09:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please familiarize yourself with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCRUS, which addresses this specifically. 162 etc. (talk) 16:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]