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Redirect[edit]

This shouldn't be a redirect, if anything it should be a dab page. - FrancisTyers 16:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


http://www.buckyogi.com/footnotes/natkl.htm

This article is wel-cited:

Kurdistan, Kingdom of- In 1922, Britain's hold on the Kurdish region of northern Iraq was shaky at best. Rebels moved freely over much of the region, Turkish troops were moving across the border, and Iranian Kurds were flooding in in the aftermath of a failed rebellion against the Shah. In September, the British freed a former rebel leader held in Kuwait, Shaykh Mahmud of Sulaymaniya (a town northeast of Kirkuk), and made him governor of Sulaymaniya. Once in power, Mahmud quickly outstripped Britain's mandate, declaring himself the King of Kurdistan in November. While the British continued military operations against Turkish troops and rebels, Mahmud entered talks with the Turks to establish all of northern Iraq as an independent kingdom under Turkish protection. The British, who had granted autonomy to the Kurds to undermine Mahmud's support, had regained enough control over the situation to declare Mahmud ousted. He fled Sulaymaniya in the beginning of March, 1923, and Sulaymaniya was reoccupied by the British in May. Following the withdrawal of the British garrison, Mahmud re-entered the town in July. Periodic bombing campaigns lasted until May of 1924, and Mahmud fled again, becoming a bandit leader in the mountains of the border region.

Another Kingdom of Kurdistan was declared at Palu in southern Turkey in February of 1925. Following a clash between Turkish policemen and supporters of Palu's Shaykh Said, the Shaykh was forced by continuing riots to declare rebellion. Over the next few weeks, the rebels moved quickly, seizing several nearby towns and declaring a local Kurdish noble King of an independent Kurdistan. By the end of March, the rebels had overrun an area of several hundred square miles. The Turkish government responded belatedly, but halted the rebel advances. The rebellion was swiftly crushed, and Shaykh Said was captured on April 14. Several hundred rebels, including the Shaykh, were executed in the aftermath. Diyako Talk + 17:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know, I wrote it and sourced it originally. :) - Took quite a lot of hunting I can tell you! :) - FrancisTyers 18:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More information[edit]

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SBL/is_18/ai_n13813078

In October 1927, Kurdish leaders of diverse political faiths and affiliations, met in Convention, without Kurdistan, to elaborate a National Pact, and to take necessary steps to realize their national aims. This convention unanimously (a) created The Hoyboon, the supreme national organ, or the Kurdish Government, and, (b) clothed that Government with full and exclusive national and international powers.

The Hoyboon, thereupon, proclaimed, on October 28, 1927, the independence of Kurdistan, as laid down in the Sevres Treaty; designated Kurd Ava, at Egri Dagh, as the provisional capital of Kurdistan, and, by resolution, expressed the friendly sentiments of the Kurdish people for Persia, Armenia, Iraq, and Syria, and their determination to wage relentless war against the Turks--until they had abandoned, in perpetuity, the Kurdish soil, now under their grip.

Kurdish Rebellion in Force

The Kurdish forces were then formed into units of varying sizes, and assigned to certain districts, as follows:

Egri Dagh 2,000 Dersim 5,000 Sassoon 6,000 Chapak-Achan 2,000 Vartan 2,000 Moosh-Bitlis 4,000 Manazguert 1,000 Mazi-Dagh 1,500 Silvan 1,000 24,500

In addition to these formations, which have been put through some necessary changes in personnel and strength since 1925, there are now four other strong mobile units engaged solely in raiding operations.

Following the reorganization of the Kurdish plan of campaign, the first step was the selection of a site for headquarters and Government. Egri Dagh, midway between Persia and the Armenian Republic, was selected. By decisive actions, the Kurdish troops cleared the regions, embracing some 300 villages of Turks, and set up there the headquarters of the Kurdish Government, which has since directed the Kurdish operations, fighting many successful battles against the Turks since 1925.

- FrancisTyers 17:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Eskander, S. (2000) "Britain's policy in Southern Kurdistan: The Formation and the Termination of the First Kurdish Government, 1918-1919" in British Journal of Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 27, No. 2. pp. 139-163.

From Elphinston (1946),

In 1925 Sheikh Said of Piran, assisted by tribal elements from Syria led a revolt in Eastern and Southern Turkey. Turkish reinforcements rushed to the area along the Aleppo-Baghdad railway and crushed the rebellion but not the spirit of revolt.

- FrancisTyers 14:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First Kurdish government. The republic of Ararat is not the first as claimed and disputed. (also before these kingdoms I think there was another Kurdish state???) Diyako Talk + 14:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio[edit]

I removed copyvio text from the page. If you want to use a source, please paraphrase. - FrancisTyers 13:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed more copyvio text. Please please please do not post copyvio text on the page. - FrancisTyers 15:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strange[edit]

Is it me or it is really strange that this article is done better in English than Kurdish? the Kurdish page looks almost like..a redirect page? I would like to know why, thanks --Kash 14:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's new! I wrote it last night despite was very busy. so only created a stub.

Diyako Talk + 14:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick reply, I suggest you keep working on the Kurdi version instead of going around attacking Iranian articles, thank you --Kash 14:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your strange question. But I suggest you do not call other users anti-Iranian. Iran has already its own enemies.Diyako Talk + 14:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Diyako, you are correct Iran has enemies and same with Kurds! however they have never been enemies as far as I know. Please see your talk page about my suggestion to stop your anti-Iranian attacks, Thanks brother --Kash 14:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not call my edits anti-iranian. Your standpoint for the article persian people was not the same as persian wikipedians did in persian wikipedia. Read talk page of persian wikipedia on persian people! There i said the same thing as you claim now. but they all disagreed and instead they moved article persian people to Persian speaking people! Diyako Talk + 14:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brother this is not the place to talk about this, if you have time, I do suggest you get working on Kurdish articles, if you have such special interest in Iranian articles, we are flattered, but please stop creating disputes. About the thing you mentioned here, I am not interested if we have agreed or disagreed, you have clearly given all your argument, so have I, so have all other wikipedians, lets just stop these pointless disputes, anything else, feel free to mention on your or my talk page. Thank you --Kash 14:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical attacks[edit]

The text mentions poison gas attacks in the year 1919. While I don't doubt they actually took place (well, I don't know anything about it myself but I believe you) I do doubt they are relevant for this article: The Kingdoms of Kurdistan existed in the 1920, so there's no temporal overlap with 1919. Can't you find some other place, where they are more pertinent than here? Cheers, --DerHerrMigo 13:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is somewhat doubtful that they did. At the time gas was only really effective against fixed unmoveing oponets. Secondaly there is [this http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/iraq/britain_iraq_07.shtml]Geni 09:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the following In the 1990s, William Waldegrave, who was in charge of Prime Minister John Major’s Open Government initiative, ordered the removal from the Public Records Office of files detailing how British troops had used poison gas against Iraqi dissidents including Kurds in 1919.[1]

this is because Major's open government initiative commenced in 1994(see http://www.opengovjournal.org/article/view/994/792) so it is not possible for Chormsky to have referred to it in 1992. If there is a true source please provide itBacknumber1662 (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Chomsky, N. (1992), Deterring Democracy. New York: Hill and Wang. pp. 181-182.

Sheikh Said[edit]

Sheikh Said's revolt is stated led to a short lived Kurdish kingdom..this is not true, it was never a kingdom and Sheikh Said never proclaimed himself king nor a kingdom.

This as opposed to Sheikh Mehmud who was crowned as king of Kurdistan in Silémaní Also I don't see the point of having a section about Sheikh Said as the two revolt movements were not exactly related to one another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.46.41 (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Southern/Lower Kurdistan[edit]

The kingdom that was established was never called "Kingdom of Kurdistan" but rather Kurdistani Xwarú which translates to Lower Kurdistan or Southern Kurdistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.149.247 (talk) 22:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Map[edit]

See [1] - a contemporary map with a larger area than shown in this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:46, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Kurd[edit]

Kurdistan dhsjjs diisue dhdueu MusaMahmudov (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdistan king[edit]

Kurdistan kingdom sjushsxshhs talk MusaMahmudov (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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