Talk:John Shalikashvili

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Much of this is based upon the excellent article in the Peoria Journal Star. http://www.pjstar.com/services/special/legacyproject/shalikashviliindex.html—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpbrody (talk • contribs) 23:39, 20 January 2004.

Shalikashvili and Naziism[edit]

I came here hoping to find objective information on John M. Shalikashvili's possible Nazi ties and feelings on Naziism... guess I came up short. Anyone out there who knows, please share.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.165.163.246 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 7 January 2005.

It doesn't appear by Shali's bio that he would have any Nazi ties. However, I do find bios for Clinton yes-men like Shali to be more extensive in Wikipedia than those of their predecessor or successors. 69.58.249.133 08:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then don't sit there and complain - edit the articles you think fall short of complete coverage. --Nobunaga24 05:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His father, a former Cavalry Captain of the polish army, Shalikashvili, joined the German Wehrmacht for a reason many Polish and Ukrainian officers also joined: fighting the sovjets, but not because they wished to become Nazis. It was an act of revenge against the mass exodus of Polish and Georgian officers after the joint Axis-Sovjet invasion of Poland. I don't jave a clue why people come up with "Shalikashvili's possible Nazi ties". That's redicilious. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 19:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MILHIST Assessment[edit]

I'm hoping that there is room for expansion here; but I shall give you B-class on account of the pretty full-color photographs, the quote, and the shiny navboxes. Nice work. LordAmeth 11:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

incorrect "fact"[edit]

Shalikashvili is NOT "the only immigrant in United States history to become a general of the United States Army. Carl Schurz, fore example, immigrated from Germany and became a general during the Civil War. See the Wikipedia entry on Carl Schurz. 71.251.237.201 (talk) 00:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the only foreigner as 4 star general and Chief of Staff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.196.53.215 (talk) 10:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the modern U.S. Army, a General denotes a four-star General Officer (GO). In conversation and greetings, all GOs (1 to 4-star) are addressed as "General" but when referring to a GO's rank as General it actually means a four-star. Sames goes for Air Force and Marine Corps GOs. For Navy and CG, the equivalent is "Admiral" and the address and conversant title is Admiral. Ulysses Grant was given four stars after the war as "General of the Army of the United States" along with Phillip Sheridan and William Sherman. See the Wikipedia article on "General of the Armies." Hope this clarifies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.81.82 (talk) 19:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"General Shalikashvili is the only foreign-born to reach the rank of four-star General in the U.S. Army"

Maybe this phrase should be changed into:

"General Shalikashvili is the only foreign-born to serve as Chairman of Joint Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army"

TheMightyGeneral (talk) 07:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

incorrect terminology[edit]

Shalikashvili is not an "immigrant" or a "foreigner", he is a US citizen which is a requirement for a commission in the US military, the correct term is foreign-born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.222.229 (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he was an immigrant. Immigrants may become naturalized citizens, but they remain immigrants, not Americans by birth. Notably, of course, General Shalikashvili was a legal immigrant -- nobody's comparing him to sneaks-across-the-border. Firstorm (talk) 01:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect from Shakashvili[edit]

For some reason Shakashvili redirects here – I have no idea why. I was looking for the President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili and the Wikipedia searchbox auto-fill-in directed me here. I am not going to move the redirect someplace else. I have placed a {{Redirect}} on the article. Please do not remove it until the possible issues with the redirect are solved. It would be helpful if Kober (talk · contribs) avoided this issue. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Petri, sorry I didn't see the talk page of the redirect until after redirecting it to Saakashvili, as Google searches indicate it is a common mispelling of the current Georgian president's name, [1] for example. None of them are mispelling of this article subjects name. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 18:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are right about the most common usage. I have found that the simplest way to translate strange foreign words is to use Google image search. The same works for this case also: Shakashvili
However, there must be some reason why the redirect was created here in the first place, maybe an army inside joke. Besides I liked the hat text, seeing the two names side-by-side helps readers in memorizing the English language spelling for both. (In Finnish this would be Saakašvili.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Passed away July 23, 2011 per his wife Joan76.2.2.96 (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)Cousin Sally Sprague[reply]

Why include Georgian version of his name?[edit]

I'm not sure I see a valid reason for including the Georgian version of John Shalikashvili's name in the lead sentence. Per WP:UEIA, an article "should list all frequently used names by which its subject is widely known"; I'm wondering here if there is valid evidence (per reliable sources, of course) that John Shalikashvili was in fact "widely known" by a Georgian form of his name. Since he was born in Poland, later moved to the USA, and (as best I can tell) never lived in Georgia, it's not obvious to me that anyone other than his family would have known or referred to him by this name. I do realize Shalikashvili was descended from Georgian nobility, but in the absence of anything saying that he sought (or that others sought for him) any status or recognition on account of his ancestry, I'm not convinced that it's an issue. What do others think? — Richwales 20:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a valid reason not to. The name's Georgian, even of old noble branch, He was Georgian by birth and also openly acknowledged that when visiting the country of his parents during the high point of his military career. With your logic, that practice should be prohibited concerning the majority of articles on wikipedia. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 19:18, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Combat Infantryman Badge?[edit]

When was Shalikashvili awarded the CIB?

He was an Artillery officer for most of his career and thus not eligible due to the Infantry restriction. By the time he was commanding an Infantry Division he was a major general and thus ineligible for the CIB as it is not authorized to those over the rank of colonel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.94.226 (talk) 09:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Shali Center"[edit]

I'm missing the fact that the USAREUR Mission Command Center is named after him - see http://www.eur.army.mil/news/2012/features/06082012-mission-command-center-unveiling.htm and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shali_Center Don't know where to put it, though. 178.250.161.251 (talk) 08:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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