Talk:John F. Kennedy

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Former good article nomineeJohn F. Kennedy was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
On this day... Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 8, 2005Peer reviewReviewed
November 17, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 29, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
August 3, 2016Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on May 29, 2017.
Current status: Former good article nominee

Length[edit]

At nearly 19k words of readable prose, this article is too long to read and navigate comfortably. See WP:TOOBIG. Detailed content should be condensed or moved to subarticles. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's too long to read, but no one seriously proposes that articles are read from top to bottom. I see no problem navigating -- that's what a TOC is for. EEng 21:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tbh just use a text to speech reader Weegie69 (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote[edit]

John Kennedy redirects to this page, even though that title does not unambiguously John F. Kennedy, with the junior Senator from Louisiana coming up first for that search term in Google at the present. As such, at the very least, I think we should include a link to John Neely Kennedy in the hatnote, and I'd argue that moving John Kennedy (disambiguation) to John Kennedy would be a sensical move as well.

Is there any consensus for this change? Peter L Griffin (talk) 20:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The DAB link currently used at in the referral note contains each of these men among other John Kennedys, thus helping minimize clutter at the top of this page, and that search bit might be a case of WP:Recentism. The other guys you mention either way have nowhere near as much historical fame as the president here and he remains the primary topic for that name. I would guess the second most famous one is his son JFK Jr., and the others don't even come close. Chances are any attempt to move the page would be quickly rejected as a result. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point, but I disagree. There is no doubt that JFK is clearly more historically famous and relevant than Sen. Kennedy of Louisiana. But JFK is most commonly known as "John F. Kennedy" -- he is referred to this way so commonly that by just merely saying "John Kennedy" one makes a noticeable deviation from the common-name by omitting the "F" that it can plausibly interpreted that the speaker is not referring to JFK (Kennedy of LA is known nationally as just "John Kennedy"). This is why I think John Kennedy is ambiguous; there is a present-day nationally-known figure who goes by that name exactly, and a more prominent historical figure who went by a variation of that. And John Kennedy of LA is no small fish either; in the absence of his presidential doppelgänger, he would have a compelling claim to be the primary subject, as do most U.S. senators.
Since anyone who stumbles upon this page after being redirected from "John Kennedy" could plausibly be looking for the senator, I don't think it is unreasonable at all to link to John Neely Kennedy specifically in the hatnote, rather than to a general DAB page. Peter L Griffin (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I agree the calculus would be different if the 35th potus was known by the common name "John Kennedy". But he's not. The unusual act of removing the F makes Kennedy of Louisiana a plausible target. Peter L Griffin (talk) 21:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's my specific proposal. In the hatnote we already have: "JFK" redirects here. For the airport in New York City with the IATA code JFK, see John F. Kennedy International Airport. For other uses, see JFK (disambiguation).
I think we should use the same format and add this:
"John Kennedy" redirects here. For the United States Senator from Louisiana, see John Kennedy (Louisiana Politician). For other uses, see John Kennedy (disambiguation). Peter L Griffin (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, being commonly referred to with a middle initial doesn't negate how he's easily the most famous Kennedy to have a first name of John. I can't foresee his status as primary topic changing without any other John Kennedys even running for POTUS. It feels odd to single out one specific man when the DAB page already lists him and others with similar names. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since you insist on reverting my edit to the John Kennedy DAB page, I think this hatnote edit here is all the more pressing; with out it, someone would have to read the entire hatnote, click the link, and scroll past 27 other John Kennedies, most of whom are irrelevant and completely marginal characters.
This is a U.S. Senator we're talking about. Imagine if Joe Manchin or Raphael Warnock redirected to another page, you had to find one of three DAB links in the hat note, and scroll past 27 other people before getting to the page about the senator.
Given that we explicitly link to JFK the airport, I don't think linking to John Kennedy the senator is unreasonable in the slightest. Peter L Griffin (talk) 22:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:John Kennedy (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 02:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flight Training in 1944[edit]

John F. Kennedy received flight training in 1944 at the Embry-Riddle Float School. 10 flights prior to soloing a Piper Cub J-3 on floats on his 27th birthday.

ERAU historian solves JFK flight mystery - AOPA https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/may/30/erau-historian-solves-jfk-mystery 57.140.48.28 (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 April 2024[edit]

John Freaky Kennedy Johnfreakykennedy (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an acceptable and very good edit 208.118.175.250 (talk) 13:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]