Talk:Hart family murders

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Incident -> murder and crash[edit]

Euphemisms and weasels removed. See e.g. this for RS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hart-family-crash-driver-legally-drunk-fatal-suv-plunge-northern-california-cliff-coroner-inquest-2019-04-03/ Zezen (talk) 08:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How about a more accurate, truthful title?[edit]

Like "Hart family murder-suicide [crash]"? 67.4.86.65 (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plus one for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.120.70 (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Missing posters for three[edit]

Seems like the FBI deleted copies of missing children profiles and posters for all three then-missing Hart children on its website; the posters for Hannah and Cierra Hart were not archived on the Wayback Machine, and Cierra Hart's FBI missing profile page (https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/sierra-maija-hart) was also not archived on the Wayback Machine. However https://www.missingadultskids.com/find-missing-hannah-devonte-n-sierra-hart/ has copies of these WhisperToMe (talk) 05:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://twitter.com/fbimostwanted/status/985986719924109312?lang=bg is still up WhisperToMe (talk) 05:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Harts AMA on Reddit[edit]

Found https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/afxcu7/hi_redditors_this_is_justine_harman_and_liz_egan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app WhisperToMe (talk) 07:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Evaluation[edit]

Article has good amount of sources, and most of the information appears to be correct. The first paragraph of the 'background' section could be improved, especially the first sentence using the word "originated" twice. Most of the information is relevant to the article, and an unbiased tone is conveyed. Good use of wiki links. The article overall is pretty general, possibly due to a lack of evidence about the event itself. LycomingO360 (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LycomingO360: The police got more evidence than one would think as the car had a "black box". WhisperToMe (talk) 06:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Hart family murders[edit]

The article should be renamed to *Hart family murders*. The current title makes you think it was just an accident when it was in fact first-degree murder. --87.123.180.112 (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, or possibly "Hart family homicides".--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BLP note[edit]

The foster daughter abandoned by the Harts stated in the Lonely Harts podcast that she wishes to remain anonymous https://www.glamour.com/story/broken-harts-episode-2-full-transcript so editors should not post her name WhisperToMe (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note on details about the personalities of the victims[edit]

The Glamour Magazine official account used in the Reddit AMA with the Broken Harts podcast hosts stated: "Nobody really asks about the kids: who they were, what they liked, [...] only semblance of answers we do have are drawn from Jen's status updates, which are suspect at best."

This means if a published source describes the personality of a child, see if the information comes from Jen Hart's Facebook posts or other social media posts, and if so, that may be considered sketchy information. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

@Jay D. Easy: I am interested in revisiting the removal of the external links here.

Wikipedia:External_links#What to link states that "content proper in the context of the article (useful, tasteful, informative, factual, etc.)" and "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." as articles useful to link. I interpret that as including:

Communiques from relevant government officials (in this case the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office, which investigated this murder, and from Minnesota's CPS)
Legal documents related to court cases (in this case it's the removal of custody of three children from their aunt, who later did an interview with a newspaper over how that caused harm to the children)

I also include article collections from relevant newspapers or TV stations. The Broken Harts podcast link is an example of that.

P.S. I also feel that articles should list which media (books, films, television episodes) are based on a true crime event.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation[edit]

Do we need some kind of disambiguation for the title of this page? There is another well-covered family murder case involving the "Hart family" in the UK. I was looking for articles on this British murder case and found this article. It is quite confusing. --saebou (talk) 07:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote added. I don't think a parenthetical disambiguation would be needed at this point unless it is somehow desired that 2016 Spalding shooting be moved to a name close to that of this article. Moving this article to a name with something that serves as WP:NATURALDAB (and turning the current name into a dab page) is probably a better option than adding a parenthetical dab, though I don't know if the 2016 case is high-profile enough to warrant that (the pageviews suggest not). Nardog (talk) 09:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

I have removed the original image of this article, which depicted the children alongside the women who murdered them, with an image of just the six siblings without their murderers. It is disrespectful and unnecessary to show these victims alongside the women who murdered them. If it's prudent to show what the women looked like, an image of just the two of them can be put in another section. rustbeltgelt (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this section [1] about censorship and potentially sensitive images. In a previous edit, not mine, the former image was restored. I can comment further if need be to explain. -- • Apollo468• 22:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]