Talk:Gun violence in the United States

Please update with: "Firearms: the leading cause of years of potential life lost"

It could be added as a brief note to the lead, or to a new section such as "Deaths" that has Suicides and Homicides as subsections, or to a new section such as "Years of potential life lost" or something else or multiple of these.

It's currently featured in 2022 in science like so:

A study uses 'years of potential life lost' (YPLL) to show that firearms have become the largest co-cause of traumatic death (or are associated with its causes) in the U.S. in 2017 and 2018 (1.42 M YPLL), slightly more than from motor vehicle crashes. One year earlier, a study suggested the global 'mean loss of life expectancy' (LLE) from all forms of direct violence is about 0.3 years, while air pollution accounts for about 2.9 years.

For comparison and to prevent addition of text that makes it seem like it's leading cause of YPLL in total (especially because the study's title seems to be wrong): according to the table in the YPLL article, cancer caused 8.6 M YPLL in 2006.

References

Prototyperspective (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder how it compares to life-time lost to security theater. —Tamfang (talk) 22:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect math/bad stats, '109 people dying per day from gun violence'

From the first 3 sentences of this wiki topic:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[4] Guns were the leading cause of death for children 19 and younger in 2020.[5] In 2018, the most recent year for which data are available as of 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics reports 38,390 deaths by firearm, of which 24,432 were by suicide.[6][7] The rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day or about 14,542 homicides in total,[8][9][10] being 11.9 per 100,000 in 2018.

"with 109 people dying per day or about 14,542 homicides in total"

109 x 365 = 39785

Obviously there is some type of nuance to the two stats, but nevertheless, it's over doubly incorrect...

I think we should use this source - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm Where:-

All homicides Number of deaths: 24,576 Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.5

Firearm homicides Number of deaths: 19,384 Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.9

19,384/365 = 53

Thus, "with 53 people dying per day or about 19,384 homicides in total"

Or perhaps it is better stated as "with UP TO 109 people dying per day"

Move/rename should be reverted

Much of the article is directed to suicides, which are not covered by the new title "Murder...". Apparently, no discussion took place before this dramatic move/rename. I think the move/rename should be reverted. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@RCraig09: See WP:RMT. You can ask for an undiscussed move to be reverted. Aidan9382 _(talk) 19:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just submitted a request. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

The requested move process is not needed here. I just renamed the article back the way it was (and I'm not an admin). — Mudwater ^(Talk) 19:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mudwater: Thanks. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the whole redirect override with trivial page history thing (WP:MOR), so I wasn't aware how simple it was (just tested on some user pages). I'll keep this in mind for the future. Aidan9382 _(talk) 20:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

New bubble chart without context

First off - once a person reaches 18 years old, they are legally an adult in the United States. Eighteen and nineteen year olds are not children, by definition - yet they are lumped into this statistic. Secondly, it ignores the specifics of the fifteen and up cohort - one of the most violent cohorts in any nation. Who is killing fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen year olds? Other fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen year olds. The chart is significantly misleading, if only due to the fact that it characterizes legal adults as children. The entire "victims" section suffers the same problem. Most of these deaths are gang-related - criminal violence by criminals against other criminals. I believe the chart should be removed until it properly characterizes the cohort. If there isn't data that confines itself to 0-17 year olds, that should be a clue that the data is misrepresenting what common words and law mean, and thus should be approached with caution and skepticism. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 22:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

firearms and race

African American populations in the United States disproportionately represent the majority of firearms injury and homicide compared to other racial groupings.

Would it be less true if the word firearms were omitted? —Tamfang (talk) 22:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

statistic graphic source is unsubstantiated

please correct the source of the 2nd graphic (Venn diagram statistics) due to the problematic source page listed in the bottom of the graph. leads to page not found error page. thanks! 107.77.207.128 (talk) 03:45, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I've found that http://www.davidcolarusso.com/deaths/ works fine, as does its archive https://web.archive.org/web/20230331075548/http://www.davidcolarusso.com/deaths/#.ZCaSBuzP1fE (the #.ZCaSBuzP1fE being added somehow). I think this problem is resolved. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)