Talk:Guglielmo Marconi

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Marconi didn't invent wireless telegraphy, Tesla did[edit]

Proof: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reliable secondary sources? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tesla didn't invent radio as many other stuff he is credited for. Tesla till 1919 didn't even believe in the theories developed by Hertz and Maxwell which are the foundations and the framework of electrical and communication engineering. Radio technology worked perfectly even before the adoption of "Tesla coils", an improvement that Tesla never applied to the field of radio communication. Before Marconi none had thought to use radio waves as a mean of wireless communication. Marconi did it successfully and should get the right recognition he deserves.Magnagr (talk) 23:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia may depend on "reliable" sources, but what if that source itself is incorrect? Jagadish Chandra Bose actually invented the radio before Marconi, but by deception, Marconi took the credit for it. Sorry, I can't provide any "reliable" source for this. Polytope4D (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your point is? Looks like Marconi started off at the bell-ringing stage that Bose was happy to give away, and got radio to the point that you could do non-trivial, non-lecture-hall demonstrations with it. --Wtshymanski (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Until such time as WP:V is changed, if independent reliable sources agree that Marconi invented radio, wrote War and Peace and started a restaurant chain he named after his daughter, Wendy, Wikipedia should report all of those things. Yes, reliable sources are sometimes wrong. If Wikipedia existed prior to 200 BCE, it might have said the world is flat. Life is like that. Learn to adapt. - SummerPhDv2.0 18:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some sources. I don't know if wikipedia considers them reliable:  ;  ;  ; Paul Brenner, Tesla Against Marconi: The Dispute for the Radio Patent Paternity, EUROCON 2009, St. Petersburg.; Christopher A. Harkins. Tesla, Marconi, And The Great Radio Controversy: Awarding Patent Damages Without Chilling A Defendant’s Incentive To Innovate. „Missouri Law Review”. 73, s. 746-816, 2008.; Tapan K. Sarkar: History of wireless. John Wiley & Sons, 2006, s. 93, 98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The first two sources are patents. They are reliable, but they are primary sources. There really isn't much we can take from them, other than basic, |synthesis]]noncontroversial facts requiring no interpretation. So, Tesla held a patent on and "Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy". That doesn't shed any light on the situation, outside of original research and synthesis.
Unfortunately, I'm off intranet for a while, so I don't have library access and cannot see the third source. It's a bit out of my area, but if IEE Review is from IET, I would start with the assumption that it is reliable. - SummerPhDv2.0 15:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This article is a good secondary source that sifts through the controversy. It comes to the conclusion that Tesla did not invent radio. PearlSt82 (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Menace quote[edit]

"Have I done the world good, or have I added a menace?" According to the referenced source, it's speculated that this quote expresses Marconi's regret that his invention was used in WW1. So, I moved the quote down a bit to be in the more relevant section. Although his invention's role in WW1 is somewhat obvious, the article could be improved with specific examples of use, impacts on the outcome, casualties, tactics, etc. It would also help to show any other similar statements of regret from Marconi that might be more direct or elaborate, if any exist. 2600:1700:C7F0:5510:813:BABB:2FC1:9B97 (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The official inventor of Radio is considered to be Tesla not Marconi[edit]

Nikola Tesla is considered to be the inventor of Radio, US patent no. 645,576, System of transmission of electrical energy. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A patent is not a secondary source. Please see above for previous discussion on this issue. PearlSt82 (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How can a registered Patent not be a source when we are discussing about the paternity of such patent?!? --AlexanderFreud (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A patent is a primary source. We need secondary sources. PearlSt82 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tesla’s system to transmit energy-not signals- was a crazy ad unfeasible network of balloons stations in the air above 30,000 feet (9,100 m) in altitude, where he thought the lower pressure would allow him to send high voltages (millions of volts) long distances.
Tesla proposed using huge transformers to blast "electrical impulses of sufficiently-high electromotive force to render elevated air strata conducting, causing, thereby current impulses to pass, by conduction, through the air strata".
The patent specifies massive voltages, starting at 20 to 50 million volts, in order to propel currents via "natural media" conduction.
In addition, he continued to stress that his system did not use radio waves (electromagnetic radiation), which he considered a useless waste product, akin to heat, to be suppressed as much as possible -- "Apart from the transmitting and receiving apparatus the only loss incurred is the energy radiated in the form of Hertzian or electro-magnetic waves which can be reduced to an entirely insignificant quantity."Magnagr (talk) 02:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
US government recognised Radio patent to Tesla post mortem of both Marconi and Tesla; since you-Wikipedians need sources here you have two (I could provide more in case): Margaret CHENEY Tesla · Man Out of Time, Touchstone, USA, 1981 Tesla · Man Out of Time. Müzej Nikole Tesle, Beograd, Serbia (Nikola Tesla Museum). I have been visiting twice Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade, an institution which has been established in 1952 and present-day annually host some 135,000 visitors; the museum guide told me Guglielmo Marconi actually 'stole' 7 patents from Nikola Tesla. As an Italian I would have at least a nationalism reason in consider Marconi as the inventor of Radio; as an Historian of Science as I am I would consider many people contributed to the invention of Radio; Tesla is among them; Marconi basically did the effort to get financial support and take commercial/militar advantage from it. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You've only posted one source here, "Man out of Time", what a tourguide told you personally isn't a source. If you want to make a claim based on that book, please post relevant sections of the text. The US government did not recognize Tesla as the inventor of radio. The US Supreme court decision deals more with John Stone Stone and Oliver Lodge's patents rather than Tesla's. PearlSt82 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose

In November 1894, the Indian physicist, Jagadish Chandra Bose, demonstrated publicly the use of radio waves in Calcutta.--2003:F2:8701:E664:2469:FC97:11E1:8C1C (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lodge did it before him (Jagadish Chandra Bose#Radio research), and neither were interested in radio communication. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JC Bose didn't invented radio but discovered radio waves Obiwana (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]