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Precursor meetings between Hitler and Himmler[edit]

In Albert Speer: His Battle with Truth, Gita Sereny relayed the following anecdote. Christa Schroeder, one of Hitler's secretaries, had an encounter with Heinrich Himmler after one of his long meetings with Hitler:

“I clearly remember a day in 1941, I think it was in early spring,” she said. “I don’t think 1 will ever forget Himmler’s face when he came out after one of his long, ‘under four eyes’ conferences with Hitler. He sat down heavily in the chair on the other side of my desk and buried his face in his hands, his elbows on the desk, ‘My God, my God,’ he said, ‘what I am expected to do.’

“Later, much later,” she said, “when we found out what had been done, I was sure that that was the day Hitler told him the Jews had to be killed.” (Sereny, pp. 248-249).

I think this could make a useful inclusion into the article. It's speculative, of course, but so is much about the the decision-making process -- that's the whole reason for the functionalist-intentionalist debate. Sereny goes on to say that Speer thought that Schroeder's conclusions about the import of the meeting were "highly probable," in her words. Sacxpert (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm making an addition here so there's no edit warring, but an individual's Jewishness isn't only defined in the religious way (Halakha). Like a secular Ashkenazi Jew is still a Jew. Also, other articles on Wikipedia seem to adhere to Jewish ancestry/ethnicity being enough to be described as Jewish. Rhayailaina (talk) 21:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Note 31: reference to wrong translation[edit]

Note 31 contains a link to the English translation of the protocol ( There is at least one error in this translation, see p.11:

"Each individual case must be re-examined, and it is not excluded that the new decision will again be in favor of the Mischlinge").

The orginal reads

"Jeder Einzelfall muss überprüft werden, wobei nicht ausgeschlossen wird, daß die Entscheidung nochmals zu Ungunsten des Mischlings ausfällt".

"Zu ungunsten" is the opposite of "in favor".

A better translation can be found at (from the Gedenk- und Bildungsstätte Haus der Wannsee-konferenz)/ FastLee037 (talk) 00:04, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Thanks! --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]