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Estonia wants into Nordic propaganda. The article attempts to make Estonia appear more Scandinavian than it is[edit]

It can be clearly seen here that quite a few places in the article attempt to show links with Scandinavia and Finland stronger than they actually are. Thus, quite a few places in the article are neither objective nor quality. It appears that the article has been edited by the Estonian Nordicists, who are trying to advance their "Estonia wants into nordic" project. Just such: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Estonia_cannot_into_Nordic.jpg Of course, such stupid propaganda is deliberately aimed at fooling the public. It would be necessary for articles to be written by objectively thinking people. No propaganda is needed. It would be desirable for articles to be written by objective foreigners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rot20mis (talkcontribs)

Stateless population in Estonia[edit]

I was surprise the stateless problem was not addressed in the page. Their is page like Russians in Estonia and Estonian alien's passport that address the subject a bit but I think a section in the Estonian page would be a great addition. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) recently produce a very detailed report on the current situation and progress, should be a good source: https://www.refworld.org/docid/5a338b5c4.html

Now in which section to put this? Politics? Demography? Gagarine (talk) 17:44, 5 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An entire section will be too much, because it would be a non-neutral approach then. But a couple sentences under demography would be fine - but make sure to stay neutral and only refer to which is directly written in the report. Blomsterhagens (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Estonian alien's passport owners can travel visa-free in both EU and in Russia, which is something that Estonian (or Russian) passport owners can't. For that reason, some people have preferred to stay in that limbo, but even then their numbers are coming down relatively fast. As of that is more of a weird curiosity from 1990s, that is slowly going away, and not an mayor problem to talk about. Ivo (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Rights of minorities have never been a minor problem 176.99.224.157 (talk) 07:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

add a border around the flag[edit]

The bottom bar of the flag blends in with the background of the infobox, someone should replace it with a version that has a black border. or make the infobox a different color.

Poopykibble (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Digitalization[edit]

https://theconversation.com/estonia-is-a-digital-republic-what-that-means-and-why-it-may-be-everyones-future-145485 Xx236 (talk) 09:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/08/how-estonia-became-a-digital-society.html Xx236 (talk) 09:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/18/estonia-the-digital-republic Xx236 (talk) 09:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baltic[edit]

The Latvia and Lithuania articles mention that they are Baltic countries, yet this article just says that Estonia is in North Europe. It’s not even mentioned anywhere that Estonia is Baltic, which I think should be mentioned. It seems this article has been ”Nordicwashed” i.e only showing links to the Nordic countries and shying away from anything Baltic, though most people know Estonia as Baltic. Finlandestonia (talk) 13:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following is actually written in the article (please take your time to read the article beyond the first few paragraphs, further down, in the appropriately called section 'Geography of Estonia' one can read): Geopolitically, Estonia is often considered to be one of the three Baltic countries or "Baltic states" — an unofficial geopolitical grouping which also includes Latvia and Lithuania. However, the term "Baltic states" ("countries", "nations", "lands", or similar) cannot be used unambiguously in the context of cultural areas, national identity, or language. While the majority of the population both in Lithuania and neighbouring Latvia are indeed Baltic peoples (Lithuanians and Latvians), the majority in Estonia (Estonians) are culturally and linguistically Finnic.83.48.15.36 (talk) 11:00, 30 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Finlandestonia This is not unique to this article, there appears to be a subset of Estonian editors doing this across numerous articles mentioning Estonia. In particular, they are erasing "Baltic states", which is certainly a WP:DUE term since it's even referred to as such in official UN sources, seen here and here for example. There should be no issue with having this term in the lead. TylerBurden (talk) 19:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Estonia is a Baltic country so why can’t it be mentioned anywhere that it is? Apparently adding it is not an ”improvement”. Finlandestonia (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Most people also know e.g that the Netherlands is a Benelux country. However trying to add this (not the most important bit of information) it to the first sentence(s) of the Wikipedia article "Netherlands" would not be an improvement -- Benelux is mentioned multiple times later on in the appropriate parts of the article's body text, as it should be. Exactly the same logic applies to Estonia, and inserting the "Baltic states" (less important factoid) into the lead paragraph: it would not be an improvement, but quite the contrary, would just add clutter and confusion -- note that the Baltic Sea (a far more important geographical fact) is already mentioned twice in the first paragraph anyway.3 Löwi (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, both Latvia and Lithuania (both Baltic countries just like Estonia) have Baltic in the lead, yet Estonia doesn't. All the Nordic countries (Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland) have Nordic in the lead. I think it is pretty important to name the term Estonia is almost always internationally referred to as, Baltic. And again, the Baltic sea doesn't have anything to do with being Baltic. Are Sweden and Poland Baltic countries since they border the Baltic sea? The Latvian and Lithuanian mention both and they aren't cluttered or confusing at all (Lithuania: It is one of three Baltic states and lies on the eastern shore of the Baltic Sea.) and (Latvia: is a country in the Baltic region of Northern Europe. It is one of the Baltic states;). Finlandestonia (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I disagree. Sweden is on the Baltic Sea but is not a Baltic country, thus the mention of the Baltic Sea is not a stand in for a Baltic country. All the Nordic countries are described as Nordic in the lead, same with the Baltic countries (except for Estonia). Benelux is a different thing, as that is a much more recent and lesser known term, that is mostly about government co-operation. The Estonia article mentions nowhere that the country is Baltic, though Latvia and Lithuania do. It is pretty clear why some have edited that out. Finlandestonia (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User Finlandestonia is factually incorrect: Benelux is a well-known term, used since 1944; and in 1944 the term "Baltic countries" typically included Finland as well. Just like Benelux, the term Baltic countries now, in the 21st century, is mostly about intergovernmental co-operation. Of course, another historical (sic! not current) out-of-date definition of the Baltic states was (in the second half of the 20th century) the three countries occupied by the totalitarian Soviet Union (1944-1991). 83.48.15.36 (talk) 10:47, 30 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not at all out of date to refer to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania as "Baltic states" or "Baltic countries" as TylerBurden showed. For a long time there has been attempts to change the article so that it says that Estonia is a Nordic country, but these attempts have not followed consensus and have been reverted. I interpret the arguments against writing "Baltic" in the lede as a continuation of that attempt to change how Wikipedia describes Estonia. Sjö (talk) 06:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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