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Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2020[edit] (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In macedonia nit bulgaria

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quote from the Life of Methodius[edit]

This is the quote from Vita Methodii, the oldest existing source on Cyril and Methodius (from 12. century manuscript):

тъгда цѣсарь Михаилъ рече къ философоу Костѧнтиноу: [...] поимъ братъ свои игоуменъ Мефедии иди же. вꙑ бо ѥста Селоунѧнина, да Селоунѧне вьси чьсто словѣньскꙑ бесѣдоують.

Then Emperor Michael said to Constantine the Philosopher: [...] Take your brother, the Hegumen Methodius, and go. For you are both Thessalonians and all Thessalonians speak pure Slavic.[1]

— Vita Methodii

I think it is more then proper to be in the article. But someone has been reverted my contribution as vandalism, so I must open the discusion here. Does anyone think there is a reason for this quote not to enter the article? --Mladifilozof (talk) 08:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vita Metodii is a WP:PRIMARY source and should not be used per WP:PSTS. The Emperor Michael, as Roman emperor, did not speak a word of Slavic. And the Slavs never took Thessalonica, therefore the claim that "all Thessalonians speak pure Slavic" is bunk. This is exactly the reason we should only rely on modern secondary sources and not primary sources from over 1000 years ago. Khirurg (talk) 17:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  1. ^ Vita Methodii, 0500400-0500810

Requested move 13 April 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved as uncontroversial. (non-admin closure)Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saints Cyril and MethodiusCyril and Methodius – Per the clergy guideline WP:NCWC that discourages the use of 'Saint' unless it is the only viable option for disambiguation. ~ Iskandar323 (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support. Not necessary for recognizability in this case. Srnec (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Addendum: Ngrams shows that "Cyril and Methodius" is far more prevalent as a phrase in the absence of the prefacing title of "Saints" than it is with it. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2022[edit]

Hipodilski (talk) 10:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello there is one more picture of a monument of Saint Cyril and Methodius located in Dobrich, Bulgaria i would like to include in the page

 Not done: We cannot use copyrighted images taken from other websites. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Methodius's death location[edit]

The text of this article states that "Methodius' body was buried in the main cathedral church of Great Moravia. Until today it remains an open question which city was capital of Great Moravia and therefore the place of Methodius' eternal rest remains unknown." The article on Great Moravia states that "Although the location of the Great Moravian capital, "Veligrad", has not been identified, Mikulčice with its palace and 12 churches is the most widely accepted candidate." All well and good so far; Methodius probably died in, and was certainly buried in, the capital of Great Moravia, "Veligrad" or "Velehrad," the location of which is today uncertain. However, the infobox gives a death location for Methodius of Velehrad- a village which is popularly associated with the saints, and which today has structures commemorating the saints, but which is unequivocally not identical with the Veligrad/Velehrad of Great Moravia- as the village's own website states (translated from Czech), "...St. Cyril and Methodius, whose work is traditionally associated with Velehrad (although today we know for sure that the original Velehrad is not the same as the current one)." The website explains that the association with Cyril and Methodius dates from the 19th century, and that the consecration of the basilica which today honors the saints was only expanded to include them in the 1930s.

Anyway: I'm "being bold" and simply unlinking Velehrad from the death location in the infobox. It's incorrect, and contradicts the text of the article. Presumably, its linking to the article on the modern-day village of Velehrad was an honest mistake, caused by understandable confusion between the historic capital and the later village of the same name, made even more understandable because others have evidently made the same mistaken identification before. It'd be good to add a sentence to the article explaining the later (mis)identification of the saints with Velehrad, but I don't speak Czech, and am not quite confident about using/citing sources in translation like this. Yspaddadenpenkawr (talk) 02:03, 23 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2023[edit]

Change line 2 "Byzantine Christian theologians and missionaries." to "Bulgarian Christian theologians and missionaries, born in Solun, Byzantine Empire." Reference: ... "Житие преподобнаго оца нашего Кирила Философа благослов. Сего преподобнаго оца нашего Курилла отечество имяше тръславныи и великий град Солун въ нем же и роди се. Родом сый Блъгарин. От благоверныи и благочестивы родителей роди се. Имя же оцоу его Львь.", Saint Clement of Ohrid, (869AD) “Panonic Hagiography of Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius.” Mpeeva (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 17:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]