Talk:Climate

Splitting proposal

I'm proposing we split the article into climate and the climate system.

1) Why: a) The terms are quite far apart, with climate system also including the effects such as ice. b) I notice, editing other articles, that I often need to refer to the components of the climate system that don't directly affect the weather, hence a link to this page is out of place. For instance, many of the tippings points in tipping points in the climate system might primarily be concerned with tipping points in the ocean and biosphere, and less directly with how this impacts the climate.

2) How: The current article is already almost completely about climate, so in practice this involves only changing a few lines. The advantage is that the effect of the five different components of the climate system on climate can be described in more detail. I've started a (very immature) article on the climate system in my sandbox. There will be a bit of work fixing links to this article. Femke Nijsse (talk) 12:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Since there weren't any reactions and I don't think this is controversial, I've executed the split and climate system is now it's own article. Femke Nijsse (talk) 11:00, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

redundant climate system text

Recent edits at climate system plus some tweaks to the first paragraph here today make this text redundant. Not that it matters, but I added this text some years ago, and am amused to be pruning it today. But I thought I'd park it here for re-use as the new tweaks are reviewed and improved upon.

A region's climate is generated by the [[climate system]], which has five components: [[Earth's Atmosphere|atmosphere]], [[hydrosphere]], [[cryosphere]], [[lithosphere]], and [[biosphere]].<ref name="IPCC glossary">[http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/annexes.html AR4 SYR Synthesis Report Annexes]. Ipcc.ch. Retrieved on 2011-06-28.</ref>

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

conceptual question about classification

In the current version (906376402) a lot of the main body is about climate classification. The IPCC provides two definitions (average weather and state of the climate system). So does the taxonomy and classification scheme belong more to the first definition or the second? That's sort of a basic noob question, but it would help write some glue so this article flows smoothly from one context of "climate" to the other. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

My reading of this page: The Köppen classification maps entirely on the first definitions (average weather), while the other two definition take in more aspects of the climate system. Femke Nijsse (talk) 13:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Definition: average too specific?

Currently definition says "On Earth, interactions between the five parts of the climate system that produce daily weather and long-term averages of weather are called "climate" " A problem I see with this is that average is only one statistic, other statistics like variability/ranges are also part of climate. To me, 'Climate is the statistics of weather' paints a potentially misleading picture that it is about statistics. On Talk:Climate_system I wondering if the version there is improved or worsened by saying something like: "Climate is the average, variability and other measures of weather, typically over a period of 30 years, and is determined by a combination of processes in the climate system". It is of course important to source a definition rather than just make it up. crandles (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:MULTI it would be better to strike your comment here and instead provide a pointer HELP:DIFF to the duplicate thread at Climate system. Or vice-versa, I don't care. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Very inaccurate and misleading simplistic maps

There are two newly created (2019) simplistic maps used in this article, one being cold-warm, the other being cold-warm-hot. Both are extremely inaccurate whether you take coldest month means, warmest month means or overall annual means. It hasn't been specified anywhere on the Wikimedia page what they are based on, and until a correction is made to the map as well as proper referencing, it should be removed from the article. I am removing the two images from the article and will also be posting on their respective Wikimedia pages as well. 85.153.207.181 (talk) 06:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Advice!

I propose to merge the koppen classification with this article, it's more practical that it is only one Hastengeims (talk) 00:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

AAP

VP 157.51.182.232 (talk) 15:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

What is the meaning of climate

English 72.252.112.182 (talk) 01:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Missing aspect of the subject

Matthew Fontaine Maury's Physical Geography gave a list of factors that determine climate: distance from the Equator, distance from the sea, prevailing winds and ocean currents, and height above sea level. Whilst the exact formulation varies ("elevation" or "altitude" instead of "height above sea level", "continentality" instead of "distance from the sea", and sometimes the addition of "orography" or "relief"), this can be found in geographical texts through to this century. It's an aspect of the subject that's entirely missing from this article. Note that controlling factors is not the same as classification. Uncle G (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Fell free to edit the article Chidgk1 (talk) 07:19, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Citations needed

Hello @Benson Chibuzor. Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for editing this article. I see you've added a few {{citation needed}} tags, after existing citations. Could you clarify? If the citation in the article did not contain the information to verify the sentence, you may want to add {{verification failed}} instead. Femke (talk) 12:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)