Talk:Child

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10 year old missing

1year old , 2year old, ... , 9 year old, 11 year old.

Any 10 year old?

This is shocking how Wikipedia has the time to block innocent users, although can’t count to ten?

Go figure.

94.207.76.173 (talk) 08:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A more relevant question would be why there are so many images of children at different ages. The gallery doesn't need yet another image, it needs pruning. --bonadea contributions talk 10:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The gallery has included ages from infancy to age 12, mainly via IP editing, because editors have felt that it's beneficial to show children at different ages and to not go past age 12 since age 13 and higher are more so the adolescence realm. But I've argued with an IP on my talk page before that the gallery is not too beneficial since the way children look at different ages can vary. I noted that I'd been thinking of removing the gallery per WP:Gallery and because the section has been subject to persistent edit warring. With the article currently semi-protected, the section hasn't been a problem. But the section still is not needed. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 08:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Saw this yesterday, but just noting here that S Marshall removed the gallery. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

• There shouldn't be a gallery there. We've had a full RFC about this exact subject and the community decision is crystal clear. And nobody who's capable of looking up "child" on Wikipedia could possibly benefit from an image gallery to help them identify what a juvenile human looks like. The gallery should not be replaced.—S Marshall T/C 21:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC) Hello I am guest 666 and I would like u 2 no, I DONT GIVE A CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oopsie I farted... badly... I need a doctor. oooooooh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.77.117.46 (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Biological, legal and social definitions

There are so many problems in this section I don't even know where to start.

The wiki article states that "Recognition of childhood as a state different from adulthood began to emerge in the 16th and 17th centuries" and that "This change can be traced in paintings: In the Middle Ages, children were portrayed in art as miniature adults with no childlike characteristics. In the 16th century, images of children began to acquire a distinct childlike appearance."

First of all, what part of the world are they referring to? England? Europe? Feudal Japan?

Secondly, if the concept of "childhood" only emerged as late as the 16th century, how come the word itself has existed in the English language since the language's conception, around the 5th century?

Thirdly, what paintings are they even referring to?

And what about before the Middle Ages? What about the Ancient Egyptians? Ancient Greek and Asia? What were their views on childhood and children?

And finally, both of the claims at the top are disputed in the very same article they are sourced from: "From her intensive study of over four hundred diaries and journals, she argued that childhood experiences were not as grim as they suggest it was. She strongly denies that there were any fundamental changes in the way parents viewed or reared their children in this period;".

"It could be argued that the change in the portrayal of children was due entirely to the Renaissance influence on physical realism in portraits, and the development of superior artistic skills as a consequence."

Whoever sourced that page must've only read half of it. If you read the whole article it's fairly clear that the views on childhood have not changed as dramatically as the wiki article makes it seem. The current article glorifies the modern era too much, suggesting that people in the Middle Ages were barbarians who didn't care for their children. It ought to be revised so it includes both viewpoints. Or be rewritten completely, with more and better sources. It's all far too conjectural at the moment.

92.34.242.233 (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, you are welcome to propose a rewrite of the section that follows the sources more closely (or that uses new WP:Reliable sources) and post it here. I can then post it to the article for you. Crossroads ^-talk- 00:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Teenagers are kids but the third stage of being a kid :)

Besides adolescents are children because they still grow and the only reason why they are called teens is because their numbers end with a teen,but the truth is if they are not little kids anymore,then they are the bigger ones,and juvenile means young,young defines a child,kid,kiddo,teen,adolescent,puberty and more youngsters.And plus everbody who is under "18" is a minor or a young human being,and it is true that adolescence is the third stage of being a child :)Just remember why they are called teens is bcos their numbers end with a teen word,but they are children because they are not adults yet.This is why they say kids and adults right?They did not include"kids,teens and adults. " because being a teen is a part of being a child,a big child.It is by stage:1-4yr old-toddler 5-12 primary school 13-18 secondary school and 19-22 college.It is a long bracket from 1 up to 18.But when u become 18,it is a legal age to vote or to go to college. 49.149.212.134 (talk) 00:17, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

sanctity of the child, – an attitude

Please remove the dash or the comma from this string of text. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 22:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

How should stages of development be organized?

Adolescence should be separate, as it is the in-between of childhood and adulthood.

Preadolescence is also often considered early adolescence by researchers, so where would it fit in?

Could it simply be early childhood and later childhood? 2603:7081:5B44:300:FDC2:AED8:BBBA:D972 (talk) 12:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2023

Add definition 2a from source [1] and definition 2 from source [2] to the sentence "In the biological sciences, a child is usually defined as a person between birth and puberty..." The current entry is incomplete because it excludes definitions listed in the two sources provided.

Definition 2a from source [1]: 2.a. An unborn infant; a fetus. Definition 2 from source [2]: 2. an unborn or recently born human being; fetus; neonate; infant.

Change "In the biological sciences, a child is usually defined as a person between birth and puberty..." to "In the biological sciences, a child is usually defined as a human being from any developmental stage beginning at unborn, or recently born, until adolescence..." Pyroman1 (talk) 12:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. That will certainly be contentious. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best to change "Some English definitions of the word child include the fetus (sometimes termed the unborn)" to "Many English definitions of the word child include the fetus (sometimes termed the unborn)."

References are sources 1 (2a), 2 (2), and 10 (1a) already mentioned on the page as well as:

3a from Merriam-Webster

4 from Dictionary.com

Referencing five sources may make it less controversial to change the word "some" to "many" and avoids my admittedly wordy sentence in the original request. Pyroman1 (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)