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Dave souza this is the rare 2006 FA that has apparently been constantly tended and watched and is still in very good shape. Some notes for the FA sweeps at URFA/2020:

  • I have adjusted for MOS:SANDWICH throughout; hope my edits are acceptable.
  • There are some Harv Ref errors (see Category:Harv and Sfn template errors)
    • Anonymous (1893). "CHARLES ROBERT DARWIN (Obituary Notice, Friday, April 21, 1882)". Eminent Persons; Biographies reprinted from The Times. III (1882–1886). London and New York: Macmillan and Co & The Times Office. pp. 1–11. Retrieved 12 February 2019 – via Internet Archive. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFAnonymous1893.
    • Darwin, Charles (1839). Narrative of the surveying voyages of His Majesty's Ships Adventure and Beagle between the years 1826 and 1836, describing their examination of the southern shores of South America, and the Beagle's circumnavigation of the globe. Journal and remarks. 1832–1836. III. London: Henry Colburn. Archived from the original on 21 July 2012. Retrieved 24 October 2008. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFDarwin1839.
    • Darwin, Charles; Wallace, Alfred Russel (1858). "On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection". Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society of London. Zoology 3. 3 (9): 46–50. doi:10.1111/j.1096-3642.1858.tb02500.x. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFDarwinWallace1858.
    • Darwin, Charles (1868). The Variation of Animals and Plants Under Domestication. London: John Murray. ISBN 978-1-4191-8660-8. Archived from the original on 30 January 2011. Retrieved 1 November 2008. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFDarwin1868.
  • A check for use of also might be in order; (see User:Tony1/How to improve your writing on redundancy reducing).
  • There is considerable MOS:OVERLINK, but whether duplicate links are needed is always a judgment call. User:Evad37/duplinks-alt will help identify to evaluate.

I am not sure who else might evaluate this older FA towards marking it "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020, but by putting this note there, we might get that ball rolling. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! The changes for MOS:SANDWICH look good, will check the other points – and review the unused references. . . dave souza, talk 16:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Dave ... I have too many URFA reviews underway to watchlist them all, so pls ping me when I should revisit. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
dave souza where does this stand? Is the article ready for a new look from others who might mark it "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
SandyGeorgia Apologies for the delay, I've been distracted by a number of other issues, will now get on with checking this over. . . dave souza, talk 11:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Dave; I will be tied up for a few weeks with my son's wedding, so if I forget to get back to this, please leave a message on my talk page when you're ready for a look. That way, I'll have a permanent reminder to revisit! Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Congrats and best wishes to your family for the nuptials, hope to respond reasonably soon, . . dave souza, talk 15:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've checked the article over, fixing a few minor things and removing overlinks. Basically, it's fine. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will get back to a full re-read in a few weeks, after vacation .. pls ping me if I forget! Meanwhile, others might mark the article "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020A. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Noting MOS:SANDWICH in the Commemoration section ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
De-sandwiched. I'll sign it off now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could someone make sure that the Influenced and Influences items in the infobox are all cited in the text? Those infobox parameters have a way of getting out of control without citations, and I don't have time this week to check for all ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. White, Lubbock, and Romanes were all not even mentioned, let alone cited... Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Do we really need all the refs in the lead (WP:LEADCITE)? They seem more distracting than helpful—surely all the information is cited below? Aza24 (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agreed. I think some of those are there because of chronic CN tags over the years. But I would agree, they clutter up the lead and some should clearly be removed. — Shibbolethink ( ) 23:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


@Dave souza: Thank you for taking the initiative to keep this vital FA! I have a suggestion regarding the lede. Currently, the first sentence states "[...] best known for his contributions to the science of evolution", but what about "best known for his contributions to evolutionary biology" with a link to evolution? This subfield is by definition the "science of evolution". Wretchskull (alt) (talk) 10:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Wretchskull (alt):, thanks! Looks a good idea, so have implemented it, with credit to you in the edit summary. Hope that suits you, . dave souza, talk 17:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dave souza: Thank you for your tireless work here! No pressure, but are you willing to continue work here? There are many unsourced sentences. Wretchskull (talk) 09:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Wretchskull: hardly tireless, am a bit worn out but remain glad to try to contribute to this team effort when available. Where sentences are unsourced, will appreciate others adding references, or tagging for citation needed and discussion here. No need to wait for me to make improvements. . . dave souza, talk 15:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Children's names[edit]

Don't have strong feelings about whether the name box should show forenames only (as previously) or full name at christening inc. surname. Have edited it to avoid redirects, and there's no point in linking to the non-notable Mary Eleanor Darwin and Elizabeth Darwin, both are just uninformative redirects. Also, I've abbreviated months as the table adds extra lines and gets very confusing – still happens in some cases, so table needs to be wider but don't know how to fix that. . dave souza, talk 10:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding images of class/lecture cards purchased by Darwin whilst at the University of Edinburgh[edit]

I would like to add two images from the University of Edinburgh Heritage Collection:

File:Class card purchased by Darwin for a lecture at the University of Edinburgh.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

If this can be attended to, it would be greatly appreciated. UtopiaCaled0nia (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Isabelle Belato Hi Isabelle, is there any possibility that this might be progressed? I'm a volunteer, doing this on behalf of the University of Edinburgh Heritage Collection. If there are any issues, please do not hesitate to let this relative newb know, thanks! UtopiaCaled0nia (talk) 14:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thanks for uploading these class cards, they're an interesting detail of that particular phase in Charles Darwin's education, but they're not a significant feature of Darwin's overall biography which this article tries to summarise as concisely as possible. It's already a very large article, which has been extensively scrutinised as a featured article.
    Looking at the sub-article, I've tried using these images at the University of Edinburgh section where these lectures are discussed and cited to references. No doubt improvements can be made, particularly to the formatting. . . dave souza, talk 20:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks for your response Dave, and I fully understand where you're coming from. I'm still on a learning curve, so all feedback is appreciated. UtopiaCaled0nia (talk) 09:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]