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Discussion of Canada's official name

Canada's name
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New interactive zoomable map[edit]

@Canterbury Tail Hi, the OpenStreetMap map is interactive and zoomable and very well shows map of Canada. Why you revert my edit? This map is different from all existing maps. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Canterbury Tail I really believe that if you want to remove one of two maps, you should remove the svg map and not the OpenStreetMap map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the infobox it added nothing over the map we already had, in fact it was less clear and requires you to go to an external link to get the use out of it which isn't useful in an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Canterbury Tail I really disagree with you! It is very clear and even more clear than the svg. All water border is shown in this new map. Also islands of Canada is shown better and more clearly. These details only can be shown by OpenStreetMap. I.e., border of Canada is better shown.
Additionally the ability of zooming on each city and each island of Canada is provided. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Canterbury Tail This ability is specially well-used by mobile users. They rapidly zoom by two fingers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You don't need to keep pinging me. The zoom functionality isn't available in the infobox, the user has to click and go to another page. The utility isn't there for the actual infobox. Anyway lets see what others have to say. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fully agree with Canterbury Tail. The original should be kept. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joeyconnick We are in the year 2023. I think we should not use maps from 19th or 20th century that lacks any metadata and are text free. Maps without metadata is for 19th century, we are in the year 2023. So we should use maps with full interctive metadata. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am with Canterbury Tail on this as well. You cannot actually zoom in much using the new map without clicking on it and leaving the Wikipedia website, and without that feature it is no more useful than the current map. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@QuicoleJR Aside from zoom and clicking problem, one of main differences of svg and OpenStreetMap is border of Canada. Please compare Map

with

The border of the second map shows only dryness lands, but Canada posses many seas. So the border of Canada in the second map is more accurate and useful.

The borders of the one you're illustrating above are subjectively worse. In the infobox, and in your image above, they look like Canada controls all of the western coast all the way from Washington state to Alaska when that's not the case. Canterbury Tail talk 20:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now the map you added here is actually useful due to the small scale of it and delineating the boundaries in a way that is clear and useful in the infobox context. So this isn't an entire thing against everything, it's just in the context of this article and its infobox the map isn't useful. Canterbury Tail talk 20:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would agree that the street view map is worse, as the details of the border are hard to see. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are these being spammed all over the place again? We have talked about these maps a few times. Moxy- 20:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For final words, I really disagree with all 4 people engaged in this discussion! In my opinion, interactive maps should be replaced by solid maps gradually. You are all right that we have some problems in zooming, but in future these bugs can be removed from Wikipedia and we can insert "Interactive maps" instead of "solid maps" in Wikipedia for all Infoboxes. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note you're going about this the wrong way, you're just antagonizing everyone with this attitude. However more importantly this isn't about the maps per say, it's about their usefulness in their sizes in the infoboxes. Infoboxes are expected to summarize the article, not to supplant in any way. You should read MOS:INFOBOX. They're to assist in the article, not there to be used as a set of weblinks. This is why the websites in infoboxes should show the URL as the information, not just link to it. We try to keep people inside Wikipedia as much as possible that is the ultimate objective as we can't control outside sources. Most of the maps you're adding at the country level are not helpful inside the infobox as they don't show the subject in a manner useful inside the infobox and require the user to click on them and go outside in order to get any use out of them. That's an external link, not an infobox map. Canterbury Tail talk 20:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have an idea for implementing this scenario: We use OpenStreetMap to show a map of Canada with these settings are implemented as checkboxes, and Wikipedia interactively updates maps:
  1. A checkbox for showing borders of Canada
  2. A checkbox for showing main cities
  3. A checkbox for showing main rivers
  4. A checkbox for showing main roads
  5. A checkbox for showing sea teritories
  6. A checkbox for showing UNESCO sightseeings
  7. A checkbox for showing main mountains
and many other checkboxes interact with OpenStreetMap and each time a new map is rendered from OpenStreetMap to the user. After checking, an attribute is added to the map of that Infobox or if unchecked it will be removed from that Infobox map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can I ask how any of that is going to be visible or useful in an map a couple hundred pixels across in an infobox? You seem to be continually missing the point that this is about the usefulness of these maps in an infobox where the map is necessarily small and cannot include much data. Not its usefulness as an external link or other page. Canterbury Tail talk 21:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hidden version of maps in infoboxes[edit]

I suppose this type of map:

{{hidden begin|title=OpenStreetMap|ta1=center}}{{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=full|frame-height=300|zoom=1|frame-lat=63.0|frame-long=-110.00
|type=shape-inverse|id=Q16
|type2=point|id2=Q16|stroke-width=3|stroke-color=#7e7e7e|fill=#7e7e7e|title2=zones|marker=country
}}{{hidden end}}

that is rendered as:

OpenStreetMap
Map

which yields:

Canada
A vertical triband design (red, white, red) with a red maple leaf in the centre.
Motto: A mari usque ad mare (Latin)
"From Sea to Sea"
Anthem: "O Canada"
A projection of North America with Canada highlighted in green
OpenStreetMap
Map
CapitalOttawa
45°24′N 75°40′W / 45.400°N 75.667°W / 45.400; -75.667
Largest cityToronto
Official languages
Demonym(s)Canadian
GovernmentFederal parliamentary constitutional monarchy
• Monarch
Charles III
Mary Simon
Justin Trudeau
LegislatureParliament
Senate
House of Commons
Independence 
July 1, 1867
December 11, 1931
April 17, 1982
Area
• Total area
9,984,670 km2 (3,855,100 sq mi) (2nd)
• Water (%)
11.76 (2015)[2]
• Total land area
9,093,507 km2 (3,511,023 sq mi)
Population
• 2023 Q4 estimate
Neutral increase 40,528,396[3] (37th)
• 2021 census
36,991,981[4]
• Density
4.2/km2 (10.9/sq mi) (236th)
GDP (PPP)2023 estimate
• Total
Increase $2.379 trillion[5] (16th)
• Per capita
Increase $59,813[5] (28th)
GDP (nominal)2023 estimate
• Total
Decrease $2.118 trillion[5] (10th)
• Per capita
Decrease $53,247[5] (18th)
Gini (2018)Positive decrease 30.3[6]
medium
HDI (2021)Increase 0.936[7]
very high · 15th
CurrencyCanadian dollar ($) (CAD)
Time zoneUTC−3.5 to −8
• Summer (DST)
UTC−2.5 to −7
Date formatyyyy-mm-dd (AD)[8]
Calling code+1
Internet TLD.ca

I really think that existance of this map, even in hidden state is very helpful. @Canterbury Tail, QuicoleJR, and Joeyconnick: Do you agree?

I don't see that as being useful at all, especially in the very small manner in which is it inside an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 12:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hyperlink from Port Royal[edit]

I see that the hyperlink from "Port Royal" links to a very succinct wikipedia page about a modern rural intersection, with no official status, named "Port Royal." While the intersection is very close to the Port Royal Habitation National Historic Site, it actually has nothing to do with the 1605 settlement other than geographic proximity. There is no evidence of the "Port Royal" name for this intersection being used prior to the 20th century.

Can I ask that you link to the page on "Port Royal (Acadia)" which covers the historic French settlement in great detail? If not, then the other option is to link to the page on the "Port-Royal National Historic Site".

If you are interested, the root of much of the confusion lies in the fact that the French settlers, until at least 1707, used the name "Port Royal" when they were talking about what is today the Annapolis Basin. Thus "Port Royal" was a body of water, not a town or village in the modern sense. Although the term "Port Royal" was later was used to refer to the seigneury, which covered a large area around the Basin.

Thank you. HISTORBUFF (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Canada a post-national state[edit]

PMs Justin Trudeau and Jean Chretien have publicly stated that Canada is a post-national state. Author and commentator Rudyard Griffiths made a similar pronouncement.

Canada is considered to be a post-national state.[9][10][11] Wiseoleman17 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Widly debated term used in Canada for decades.[12]...like Radical centrism#Canada


References

  1. ^ "Royal Anthem". Government of Canada. August 11, 2017. Archived from the original on December 6, 2020.
  2. ^ "Surface water and surface water change". OECD. Archived from the original on December 9, 2018. Retrieved October 11, 2020.
  3. ^ "Population estimates, quarterly". Statistics Canada. December 19, 2023. Archived from the original on December 19, 2023. Retrieved December 19, 2023.
  4. ^ "Census Profile, 2021 Census of Population". February 9, 2022. Archived from the original on February 9, 2022.
  5. ^ a b c d "World Economic Outlook Database, October 2023 Edition. (Canada)". International Monetary Fund. October 10, 2023. Archived from the original on October 13, 2023.
  6. ^ "Income inequality". OECD. Archived from the original on February 6, 2020. Retrieved July 16, 2021.
  7. ^ "Human Development Report 2021/2022" (PDF). United Nations Development Programme. September 8, 2022. Archived (PDF) from the original on September 8, 2022.
  8. ^ The Government of Canada and Standards Council of Canada prescribe ISO 8601 as the country's official all-numeric date format: Public Works and Government Services Canada Translation Bureau (1997). "5.14: Dates". The Canadian style: A guide to writing and editing (Revised ed.). Dundurn Press. p. 97. ISBN 978-1-55002-276-6. The dd/mm/yy and mm/dd/yy formats also remain in common use; see Date and time notation in Canada.
  9. ^ Griffiths, Rudyard (2010). Who We Are: A Citizen's Manifesto. Douglas & McIntyre. ISBN 9781553655381.
  10. ^ Lawson, Guy. "Trudeau's Canada, Again". The New York Times. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
  11. ^ "Annual Report on the Operation of The Canadian Multiculturalism Act 1999-2000" (PDF). Department of Canadian Heritage. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
  12. ^ Lawson, Guy (Dec 8, 2015). "Trudeau's Canada, Again". The New York Times. Retrieved Dec 19, 2023.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2023[edit]

Change population estimate from 40,097,761 (Q3 2023) to 40,528,396 (Q4 2023). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done Deltaspace42 (talkcontribs) 20:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Deltaspace42, please update the reference next time you make a change. —Joeyconnick (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joeyconnick: Forgot, sorry, I followed the link in the reference to recheck and saw Q4 and changed only numbers, I forgot that there are parameters like access date and archived version. Deltaspace42 (talkcontribs) 20:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"border=no"[edit]

I was wrong to insist (apologies to User:Moxy). I would like to discuss this (very small) problem here; in the See also paragraph, the portal is without borders, yet this is the only page in the whole of Wikipedia that has this function. Wouldn't it be better to homologate this page to all the others as well? JackkBrown (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No guesswork pls .....It does match our other top level articles.... Culture of Canada#See also, History of Canada#See also, Military history of Canada#See also, Wildlife of Canada#See also, Geography of Canada#See also, Moxy- 16:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Moxy: all right! It actually makes sense, because the borders of the Canadian flag are white (the flag represents the image of the maple leaf, but without other details). JackkBrown (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Canada-Danish realm land border[edit]

I think it would be interesting to mention (in the opening paragraph) the land border with Greenland (Danish Realm) following the resolution of the dispute over sovereignty of Hans Island. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Think that would be undue as it is not as significant as the US border. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While it is interesting, it is of very little significance to the topic. TFD (talk) 06:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems to me land borders are land borders irrespective of length. They constitute geopolitical realities and worth being mentionned. In this case, it's a new geopolitical reality coupled with the resolution of a longstanding territorial dispute, albeit a relatively minor and peaceful one. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 10:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The opening paragraph is supposed to mention five or ten of the most important facts about Canada. That is shares a land border with Greenland is not one of them, certainly not in the literature about Canada. TFD (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The land border that Nunavut shares with the Northwest Territores and the southern provinces is more significant than the land border we share with Denmark. It's on an island that most Nunavummiut are never going to see despite it being part of Nunavut. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I hope you are aware that the land borders that Nunavut shares with the Northwest Territories and southern provinces are not international borders, regardless of length. Moreover, the border on Hans Island is formally not Nunavut's border, but Canada's border. I was simply making the point that following the resolution of the Hans Island dispute Canada gained an additional international land border. That said, it seems that there in no agreement. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Definitely not worth putting in the lead. It’s really only a minor point. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oddly enough I was aware of that. However, based on the way the provinces act sometimes it's easy to believe that they think the NWT and Nunavut are foreign parts. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would agree with that. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Canada's complex relationship with the USA[edit]

KlayCax@ you have removed the word "complex " inrelation to relations between Canada and the United States a few times now without trying to undersdtand why its used [1], [2]. This is a term that you will find used throughout history about this topic by academics and the media alike. Your reasoning is it needs more context...however its all in the article...in fact Canada's relationship with the USA is the most covered topic of foreign relations in the article as a whole.

Sources[edit]

Moxy- 15:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I too wondered why it was used? But it kinda flew under my radar. You bring up a good point. I assumed it was issues like the softwood dispute; the NAFTA re-negotiations; the arctic dispute; Canada looking to claim Hawaii, but the USA getting there like a mere 1 week earlier (so I heard); the burnings of the Parliament/White House; FATCA legislation that caught up so many Canadians in the US tax reporting obligations; however as you said without a clearcut explanation it is all conjecture. CaribDigita (talk) 07:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We link the main article on the topic, provide sources and cover the topic all over the article. That said Canada looking to claim Hawaii,?Moxy- 17:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I cannot find it now. There was a radio interview about the 'Turks & Caicos -- Canada political union or affiliation' idea some years ago, and I believe it was either by CTV or CBC and they delved into a fact about a captain from Canada setting off to claim Hawaii for the British Empire but the captain from the USA arrived one week earlier and that's how it wound up a US state instead. CaribDigita (talk) 22:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 February 2024[edit]

Canada should be spelled Kanada just like Lake Shkoder is titled Lake Skadar in Wikipedia. It's only fair that a foreign toponym be used to describe the country of Canada just like a foreign toponym is used to describe a Lake (among other things), in Albania. Thank you. 142.114.118.180 (talk) 03:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done If you are unhappy about a term used for another location, suggest you address that at that talk page rather than here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2024[edit]

After Canada, add officially the Dominion of Canada, as is there for all other countries 142.189.71.71 (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done: “Dominion of Canada” not the name; please see Name of Canada. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]