Talk:Boris Yeltsin

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New Inbox Image[edit]

I am starting this section to propose that the present infobox image be replaced with the following picture. As noted in WP:Image Use Policy,"images should be uploaded at high resolution whether or not this seems 'necessary' for the use immediately contemplate." Here, the current image's resolution is significantly compromised due to how exceedingly tiny it is. By comparison, the proposed image is larger and thereby provides a more detailed view of the subject. Any thoughts? Emiya1980 (talk) 21:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed new image for Yeltsin article.
  • Query: I'm a bit confused, because the argument advanced above seems inconsistent with what I am seeing in the files themselves: the image used in the article's infobox (as of the moment of this post) is actually several times larger in terms of image resolution than the one attached to this thread. Was a mistake made with regard to the image posted for discussion here? In any event, the photos are more or less of identical encyclopedic utility aside from that factor, for what that is worth in further discussion. Snow let's rap 23:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Snow Rise: You may be case with regards to the images’ resolution . However, when used in the article’s infobox, Yeltsin appears significantly smaller in the current image than the one being proposed. Since an image’s utility to viewed is only as good as how visible it is to most viewers. An image providing a close-up view of the matter being discussed is more useful than an image which features the article‘s subject in a significantly less prominent position but otherwise has slightly higher resolution. Here, the new image provides a close-up view of Yeltsin with little to no loss in resolution. Consequently, for the purposes of the article, it offers the best of both worlds in terms of finding an appropriate balance between resolution and visibility.Emiya1980 (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)uReply[reply]
Emiya, I'm afraid your argument still does not track, at least if I am understanding it correctly: you are aware that any image of any resolution can be set to any size relative to the full page--at least as a technical matter? Therefore I am confused as to why you are suggesting that the lower resolution image should be employed for the purposes of "better resolution". I do notice that the image you are recommending here is ever-so-slightly closer-cropped (and I really do mean slight)--is this what you are talking about? If so, this is a different matter from image size and image resolution, which, contrary to your RfC prompt, are larger in the image presently used in the article than the one which you are proposing. I really do think the difference between the two images in marginal, but it's worth noting two things about the argument you have advanced in favour of your preferred image: 1) the portion of the image use policy you site concerns preferences with regard to uploading images of higher resolution, and says nothing about which images should be employed within articles in terms of how close-cropped an image is, and 2) to the extent that a higher resolution is preferable, that would argue for the image presently in the article, not the one you propose.
So, if what you are actually arguing for is a closer-cropped image, I think you should strike through your original prompt and replace it with a new one saying something to the effect of "I am proposing we use the image shown to the right, because it is a little more cropped on Yelstin and I believe this makes for a better use in this circumstance." before anyone else responds and the matter gets more complicated by the inaccurate wording and policy reference. Although, again, I'm seeing very little difference between the two and I think you and the editor who reverted you should have been able to resolve this short of RfC: a little discussion may have gone a long way here. Snow let's rap 07:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(@Doomer1557:) I apologize for inaccurately framing my argument, Snow Rise. Yes, you are correct. What I am proposing is the use of a more closely cropped image of Boris Yeltsin. Since the present image is of higher resolution than my earlier suggestion, would you or any other editors be opposed to using a more closely cropped version of it such as the image below?Emiya1980 (talk) 20:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
2nd proposal
(@Emiya1980:) Ok. 'Doomer1557' ( talk) 20:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Awesome--works for me. :) Since the original two editors disputing the edit in question are now on the same page, and since the only respondent so far (yours truly) has no objections to that resolution, I think this matter is resolved. I'll wait half an hour to make sure neither of you have objections and then I will remove the RfC tag: the difference between the edits is so slight and the result so uncontroversial that I do not think we need a formal close here. Snow let's rap 21:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Vladimir Yeltsin" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vladimir Yeltsin. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Yeltsin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This POV needs clean up[edit]

This article has POV in it. Here is an example of a heavily biased paragraph, "Yelstin succeeded in the unconstitutional, illegal, and contested dissolution of the USSR. The breakup of the Soviet Union could happened earlier in 1991 when, Soviet citizenry voted on this issue. In the only independent referendum in Soviet history, a super majority of people across the nation voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union and preserve its government. This should have stopped the nationalistic and treacherous parties in the union but the victory was only temporary."

Can someone please clean this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


@Caustic3: Where in that source is Yeltsin described as being aligned with conservatism? The only mention of conservatism it seems is this paragraph: Yeltsin says he never really fit into the pampered and collegial fraternity of the Politburo. His colleagues mocked as cheap ambition his predilection for unannounced forays into the understocked grocery stores and his rides on the overcrowded subways. He clashed repeatedly with the Politburo's archconservative, Yegor K. Ligachev. Yeltsin speculates that Gorbachev kept him around for political balance. With the prickly, impetuous Yeltsin to his left, the conservative Ligachev to his right, Gorbachev himself seemed the omniscient centrist. If anything, it seems to contradict this. Mellk (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not to mention that Yeltsin is often associated with liberalism or neo-liberalism, so removing this does not seem correct. Mellk (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I believe you and I are trying to say the same thing but in different ways. Yeltsin's position is conservative in the context of Soviet Russia. Liberalism not only has many definitions in the dictionary form but also in the connotative meaning. Liberalism can mean classical liberalism which in the year 2021 we could call conservative since it argues for free markets, etc. The reason I say Yeltsin is conservative is because he was a traditionalist not to mention a man who became fond of the U.S. way of life. Since 1980 the United States has largely become a conservative nation, one that champions traditional family values, faith, and small government. This ideology is reflected upon in Ronald Reagan and I would never use the word liberal to describe Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a pitchman of traditional values (nuclear family, faith based life, and anti-socialist.) Socialism and Leninist values are considered left and radical since they are such a departure of small government. Yeltsin deviated from Leninist and socialist doctrines by imploding the union and more importantly he began to support the Russian Orthodox Church. The church is a deeply conservative entity that has always been focused on traditionalism. The church and conservatism even go back to 1917 during the Revolution. Bolshevik ideology such as public ownership of land and decriminalization of homosexuality disgusted the church. Yeltsin and his successor Putin share this view on social issues. Both are social conservatives and believe the government has no business in economic affairs (pun intended). In America the word liberal in any sense reflects some left leaning position. Yeltsin was not on the political left, nor a centrist. He was firmly conservative. That is why he sought and received aid from U.S. President Bill Clinton. Clinton was a Democrat but he was hardly a friend to the left. Clinton abhorred social welfare, and tight regulations on financial enterprises. He also preached the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. Yeltsin was the same. Liberalism is a term that could refer to both the left and the right. Conservative on the other hand is a term that is only used to refer to the political right. I classify Yeltsin as a conservative and an anti-socialist and Leninist. Caustic3 (talk) 00:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have a Reliable Source in the article which explicitly describes Yeltsin as an adherent of "liberal Russian nationalism". Yeltsin favoured free enterprise, a privatised economy, and a move towards something resembling liberal democratic governance. These are all liberal positions, as the term liberalism is understood in an international sense. Confusion arises over the fact that in the U.S. specifically, a country fundamentally built on liberal principles, the word liberal has in recent decades come to be used generically for what otherwise might be better labelled "left-wing", as you note. (Ironically, of course, many self-described U.S. "liberals" now espouse views that, in an international context, are pretty non-liberal, like emphasising state ownership and identity politics over individual liberty). We must not only follow the Reliable Sources, but also avoid imposing very U.S.-centric uses of the word on other parts of the world. Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"President Yeltsin's" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect President Yeltsin's and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 8#President Yeltsin's until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist (talk) 13:16, 8 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Download size is ENORMOUS! 850MB! Please fix![edit]


I just tried to save this page to my flash drive so I could read it in full later and also refer back to it, and the download was going to be 850 MB, according to my download manager. I skimmed the page, found there is at least one video (Boris and Bill Clinton 'share a laugh') and looking at the source code for the page I saw that there are various webm files listed in that section. When I then ran a count of how many times webm appeared in the source code, it was 61.

Presumably the page's code is written such that it's attempting to supply me with all or a good number of those videos - I don't want them! (Especially not when I have around 500 MB left before I run out of data allowance.)

Could someone sort out the code or editing (it's beyond me, currently) so that the videos aren't part of the download for the page? I'm fairly sure OGGs don't download automatically, do they? Anyway, this is excessive, at 850 MB - I can just imagine school kids running into trouble, too, with their teachers and the admin, if the security settings on their school intranet even allow them to download the page, considering what comes with it.

TIA heaps to the 'rescuer'!

Mathsgirl (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, to download a page, I would recommend to click the built-in Download as PDF option on the sidebar (H:PDFD for more details). There is only one video on this page. Regards. Mellk (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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