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I'm using the Black bloc talk page to discuss antifa because two editors in particular have erased my content. I don't understand the dilemma. I think it entirely appropriate to link black bloc with antifa, and I wish to gain consensus.
I think it healthy to have a dialog, since my copy has been entirely erased and I feel without merit. I carefully crafted a neutral tone in a paragraph that discussed black blocs and media attention, and so the sentence is relevant in context. Mercury News is the citation, and it’s a valid source that makes the connection of antifa and black bloc.
Proposed copy: “The Antifa activist look generally is black bloc. Antifa activists may wear black clad clothing characterized by black hoodies, balaclavas, ski masks, gloves, gas masks or goggles or sunglasses, black work or military boots and gloves. Some may carry makeshift shields, staffs or flags to show cohesion. Some may also use black bloc to hide their identities.”
I used qualifiers (generally and some). As well I cited four news sources: https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/03/antifa-berkeley-protest-trump-coulter https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/style/black-bloc-fashion.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/05/in-portland-images-of-knives-brass-knuckles-bricks-show-viciousness-of-protests/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ff42b5d7d84a
Any objections? If I don't hear any objections then I will insert the material. Cheers! SDSU-Prepper (talk) 03:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- No objections here. "the black bloc is part of the longstanding visual language of international anti-fascism, or antifa." https://www.thenation.com/article/if-you-appreciated-seeing-neo-nazi-richard-spencer-get-punched-thank-the-black-bloc/ This article is already cited in the Black Bloc wiki article. Mbsyl (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
How is it that Richard Spencer is not mentioned anywhere in the Black Bloc article? Spencer getting punched was surely a huge part of the whole antifa/black bloc uprising in America. Does anyone really debate this??? Even the antifa wiki article mentions it, and its not half as clear that the person who punched Spencer was antifa as it is that they were black bloc. Mbsyl (talk) 15:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
block, not bloc
The word in English for a group of persons is "block". "Bloc" is generally reserved for a group of countries. See the two words at Lexico.com (the online Oxford dictionary) for example. Wegesrand (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Wegesrand: Terminology in Wikipedia articles is based on what's used in reliable sources. Reliable sources on this subject almost exclusively use "bloc". – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Black bloc prosody
I came across this article while looking at sources for the Sean Bonney article; it has some meditations on the black bloc tactic in relation to poetry that could make for an interesting addition to this article:
- Nowell Smith, David (2013). "'An Interrupter, a Collective': Sean Bonney's Lyric Outrage". Études britanniques contemporaines (45). doi:10.4000/ebc.746.
– Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:50, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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