Talk:Battle of Hilli

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Who is this Major Niazi who surrenders on Dec. 16? Major Malik is cited as the Pakistani leader, and the battle is said to end Dec. 13. Someone with knowledge, please clarify or correct!

Corrected. Idleguy 08:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There was no Major Niazi in 205 bde as BM(Brigade Major). This Bde HQ was having thr fol offrs then:- Comd - Brig Tajjamal Hussain, BM Major Anees(from Engrs who was saked and Major Mazhar took over as BM during the war.Major Anees as I was told-winner of sword of honour: very capable offr,but for unknown reasons on arrival of Brig Tajjamal , he sacked him). Capt Naeem ,Arty Sc(later shaheed during the last days of war,due to ecessive bleeding as was told to me). Capt Akram , AC GSO III

205 Bde was having these units--- 8 BaluchPanch bibi) , 4 FF(Hilli)13 FF (Nagao)> I feel Major Niazi was from 8 Baluch. 80 Fd Regt(Bty at Hilli with 4 FF, Bty Comd Major Anwar Khan later I saw him as Brig) , 29 Cav 3 toy tks at HilliLt Sher Jan Tajjak, pl ex 34 Punjab(hilli-with 4 FF)

Major Gul now again this major niazi has been shown in the otjer image from 38 punjab where as according to my knowledge this unit was not at all in east pakistan major gul

This page has some information errors. First of all, 16th Division was responsible for the entire North Western sector of East Pakistan which was opposed by India's 33 Corps, which had 20th Mountain Division under command. Brigadier Shafi's brigade was responsible for the northern part of this sector, whereas 205 Brigade of Brig. Tajammul was responsible for the southern part, which was opposed by 20th Mountain Division. So therefore, the opposing strengths should be 20th Mountain Division vs 205 Brigade and not 16th December. Secondly, Battle of Hilli is never looked at as an individual battle but a series of battles fought by 205 Brigade in this sector against the advance of 20th Mountain Division. Historians refer to this as the Battle of Hilli-Bogra (which is 40 Kms away from Hilli). Hilli was just the first of the many battles fought in the middle (Such as Badhuria, Rangpur and Bogra itself). The main significant here is that in Hilli, Indian army were adamant on putting a frontal assault against Hilli which as elsewhere in East Pakistan wherever a frontal attack was carried out, did not materialize, and Indians would normally bypass wherever tough resistance from Pakistani forces was seen. Here, they did not do so until 11th December, after which point they established a block behind Hilli and therefore, Pakistani forces withdrew from Hilli for defence of Bogra. Also, this battle started on 23rd November.

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NOTE------PLEASE NOTE THAT THE BATTLE OF HILLI WAS FOUGHT BY 4 FF, BTY EX-80 FD REGT ARTY, PL MINUS 34 PUNJAB R & S,TP TKS EX 29 CAV-------PLEASE DO NOT MIX THE BATTLE OF HILLI WITH BODURIA OR BOGRA, CAPT MIAN MUZAFFAR GUL PEACE/WAR TIME ADJT 4 FF(BAWANJA)ANY ONE HAVING ANY DOUT CAN CONTACT ME AT EMAIL: muzaffar68@gmail.com 202.163.91.44

THE BATTLE OF HILLI IS TOTALLY DIFERENT FROM THE BATTLE OF BOGRA. THE BATTLE OF HILLI WAS FOUGHT BY 4 FF(cO LT COL M A ABBASI,SJ WHO WAS INJURED ON 25 NOV 1971 AND THEN THE BN WAS VOLUNTARILY TOOK OVER BY LT COL M MUMTAZ MALIK,SJ AND FOUGHT THIS WORLD FAMOUS BATTLE)BTY-EX 80 FD REGT , BTY COMD MAJOR ANWAR KHAN, PL MINUS 34 PUNJAB R & s(ALAS MAJOR NAZIR AND LT BALUCH COY 34 PUNJAB R & S LEFT US BEFORE THIS BATTLE AS WELL THE MOR BTY)TP EX 29 CAV UNDER LT SHER JAN TAJAK, LT MAZHAR WITH FEW ENGRS WHO ALSO LEFT, THE GREAT DOCTOR CAPT ASHIQ HUSSAIN-LAST I SAW HIM AS COL IN AFIC. MISSION: TO DENY TO THE EN AXIS HILLI-MAHESHPUR-BALAHAR-GORAGHAT-PLASBARI-ON TO METALLED ROAD BOGRA-RANGPUR. 4 FF COMPLETED THIS DID NOT BUDGED AN INCH TILL LAST. EN FORCES 20 MTN DIV COMPLETE,XXX CORPS FULL SUPPORT, 8-GUARDS WHICH WAS SPECIALLY BROUGH IN FOR 4 FF WAS COMPLETELY MADE OUT OF ORDER WITH HY CAS , I HEARD THE CO SHAMSHER SIGH SHOUTING FOR RELIEF MYSELF, THEN THE SAME FATE WAS FACED BY 20 KUMAO AND SO ON. AT LAST THEY DECIDED TO BY PASS AND REACHED WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF LOCS AT PIRGANJ WHETRE THE GOC ,205 BDE COMD WERE AMBUSHED---THIS ROAD FROM PLAS BARI TO BOGRA WAS LOOKED AFTER BY 32 BALUCH, AT BADURIA THERE WERE TWO COYS EX 13 FFF-MAJOR SABIR KAMAL(SHAHEED)EX-8 BALUCH MAJOR MUJTABA.I WILL DICUSS THE WHOLE BATTLE IN THE OTHER PAGE LATER----CAPT MIAN MUZAFFAR GUL PEACE/WARTIME ADJT--4 FF(BAWANJA)(talk) 14:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe the article may need to be rewritten. The following are the main objections : General tenor is unsuited to an encyclopedia. This article seems to significantly plagiarize and adapt the first person notes of retd col niazi. at http://defencejournal.com/oct99/battle-hilli.htm (which was cited). It suffers from factual inaccuracies (eg surrender on Dec 16 or 18?), a somewhat one sided report and hyperbolic tone, with a lack of clarity (Indian army objectives, battle of hilli, and battle of bogra vs series of battles, battle before official declaration)

i.e. merge and cite : http://defencejournal.com/oct99/battle-hilli.htm http://www.newagebd.com/2007/dec/16/victoryday07/v05.html

Plus official record of indian army at : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/History/1971War/PDF/1971Chapter12.pdf and

Specifically, the objectives, duration, and phases can be synced with the latter two sources. The context for the battles (Frontal assault, and direct engagement versus bypass and encircle, resistance from the pakistani army) and the deeds of valor from both sides can be brought out. The anecdotal information can remain in the citations, and

Barath s (talk) 07:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)Barath[reply]

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