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Affirming the consequent?[edit]

The article states: "Nazi Germany under economics minister Hjalmar Schacht claimed to strive for self-sufficiency but pursued major international trade, albeit under a different system, to escape the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, satisfy business elites and prepare for genocide."

Some historians (no references off-hand sorry) claim that the phrase "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" meant expulsion of all Jews from continental Europe until the early stages of the war; thus describing autarchic policies in the 1930s as preparation for genocide seems to presume/assume that they were *designed* for that outcome but only in retrospect [indeed a slight majority of German Jews emigrated between 1933 and 1939, this would also undercut the notion that genocide was planned from the beginning, after all, how are you going to kill people if you let them flee to other countries {which may or may not come under your control}?]).Historian932 (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah mentioning the word genocide here is misleading. Hjalmar Schacht was very much opposed to not only genocide, but any form of offensive war, which is what led to Hitler replacing him. 86.5.158.68 (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Autarky ???[edit]

I've noticed errors on this page several times over the years - fixed them a few times even.

Now the page is more convoluted and nonsense than it was previously. This is not the only page this is happening on - it appears to be a concerted effort to mislead.

Autarky failed in a pre-globalized world, very conclusively and could only do more harm in the world today.

This is not debatable. I will be redoing most of this page.

My apologies if I'm stepping on toes but I find this particular idea dangerous without context.

- Jakksen Notarky (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Of course you are wlecome to edit; however, please be careful about WP:VNT. You seem to have made some pretty strong claims - that Autarky has "very conclusively" failed - without resorting to any sort of scholarly consensus. I am not saying that such consensus does not exist, I am not well educated on this subject; but you need to bring reliable, non-fringe sources to the table if you're changing a Wikipedia article like this. Uness232 (talk) 14:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you the person who wrote sweeping generalisations such as "Economists are generally supportive of free trade." and cite only a former director of the World Bank to justify that claim? You couldn't find three organisations more dedicated to US hegemony than the World Bank, the IMF and the WTO.

it's a logical fallacy to say "this idea has always failed, therefore the idea is stupid". human powered flight failed for centuries before it became a reality. and who is measuring the failure, and were the causes of the failure endogenous and exogenous to autarky. A country like bhutan is an autarky. Cuba had had autarky forced on it with USA sanctions (and recriminations against other nations that don't mirror these sanctions).

Then we need to examine the phrase "free trade"… the word free is a misnomer and extremely ideologically. As prize winning economist https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Ha-Joon_Chang points out in https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Bad_Samaritans:_The_Myth_of_Free_Trade_and_the_Secret_History_of_Capitalism all wealthy nations have used trade barriers (and often colonialism) at one time or another to increase their domestic capacity to compete with important. I could go on and on, but your comments are extremely ideological and this page comes across as something published by the IMF or Radio USA propaganda. WideEyedPupil (talk) 12:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]