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Archimedes' Heat Ray[edit]

Although there's speculation on how this heat ray or rather destruction by fire worked, it can and did happen that ships were burned. It was stated by a non-friendly historian, and usually when history is written it's never written in favor of the loser but in favor of the victor, which then can only mean that Archimedes inventions did a whole lot more damage and that amongst these fire was used.

For as far as I can tell back in those days, there's two methods of delivering heat or fire at a distance where it could set ships ablaze, either direct fire delivery or heat projection by parabolic mirror. The man re-invented the lever and fulcrum up to a point that would easily have facilitated a crude trebuchet filled with an oil amphora set alight, for direct fire delivery.

I wrote this to consider, nothing else.

The burning glasses may have been crude magnifying lenses, which were never involved with warfare, but rather astronomy.

Also the Claw of Archimedes is a much similar design to a trebuchet, with re-arrangement of the pulley's and weights, both using a large arm to swing around an object and a heavy weight on the other.

Also, this very day there's a conjunction of 5 planets, which Archimedes may actually have spotted through his crude 'burning lenses', which is impossible with the mere naked eye. 5 planets. I tried yesterday to see them, not possible with naked eye which in turn measn he did use crude magnifying lenses, which are then the 'burning' lenses (convex, required to enlarge.)

I don't know if the above contributor added the lengthy sections about various "Mythbuster" attempts at re-creating the "heat ray". I have renamed the section to "Attempts at reconstruction" to "Attempts at heat ray reconstruction" because that dominates the section. It seems a bit out of place to include such lengthy descriptions of a TV show to dominate "Legacy", but I tried to work with it 'as is'. Mentions of "Mappae clavicula" and Latin poem "Carmen de ponderibus et mensuris" seem also very out of place in "Legacy", it should either be moved to "Writings" section, or elsewhere. After moving mentions of the Latin writings (that are questionably attributed?) I changed the heading of "Mathematics and physics" to "Praise in mathematics and physics", because, clearly, it is all quotations of praise, I'm not sure why it wasn't labelled as such from the start. Cuvtixo (talk) 15:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with everything you said regarding the "heat ray," which is mostly click bait. I also did minor changes to the other two references that were moved to the Apocryphal section. "Praise in the fields of mathematics and physics" seemed like a mouthful, so I reverted back to the other title for brevity. However, I think this could be an opportunity to reconsider the section; perhaps integrating the quotes into a more general assessment of Archimedes' legacy based on scholarship-- Guillermind81 (talk) 06:39, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Modern heat ray experiments[edit]

Re this edit: it is quite a lot of sourced material to remove in one go. Guillermind81 previously removed this in October 2022, so there is now only a very brief mention of modern recreations with no mentions of Sakkas etc. One way round this would be to create a separate article for Archimedes' heat ray where this could be looked at in more detail. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That will be my suggestion also--if people really feel the need to read about modern heat ray tests, they should go elsewhere. As Cuvtixo said previously, it seems a bit out of place to include such lengthy discussions on an allegedly feat of Archimedes that was not mentioned explicitly anywhere until the 6th century AD, that has the ring of myth rather than fact, and which otherwise distract from his actual achievements.--- Guillermind81 (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2023[edit]

Change "Archimedes was a Greek mathematician" to "Archimedes was a Greek-trained Sicilian mathematician" ... Michaelsgroi (talk) 15:31, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  •  Not done: Archimedes was ethnically Greek, and Sicily was a part of Magna Graecia at the time. Archimedes is usually described in reliable sources as an Ancient Greek mathematician.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]