Talk:Anglican Communion

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Suspension of the Episcopal Church?[edit]

Just a question: Should the recent "suspension" of the Episcopal Church in the United States be a section on this article under the topic controversies? JustTryintobeJust (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archbishop Justin Welby clarified that the Episcopal Church is not suspended because the Primates' Meeting has no legal power to do that. "the Primates' meeting has no legal authority over Provinces."[1] SeminarianJohn (talk) 08:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)SeminarianJohnReply[reply]

It seems like it's still a controversy, no? afuller2028 (talk) 23:12, 28 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Archbishop Welby briefs ACC members..." anglicannews.org. Anglican News. Retrieved April 28, 2016.

Error?[edit]

"Each independent church has its own doctrine and liturgy, aligned in most cases on that of the Church of England; and each church has its own legislative process and overall episcopal polity, under the leadership of a local primate."

This is what the clergy-members of, for example, the Anglican Church of Canada, who have been to grad school say, but that does not make it true. If one looks at the diocesan and provincial constitutions of the Anglican Church in Canada, one tends to find that the defining factor of the parish/diocese is that it be in communion with the See of Canterbury. The idea that these are "independent" churches is mostly something cooked up due to, in my view, Episcopalian influence, as though every particular/national church in the communion were basically as independent as the traitorous episcopalians who rebelled against God's anointed sovereign all those years ago. MDiv. degrees tend to only go to _very_ ignorant socialist types in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7A31:4B00:905E:78F4:81E9:C28E (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anglican Church in North America[edit]

I have reincluded the Anglican Church in North America. There is a dispute in the Anglican Communion about whether the ACNA is a province or not, with some primates giving recognition and others not. There also exists conflicting evidence of recognition from the Archbishop of Canterbury. Because the issue at hand is not a simple yes-or-no, and largely depends on which faction in the Anglican Communion one belongs to, I believe that the best way to give accurate information is to include it as a province, with a note on the dispute that includes citations. This seems more accurate than simply not including it on the page whatsoever. Similar to the recognition of countries as sovereign states, where not all UN member states give recognition, I believe this is the best approach for a listing of provinces within the Anglican Communion. See List of states with limited recognition. Afuller2028 (talk) 21:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No.
The ACNA is not a province of the Anglican Communion. First and foremost, including the ACNA on the list of provinces here contradicts what is stated on the ACNA article: "Unlike the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada, the ACNA is not a member province of the Anglican Communion." along with four different citations to independent sources supporting that fact. One of those sources is the Anglican Communion's website itself listing the thirty-nine provinces of the Anglican Communion—and the ACNA is not listed as one of those thirty-nine provinces. In addition, as recent as September, the secretary general of the Anglican Communion has stated in no uncertain terms that the ACNA is not a province.
This actually is a very simple yes-or-no. — D. Wo. 17:24, 30 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All due respect, but quite frankly, I'm simply trying to display the most accurate information as possible on this page. Here are the facts as best as I can sort them out:
Therefore, I simply disagree with your premise because of a number of factors:
  1. The Anglican Global South, a grouping of 25 of the 39 provinces, has recognized the ACNA as a province of the Anglican Communion;
  2. The ACNA's primate, Archbishop Foley Beach, was enthroned by seven Anglican archbishops, who afterwards recognized him as a fellow primate and archbishop of the Anglican Communion;
  3. During a meeting of the Anglican Primates of the Global South, a coalition representing the majority of the world's Anglicans, from October 14–16, 2015 in Cairo, Egypt, Beach was seated as a member of the Global South Primates Council with voice and vote;
  4. Beach was invited by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, to the Anglican Communion primates' gathering that took place on January 11–15, 2016;
  5. During the same primates' gathering, the primates decided that in response to the "distance" caused by what it called "unilateral action on matters of doctrine without Catholic unity", "for a period of three years, The Episcopal Church [would neither] represent [the Communion] on ecumenical and interfaith bodies… [nor] take part in decision making on any issues pertaining to doctrine or polity";
  6. Many of the provinces of the Anglican Communion have declared that they are no longer in communion or relationship with The Episcopal Church, nor the Anglican Church in Canada;
  7. The Archbishops of Canterbury and York, Justin Welby and John Sentamu, recognized ACNA's religious orders under the Overseas and Other Clergy (Ministry and Ordination) Measure 1967, as it was announced on 10 February 2017. This indicates at the very least a recognition of the ACNA's validity by the Archbishop of Canterbury, a prerequisite to be included on this list.
Due to these, I believe that my proposed edit is the most neutral and accurate to this page. It is not a simple yes-or-no. I propose including the Anglican Church in North America as a province with a note regarding the dispute and conflict; I also propose that this clarification is edited on other pages regarding the Anglican Communion and the ACNA. Similar to many secular nation-states that are not unanimously recognized by other nation-states, we give accurate information by including them as nation-states, but note the disputed recognition. This also seems to be the most judicial and diplomatic way to proceed. — Afuller2028 (talk) 21:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References[edit]

Butler, Diana Hochstedt (1995). Standing Against the Whirlwind: Evangelical Episcopalians in Nineteenth-Century America. Religion in America. New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-508542-6.
Piepkorn, Arthur Carl (1977). Profiles in Belief: The Religious Bodies of the United States and Canada. New York: Harper & Row. ISBN 978-0-06-066580-7.

References

  1. ^ Piepkorn 1977, p. 199.
  2. ^ Butler 1995.
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  4. ^ Theological Statement and Articles of the Common Cause Partnership[dead link]. Revised March 28, 2007. Accessed April 15, 2010.
  5. ^ "Episcopal Diocese of Quincy seeks alternative oversight". Episcopalchurch.org. September 19, 2006. Archived from the original on November 12, 2008. Retrieved 2008-11-16.
  6. ^ Virtue, David (2007-09-29). "Pittsburgh: List of attendees at Common Cause Announcement of new Ecclesiastical Structure". virtueonline.org.
  7. ^ Schjonberg, Mary Frances (2007-09-28). "Common Cause Bishops Pledge to Seek Anglican Recognition". Episcopal News Service. Archived from the original on October 11, 2007.
  8. ^ "Anglican Bishops Take First Steps to New Structure". Common Cause Partnership. 2007-09-28. Archived from the original on 2008-02-25. Retrieved 2009-04-18.
  9. ^ Banerjee, Neela (2007-09-30). "Groups Plan New Branch to Represent Anglicanism". The New York Times. Retrieved April 25, 2010.
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  13. ^ Anglican Church in North America (2009), Constitution and Canons Archived January 3, 2011, at the Wayback Machine, Article III, p. 3.
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  17. ^ Rodgers, Ann (June 23, 2009), "Archbishop Duncan shepherds Episcopal spinoff", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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  19. ^ "About Us". Reformed Communion. Archived from the original on 5 October 2015. Retrieved 5 October 2015.
  20. ^ "GAFCON Communiqué issued — ACNA recognized". GAFCON / Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans.
  21. ^ "Global South Encounter — Fourth Trumpet". Global South Encounter.
  22. ^ General Synod - Summary of Business Conducted on Wednesday 10th February 2010, accessed 21 January 2012.
  23. ^ Mackay, Maria (February 10, 2010), "Church of England Recognises Breakaway US Anglicans", Christian Today, archived from the original on 13 February 2010, retrieved 2010-02-10
  24. ^ The Church of England and the Anglican Church in North America, report of the Archbishops of Canterbury and York to the General Synod of the Church of England, December 2011, accessed 21 January 2012.
  25. ^ "The Anglican Planet - International News - CofE report generally open to new Anglican Church". anglicanplanet.net. Retrieved 5 October 2015.
  26. ^ "Diocese of NW Australia recognises ACNA as "a member church of the Anglican Communion"". Anglican Church League, Sydney, Australia. 5 October 2014. Retrieved 5 October 2015.
  27. ^ "Anglican Church in North America". anglicanchurch.net. Retrieved 5 October 2015.
  28. ^ "Global South Anglican". globalsouthanglican.org. Retrieved 5 October 2015.
  29. ^ "Anglican Church in North America Declared Partner Province by the Global South". Anglican Church in North America. Anglican Church in North America. Retrieved 16 October 2015.
  30. ^ a b "Communiqué from the Primates' Meeting 2016". Anglican Communion News Service. London: Anglican Communion Office. January 15, 2016. Retrieved January 21, 2016.
  31. ^ a b "Anglican Journal vol. 142 no. 1 january 2016" (PDF). Anglican Journal. Toronto: Anglican Church in Canada. January 20, 2016. Retrieved January 21, 2016.
  32. ^ "Statement on votes given to Primates at the meeting in Canterbury". Primates 2016. Anglican Communion Office. January 17, 2016. Retrieved January 20, 2016.
  33. ^ "Statement from Primates 2016".
  34. ^ Free Church of England Celebrates 90 Years of Unity, Free Church of England Official Website
  35. ^ ACNA orders valid state Archbishops of Canterbury and York, Anglican Ink, 10 February 2017
  36. ^ "Concordat of communion between the ACNA and Church of Bangladesh". Anglican Ink 2017 ©. 2017-05-18. Retrieved 2017-05-20.
  37. ^ Missionary Bishop introduced by Archbishop Foley Beach, GAFCON Official Website, 8 June 2017
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  39. ^ The consecration of a Missionary Bishop for Europe, GAFCON Official Website, 1 July 2017
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  41. ^ "Global South Anglican - A Statement from the Global South Primates Regarding the Anglican Church in North America". www.globalsouthanglican.org. Retrieved 2017-12-14.

Origins of Scottish Episcopal Church[edit]

This article should make it clearer that the Scottish Episcopal Church is not an offshoot of the Church of England. Also after the USA's separatist rebellion was successful, the English church cut off the Episcopal Church there and it was through the efforts of Scottish Episcopalians that it got back on its feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.162.96 (talk) 20:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Map ??[edit]

I find the map puzzling. What are "autonomous churches" in distinction to the other provinces?? I do not find that in the article. Is it supposed to mean something like "national provinces" differentiated from "supernational" ones? Kipala (talk) 06:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]