Talk:Anarchy

Unjustified

I see that the word "unjustified" has been appearing in several places recently but where it is not appearing is in the references given. Would anyone like to explain this? Carptrash (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Anarchists seek the establishment of what they see as unjustified Hierarchy, (I am personally an Anarchist) keyword "unjustified", as an example Anarchists see apprenticeship of becoming a Black smith, as justified hierarchy. As the system could not operate without the system of apprenticeship and the apprentice would most not only completely fail at being a Black Smith they would also likely hurt themselves trying to figure it out. A form of Unjustified hierarchy according to Anarchists would be as an example Representative Government, as there is an unnecessary hierarchy as the the representative can not only trick voters, or get in power through non-democratic means but holds more powers then the actual voters, thusly Anarchists seek to abolish those hierarchies. It could be stated that what Anarchists see as unjustified is justified, I disagree but that's simply what Anarchists seek to achieve, and that's why there is "justified" and "non-justified". Vallee01 (talk) 22:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

"unjustified hierarchy" comes from the entryist Chomsky. In pretty much every accepted Anarchist theory, we are talking about all hierarchy. Hierarchy means that you use your power to make others do something they don't want. Therefore the wording "unjustified hierarchy" just sounds like an authoritarian saying that there is some justified hierarchy and therefore it's not anarchism. By the way - expertise on its own does not need to be hierarchy. Anarchism abolishes intellectual property so expertise will usually die out as being a kind of elitist thing DefendingFree (talk) 11:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

CHAZ - Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone no longer exists

It was only active for about 24 days in 2020. Source: https://www.city-journal.org/end-of-chaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.116.160 (talk) 18:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close. This is, or should be, a merge request, not an RM, so I’m closing it accordingly. It’s clearly a controversial merge so please see WP:MERGEPROP on how to properly propose such a merge. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 16:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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Anarchy → Anarchism – These describe the exact same thing Hyperwave11 (talk) 06:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

• I am not sure. There are reasons for and against. For is the great deal of overlapping (See WP:MERGE#2 ). Against is the size of the resulting article. (See WP:NOTMERGE) I also think that while related, anarchism is distinct from anarchy (anarchism is a movement, anarchy is a state of things), and merging them will add to blurring the line between the two meanings. I will wait to see more opinions though.Cinadon36 07:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

• Make the dab page the primary topic. This has come up a few times (see the talk page history—2014, 2017) and I've expected it to come up again. (But a note on procedure, this is a merge request, not a requested move. Surely no one is proposing overwriting the existing anarchism article...) As scoped, anarchy is little more than a dictionary definition, linking summarizing a bunch of existing articles on anarchism and stateless societies. The thing is we already have a place that handles the various meanings of "anarchy": a dab page, anarchy (disambiguation). If that page becomes the primary topic (e.g., anarchy (disambiguation) moves to just "anarchy") then we will have covered the intent of this topic better than the article currently does. czar 08:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. Could you please explain it more specifically, since I don't regard these two articles as the same thing? In my opinion, the anarchism article focuses more on the ideology or ideological things while the anarchy article does not.--ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 08:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
• Keep as is - they describe two different things. The Anarchy article talks mainly about a society without authorities or a governing body, which can be a result of a failed state or an apocalypse, and not necessarily because of the actions of a conscious anarchist movement. In other words, there is a difference between an anarchic and anarchistic society. BeŻet (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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