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This page says that there were 8 cutters and 7 schooners in the first America's cup, but on the document about the first America's cup it says that there were 8 cutters and 9 schooners in the race. Can someone please clarify this?
Thanks, Kaizo block (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On page 222 it says "It was in this race, sailed on the 23rd August, 1851, that the America established her prodigious reputation, and the cup which she bore away as the result of her victory is the famous trophy known in England as the America Cup, in America, for some strange reason, as the Queen's Cup, which has been the exciting cause of so many famous matches in later times in America."
Then on page 226 there is a statement that cup's actual name is the Royal Squadron Cup.
This book also goes on about all the Queen's Cup races held annually from 1838 (the first), and every year to 1862, in 1863 it was withdrawn due to the death of Albert, and then it resumed the following year and so on... to at least 1900. Think this means a re-write required here? Broichmore (talk) 12:09, 27 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the 19th century, the trophy was kept by the winners. So the event "Queen's Cup" / "Royal Squadron Cup" had many trophies. The particular trophy of 1851 is a 100-sovereign silver ewar, that was won by America. That 1851 cup is called the 100 Guinea(/Sovereign/Pound) Cup, RYS Cup, Auld Mug, and America's Cup. The 1863 cup is a different one, since the Americans kept the 1851 Cup in New York City. And the 1851 cup was sculpted in 1848, so cannot be the trophy from 1838. You should write an article on the Queen's Cup / Royal Squadron Cup, where it can mention the 1853 trophy becoming the America's Cup. If you can find information on the other trophies that would be good for that article. Mention in this article that the particular trophy given in 1851 was part of a series of trophies for that Royal Squadron Cup could be done. Though bear in mind that there were other races at the 1851 regatta. There is likely a different 1851 Queen's Cup at that regatta that was won on a different day in a different race. -- 70.51.203.56 (talk) 04:38, 28 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Typically a patron donated one trophy for one race per year. the August 22nd Trophy was one of three identical trophies donated to the RYS by First Marquess of Anglesey, one of the patrons of the RYS. The same trophy was offered by the NYYC in 1870 for the New York Harbour regatta was incidentally described by media as the Queen's Cup, so you will face significant disambiguation in the header of this article anyhow. I may title the new article "The King's Cup" because they were significant events donated by King George V for the Big Class renewal of the 1920s. signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 12:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As we have a Super Bowl article and a separate Vince Lombardi Trophy article, I think we should have a separate article for the Auld Mug, from the competition for it. Several other sports series have such separation, and the history of the trophy would be better served separated as a subarticle, just as each regatta is supposed to have a subarticle. We can examine the life of the trophy, where it has been housed, the treatment of the trophy, damage, restorations, duplications. -- 65.94.42.219 (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t understand how Conner’s win-loss record is given as 13-5 when he lost 4 races in 1983 and 5 in 1995. Shouldn’t it be 13-9? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.236.247 (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
