Talk:Alien (film)

GA reassessment

Alien (film)

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Result: Delisted Multiple citation needed tags still present. A bit of a shame as these could have been fixed relatively easily. Still it has been open for three months now and more than enough time has passed Aircorn (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

2008 promotion that has seen better days. Although many parts are exquisitely detailed, there are dozens of citation needed tags (including one in the lead) that need to be addressed. I recently made some edits myself regarding extra references in the lead and infobox, but I can't assist anywhere else. I feel the dozens of tags are sufficient enough to nominate for reassessment. – zmbro _(talk) 19:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Now there are 14. I am not going to work on this article myself but am curious to know whether if all the remaining uncited sentences were removed it would still rate as "good"?Chidgk1 (talk) 18:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

• Are you ready to close this zmbro Aircorn (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• Aircorn Yep go ahead. – zmbro _(talk) 18:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
• Ah I thought it was an individual reassessment. I can close this then. Aircorn (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the working title of Alien was Star Beast? Source:
  • ALT1: ... that Alien was made into a high school play by students at North Bergen High School? Source:
  • ALT2: ... that Alien has been called a "rape movie with male victims"? Source:
  • ALT3: ... that while filming the 'chestburster scene' in Alien one actor found it so shocking they fell over and went into hysterics? Source:
  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Lankyant (talk). Self-nominated at 11:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC).

• Promoted to GA status on 9/2. Long enough and appears policy compliant. My attempt to run an Earwig check was unsuccessful (the results would not load) but my spot-checking didn't detect anything nefarious. (If someone else can get earwig to run, that would be great.) The proposed hooks are interesting/hooky and are short enough. Certain of the sources are books that are not available for my online verification, but they are accepted in good faith. This is the nominator's second DYK and so no QPQ is required. Cbl62 (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Earwig flags a potential violation, but they're all direct quotes and presented as such within the article. CSJJ104 (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

References

Feminism

Before I try and take this article to Featured I think that it definitely needs a section around feminism and feminist interpretations of the film. It is majorly important in feminist cinema studies and it's weird it hasnt been raised before. Unfortunately, I don't have access to all the sources I like but want to build a little list of places to go if you wanted to create the section. (Thanks to User:Kaldari for raising this and suggesting the first two.) Feel free to create this section of add to this list.

Books:

• Alien Woman: The Making of Lt. Ellen Ripley (especially the introduction and first chapter)
• Alien Zone: Cultural Theory and Contemporary Science Fiction Cinema (especially the chapters "Feminism and Anxiety in Alien" and "Feminism, Humanism, and Science in Alien").
• Alien Constructions : Science Fiction and Feminist Thought
• Blood Relations: Feminist Theory Meets the Uncanny Alien Bug Mother

Articles:

• Here's Why the Alien Movies Are Renowned by Feminist Film Theorists
• The first action heroine
• 'Alien' Is Sci-Fi Horror's Most Feminist Movie Franchise

Lankyant (talk) 00:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd be in favor of that, but my recollection is that Aliens is the film that really became a feminist touchstone. The first film, while featuring Ripley as a strong survivor and a high-ranking crew member of responsibility, also suffers to some degree from the horror-film "last girl standing" trope. MFNickster (talk) 16:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Physic

What is chemical thermodWhat is chemical thermodynamics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.57.95.21 (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

This looks like something that belongs in the science reference desk, IP with only one contribution! Someone-123-321 (talk) 14:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Why not just read the article on Thermodynamics, it'll be more than enough. It applies to everything that exists. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add the YEAR that these movies exist in.

" In 2202 the crew arrives......etc etc" . Why non of the Aliens wiki entrys never add the date? 2600:4040:5C5B:E600:A82D:BF89:4333:C8B4 (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

We don't because the movies never state these years and there have been multiple versions of the years in various other media since. Ultimately the articles are about the movies, and the movies were not, at the time, set in a particular year and it's never mentioned. As a result we can't mention it. Canterbury Tail talk 11:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Ethnicity of Characters

Is it important to call out the ethnicity of some of the characters in the cast section? What makes it particularly odd is that, unless I missed it while reading the article, only two actors of African diaspora or African-American descent are called out while others are not mentioned. I’m removing those lines. If anyone has any input or objections, please raise here. Stephenamills (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe the "Kotto, an African American, was chosen partly to add diversity to the cast and give the Nostromo crew an international flavor.[12]" should be readded as it was a sourced reason to cast him Lankyant (talk) 22:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Lankyant. One of the things in the sentence that that seems like a bit of an out-of-place mention is the word ‘international’. Though I understand the director is British, aside from that isn’t really anything else that makes the film specifically international or non-American (which I believe is what that sentence may be trying to say – I believe it’s saying the film is comprised of an international cast and that Kotto is one of those members). But it seems a bit out of place because the film is/was distributed by 20th Century Fox and it premiered in the United States so it’s already a joint American project in that sense.

It just seems a bit odd to use that phrasing with the word ‘international’ perhaps because to the layperson or other reader, it looks like it is calling the African-American cast member ‘international’ while the other characters are not labeled as such, for a project that is already distributed (or created) jointly with an American company or companies. Also to use the phrasing saying that Kotto was chosen partly to add diversity to the cast implies that he wasn’t chosen for ability and was instead singled out as Black to make the casting not seem suspiciously discriminatory. There’s probably some better phrasing that could be added that still acknowledges the cast diversity aspect but without making it seems like they added a Black character as a token Black person or as an insurance policy to avoid being criticized for discriminatory casting. Stephenamills (talk) 03:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)