Talk:African Americans

African American vs Black American redux

I think I may make a move request or an RfC. See for instance [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/not-all-black-people-are-african-american-what-is-the-difference/] Not every black US citizen identifies as being African, obviously including those from the Caribbean, etc. Doug Weller talk 10:32, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2023

The first Africans to arrive in the United States were 20 Angolans kidnapped by the Portuguese. Add this information to the beginning of the history section.

https://www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/first-african-slave-ship-arrives-jamestown-colony 213.252.245.168 (talk) 08:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Not done: When creating edit requests you are required to present what you want a reviewing editor to do specifically. That is to say, you should phrase your request to sound something like "Please change X to Y" or "Please remove/add Y" with X and Y being quoted prose. If adding content, you must also specify where specifically in the article you wish to insert it. —Sirdog (talk) 04:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023

Add Racism against African Americans to see also section. 76.174.235.156 (talk) 12:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done I added the link to the lead section. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023 (2)

Change “On average, African Americans are of West/Central African with some European descent; some also have Native American and other ancestry” to “ The average African-American genome is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American”

Source: https://www.science.org/content/article/genetic-study-reveals-surprising-ancestry-many-americans

Reasoning: “Some” European and “some” Native American ancestry is too colloquial, whereas hard data gives a more accurate picture. 24% European ancestry is not represented well and is trivialized by the word “some.” 2600:6C44:117F:E000:201E:E70B:93BD:37C8 (talk) 15:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: As similar studies are cited in the article, a change to the lead would require consensus. Please establish one for this alteration before using the Edit semi-protected template. M.Bitton (talk) 22:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I did not properly explain and cite. Those other studies which show different results are actually older, less up to date studies also conducted by Bryc et al.

Bryce et al published a more comprehensive and up to date report of their research in 2015, which uses the statistics I provided: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#!po=35.6000

Since Bryce et al were the source of those prior statistics, as found in the Genetics section of this Wikipedia article, their latest research should supersede their out of date research. Their updated findings are the result of the latest science and access to more data. Other statistics provided by other studies by different authors cited in the Wikipedia article are only concerned with regional demographic information, not broad breakdowns of the genome.

So since change to the lead would require consensus regarding broad breakdown of the genome, and that the only statistics in that regard already cited in the Wikipedia is article were those of Bryc et al, with no counter statistics provided by other authors/studies, I move to use the most up to date numbers by Bryc at al. Their report details how the numbers they’ve provided represent the consensus based upon data across available sources. 2600:6C44:117F:E000:93A:6B1:9B9A:89DB (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: It appears that the numbers you provided are already included in the section on Genetics. Still, changing the lead requires consensus; not because the numbers themselves are controversial (I agree with your line of reasoning that up to date is better), but because it's a substantial change to the way the data is presented.

I think the wording in the Genetics section is somewhat nicer than what you originally proposed, so I would be in favour of replacing the sentence in question with "On average, African Americans have 73.2–82.1% West African, 16.7%–24% European, and 0.8–1.2% Native American genetic ancestry, with large variation between individuals". Still, since this would be a change in the lead of an important article, I'd like to get input from some other editors before this change is implemented.

Closed the request pending consensus. Feel free to ping me when there has been some kind of input from other editors. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

2% Muslims ?

Need source 2A02:C7C:507D:0:B820:F737:4D69:D842 (talk) 20:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)