Talk:Ada Lovelace

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Not the first programmer[edit]

There is new research that settles the debate regarding who was the first programmer. [dead link]I'm going to rewrite the part of the article that deals with claiming she is the first programmer but I'm open to a discussion about it, as I'm doing this in good faith. Basically, from Swade's work: Babbage wrote 24 programs for his Analytical Engine 6-7 years before Lovelace wrote anything for it. See the link. IndyCar1020 (talk) 10:37, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Accepted this was good faith, but it's a major change. Significant upending of a central part of Lovelace's fame will require stronger evidence than the preview described, and consensus among interested parties. Conan The Librarian (talk) 01:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree. Result will have to be accepted by mainstream sources before being included here. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Why does this require stronger evidence? This is new evidence that shows 24 programs were written years before Lovelace's work. Just because many people traditionally believed this was the first programmer doesn't make it so, that would be just a variant of ad populum. IndyCar1020 (talk) 01:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:Verifiability not truth, and the source proffered is a dead-link blog. Wait until the scholars have assessed this claim. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
The person claiming it is Doron Swade, not just "some blog" (and the link works fine, btw). He is a leading authority on Babbage's life and works (if not THE leading authority), and presented this in the University of Oxford during a symposium for Babbage's 200th birthday.
It is also easily verifiable that Babbage wrote several programs: .
And this began in 1836, 4 years before he presented his works in Italy and Menabrea took the notes he gave to Lovelace to translate, and 6 years before she wrote her own programs.
Even the original notes that Menabrea took in Turin in 1840 ( state that Babbage brought punched cards that represented variables and operations (some of which were FOR, WHILE and IF, as explained here ), and could be used in a sequence of functions that are actually what we would call algorithms to form what he calls "laws", but are what we call programs.
And even what Menabrea writes there in the notes translated by Lovelace are programs, in the very same notation of columns she then uses in the appendixes.
The amount of evidence of programs for Babbage's machine is abundant and published in very reputable sources like IEEE's journal and by reputed scholars from univeristies like Freie Universität Berlin and Oxford. I think that is verifiable enough and assesed enough by scholars. (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2023[edit]

Add permalink to Charles Babbage. Pmuntima (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Already done Already linked in the first sentence of the article. Cannolis (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]